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(2.1) Vehicle Deathmatch (also known as VDM) - Using any vehicle as a weapon (e.g running people over, causing explosions including while sling loading, ramming, etc), will result in you receiving a ban. Three vehicles are excluded from this, MRAPS (Ifrits, Hunters and Striders) can ram other MRAPS in order to disable them, yet not to kill the passengers. This is allowed as these vehicles are the only vehicles ingame that can withstand being rammed. Please note that you need to initiate roleplay before attempting to ram an MRAP. (Please note - MRAPS don't need to be initiated on in the redzone) This is to prevent random ramming on site. (Three minutes of chasing also constitutes initiation of MRAP and MRAP ramming).
This small section of the rule as been used, wrongly, to justify an initiation by chasing someone for three minutes. I don’t think needs to change but is interesting how some players just misused it.
You need to initiate roleplay at which point an MRAP may ram their target MRAP. This is as intended. After 3 minutes of chasing MRAP on MRAP
ONLY, you may then begin ramming. Though I see your point about the use of the word chasing, it
ONLY applies in this case due to the nature of the vehicle, if anything the word chasing could be switched for the word following and it would be more consistent and inkeeping. Outside of this rule chasing would be considered after roleplay has taken place.
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(7.1.5) Police Sirens - When the Police put on their sirens lights to pull you over to attend to a scene this does not mean RP has been initiated on their point, if you shoot without engaging in RP then this is classed as RDM.
Just curious that even sirens lights from police “do not mean RP has been initiated on their point”. It’s clear that all roleplay initiations must be two sided, voice-initiated. If someone has the intent to rob and has solely initiated a chase after a player, how do you know if RP has been initiated for the player in the ground? Should they just assume or wonder? If so, can we now also assume that i’m going to immediately shoot at them if they land near me? I mean, i have my weapon out, pointing at them, they need to just “know”.
Police following you with sirens on does not mean RP has been initiated therefore shooting them without engaging in quality RP is considered RDM under 2.2. This is to prevent any issue where players believe they have the right to shoot the police because lights and sirens had been activated or police turned up to a situation or attempted to pull a vehicle over. Unsure as to why you went off on a tangent with robbery as we are specifically referring to police sirens.
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(2.6) Combat storing, such as storing a vehicle whilst you are being chased or to prevent roleplay will result in a ban
Combate storing is not the same as to go into a greenzone without any ongoing RP. To define “being chase” should mean that there is an active roleplay, that led to chase. It doesn’t mean chasing by itself to be roleplay. And if you go into a greenzone, it does not mean you have avoided roleplay as roleplay can still happen in greenzones and, of course, how do you know you have prevented roleplay if no one has initiated on you with voice? As far as you know, you are just “living your Altis life”.
Roleplay must be engaged between both parties before the chase is considered ongoing, simply following a vehicle without any form of interaction outside of the specific MRAP example is not considered "being chased" and as such you may make your way to a greenzone, however if an interaction is made, you may run foul of either:
(2.6) Combat storing, such as storing a vehicle whilst you are being chased or to prevent roleplay will result in a ban.
(6.1.6) You must not exploit the green zone to avoid ongoing hostile roleplay. Retreating into a green zone is forbidden.
I'll cover the following below:
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(2.7) Trolling - The following examples are considered trolling however there are multiple others so we advise common sense. Running around the police/medics/anyone, throwing yourself in front of vehicles, playing music in any chat or on teamspeak, bombarding the messaging system, buying multiple vehicles to block spawn areas or using them to blow things up, jumping off buildings without RP,spamming the vote admin or vote kick system, talking/playing music in the lobby screen, playing soundboards/voice changers ingame and open TS channels (Punishment is a ban, or permanent ban depending on the severity).
This one is quite interesting to me. That is, if chasing by itself is considered an initiation, can a player block other player with a chopper from going into greezones? He can simply block by continuously following another player, without ever landing. When does it end? When the player is out of fuel? How long will it take? Will the player be forced to initiate the chopper by firing tracers? What if they don’t have tracers? Again, if chasing is considered a initiation, we are free to exploit and troll any player, wasting their time in the server without ever wanting to actually roleplay.
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(3.7) Baiting - Baiting for the sake of a gunfight is not roleplay. Punishment is a ban. Examples: Flying over someone with a chopper waiting for warning shots to instantly shoot them back, robbing a service station with the intent of a gunfight, etc
This reports exactly what i just said. If chasing is considered a initiation, chasing over someone to force a player into a robbery/gunfight, using vehicles to exploit and bait RP, shouldn’t it also be punished?
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(6.1.6) You must not exploit the green zone to avoid ongoing hostile roleplay. Retreating into a green zone is forbidden.
This rule is clearly the most used for this issue. But again, it says “ to avoid ongoing hostile roleplay”. If chasing in considered an initiation, then yes, if someone is chasing you, means there is an oingoing roleplay. Still, how do you know it’s hostile? If a chopper is following you and you go into a greenzone, how do you know it’s hostile? That would be just arbitrary.
(1.7) As a roleplay game every situation is different and not everything can be detailed within these rules and so it is important to remember this is an adult community and some things simply come down to common sense. Things like the following; do not swear at people (out of roleplay), troll people, or bully people otherwise you will simply be banned from our servers.
This is likely the most important rule regarding this issue. I love this server because rules allow prediction and fairness to all players. Having roleplay at the highest standards is crucial for the continuation of our community. There should not be rules for everything and anything but certainly, is important to create and build rules that create a common sense in the server. For example, you know that if you want to help a teammate being robbed, he as to initiate for you, at least. You know that if you want someone to put his weapon out, you must actually tell me him that he needs to do it and what are the consequences. There is a logic path to all roleplay. That is why i believe giving the ability of initiate using a movement and a vehicle ( flying a chopper/ driving a car) is not properly representative of that common sense. The reason i called it loophole is that it’s comprension by both players and apparently staff, is not that common sense, as it shouldn’t be. And it does not follow the said “logical path” used in the remaining roleplay dynamics.
I am unsure as to what you mean here, however I believe the gist of it comes from the last few sentences:
That is why i believe giving the ability of initiate using a movement and a vehicle ( flying a chopper/ driving a car) is not properly representative of that common sense. The reason i called it loophole is that it’s comprension by both players and apparently staff, is not that common sense, as it shouldn’t be. And it does not follow the said “logical path” used in the remaining roleplay dynamics.
We do not allow "Initiation" from vehicle to vehicle, nor does following someone without engaging in high quality roleplay constitute "chasing" or "ongoing hostile roleplay" negating what I believe to be the crux of this issue as with some of the rules above you have listed. As I have already mentioned there is a specific example in the VDM rule with special dispensation to MRAPs but that does not apply universally, outside that specific example, high quality roleplay always takes precedent.
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(1.8) Forcing or encouraging another member of the community to break a rule is punishable by a ban.
I help a lot of new players in the island and what i have found ( and even seen) is that the most experienced players, exploit this loophole in the rules to their advantage, blaming other players for breaking ghost-rules and demanding compensations. As such, this also affects the well-being of the community.
This rule prevents me telling new person to take this gun and go and spray as many people as they can in Kavala, or telling someone to say something racist or derogatory in order to join my gang. If you have any evidence of more experienced players coercing newer players by inventing rules and demanding comp, I'd suggest you ask a staff member to mediate discussions.
Rotary blocking when no RP has been initiated, is wrong. It's rather different to be in an ongoing RP situation and blocking someone's chopper ( i get that. That's what usually happens with police). Now just flying around, finding a unknown chopper and do a rotary block for the sake of RP initiation, that breaks the rule 3.7 ( Baiting RP).
This is also incorrect, there is no rule that prevents you from stopping a helicopter from taking off, nor is it baiting, however if you do "Rotor tap" ie use your helicopter to damage the other helicopter it is considered VDM and IS bannable.
No roleplay should be done before an initiation. If you read the rule 7.1.6, it specifically says spike trips can't be used without any form of roleplay ( that is, roleplay which has been initiated). Police can't simply place spike trips in a road to block a random player. Still, the police-to-rebel dynamics are farly different than rebel-to-rebel, as they should be.
(7.1.6) Spike strips - Use of spike strips doesn't constitute any form of roleplay. Failure to engage in quality roleplay is classed as RDM.
As Simon has already explained this rule does not require you to give roleplay in order to use a spikestrip, it is mainly for the purpose of those that are spike stripped to inform them that being spike stripped does not allow them to get out of their vehicle and start shooting, otherwise covered by the RDM rule.
