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IPCC - Cops

William Antrim

William Antrim

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I understand there is a really great system on Altis where you have an Independent Police Complains Commission (IPCC). I have seen some evidence of it on here also. I think this is a great thing which could probably help the FiveM server to flourish also. 

I am fully aware that such a system is able to be weaponised in the wrong hands but I trust that those in charge of it are also aware of this and able to see through such abuses. I would like to ask if there is one on FiveM currently and if so then how do we use it? Also on the flip side can we use it for GOOD interactions? Ive had some mixed reactions from police on the server so far. A couple were absolutely brilliant and I would love to be able to thank them (OOC) but others were less than stellar and created an impression of a "gang in uniform". Please dont get me wrong I understand from first hand experience that trying to RP an LEO is one of the hardest things to do in RP because so many people just think you are there purely to be baited/shot at/be logged in just so that they can rob banks with impunity. I also get that this is a crime RP simulation and so a happy productive police force is probably one of the single most valuable faction in the whole game. If you have no cops then the cops and robbers vibe falls on its arse. 

If there is a function/mechanic/reporting system in place to be able to praise the good ones and educate the less good ones then please can it be added to the Wiki/or some other reporting function that all of us can see and use and then we can take pride in our PD and their attempts to make the city a much better experience. 

Is it also possible that we could see (the civilian population) some generic do's and dont's when interacting with PD to make our lives much easier? I dont mean like the whole police handbook as thats metagaming but if there are some basic rules - such as the highway code being one for traffic rules, perhaps there are behavioural procedures that PD need to follow, such as they HAVE to give their name when approaching a situation or their badge number and be CLEARLY identified by the civilian (we arent criminals until we have been convicted) when engaging in an interaction. I have had scenarios where PD have basically refused to be identified and this just kills the mood for me basically. It may go some way towards creating a more honest and respectable RP for most people to engage with the PD in. After all, we are innocent until proven guilty. 🙂 

To end on a positive note, I would like to say thank you personally to all of the current serving PD, I know at times it can be one of the most frustrating jobs on the server but without you guys it would devolve into anarchy so thank you for keeping us safe. 

 
We do not have an independent PCC on Altis, all complains are handled in house and that has been the reason for multiple complaints over the years as there always seems to be a level of bias.

But for fivem, I'd love for there to be an actual IPCC run by unbiased people. It'd be great for RP.

 
Ok well either way, it would be good if the person(s) could be of some sort of unbiased persuasion as it would help all parties involved. If it helped to raise the quality of the good interactions then this is only a benefit. I wrote IPCC as thats how it is RL, I assumed it was a copy on altis but I mean thats a finer detail that could be ironed out in time if the idea is at least supported. 

 
Complaints could be dealt with by a mix of City Council and popo command.

Popo command censors critical information and with the Council a suitable punishment is decided upon. Ingame as much as posibble.

 
This is something I remember disucssing with some of Altis Police Command whilst I was a DCC a while ago, we were unable to name a group of people that were unbais, everyone has their freinds that they play with, some people may be in xyz group or faction, some people just may not like each other so its very difficult to find the right people for this, these people would of course need to understand legislation and police rules which narrows it down further. 

Los Santos Police currently does not have a PCC System in place but should anyone reading this post have an issue with an officer, you are more than welcome to speak to a member of Police Command. 

@Fluqi - Chief Superintendent
@Shepherd Kingston - Superintendent
@ACC Greenhalgh 8181 - - Superintendent

 
And if you to find an interaction and RP to be of good quality to be celebrated,  the Recommend a Player forum section is here

 https://www.roleplay.co.uk/forum/123-recommend-a-roleplayer/

There is not a GTA section yet, but hopefully that is something we can out in 😊

Other than that, suggestion is really good and i hope something like this comes into play sooner, rather than later.

 
Maybe something for the council? Always hated the police dealing with serious complaints internally, makes 0 sense 😮

 
I mean works alright IRL but I think just let the police run themselves the command positions are given to non-bias members of the police that are trused to make the correct decison with the information they are supplied. The main issue I have with this is how corruptable it may be all it takes is one person with a strong resentment to the police and nearly every cop they investigate is being removed from the police.

(also if you don't trust the command members to make a fair and justified decision about a complaint then should they be in that position in the first place)

 
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SI Corrie Healy said:
I mean works alright IRL but I think just let the police run themselves the command positions are given to non-bias members of the police. The main issue I have with this is how corruptable it may be all it takes is one person with a strong resentment to the police and nearly every cop they investigate is being removed from the police.

(also if you don't trust the command members to make a fair and justified decision about a complaint then should they be in that position in the first place)
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If your read the document: 

The IOPC would not hand out punishments but only recommend how the involved parties should proceed - this avoids a lot of the issues that could otherwise arise in relation to members of the IOPC abusing their position.
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SI Corrie Healy said:
I mean works alright IRL but I think just let the police run themselves the command positions are given to non-bias members of the police that are trused to make the correct decison with the information they are supplied. The main issue I have with this is how corruptable it may be all it takes is one person with a strong resentment to the police and nearly every cop they investigate is being removed from the police.

(also if you don't trust the command members to make a fair and justified decision about a complaint then should they be in that position in the first place)
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Think you've misunderstood, all the IOPC would do is make a recommendation, such as we think officer A has breached police procedure and think that police command should take action in any way they see fit (Removal from the force being a last resort) again the emphasis on the fact that the IOPC would not hold any power over the police.

 
@Santo 

Your suggestion is for a suggestive entity that recommends actions that the police should take internally regarding a complaint that is submitted to yourselves as I said it would alright IRL but my issue would be the fact that all police command would have to do is say "yeah no thanks we don't need your input in this matter" and that's all your work down the drain yous have no actual police power I like what Norman is doing with the solicitors firm and the court system but for you're guy's sake who would follow it apart from 5 roleplayers until they get pissed off at it and don't use it anymore 

(just to say I love the idea but I think its a great idea at not such a top RP time in my opinion on the server)

 
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A updated suggestion in regards to the possibility of implementing the IOPC has been submitted to Stealthee. If you want to help out or if you're simply interested just msg me or @Santo 

 
SI Corrie Healy said:
I mean works alright IRL but I think just let the police run themselves the command positions are given to non-bias members of the police that are trused to make the correct decison with the information they are supplied. The main issue I have with this is how corruptable it may be all it takes is one person with a strong resentment to the police and nearly every cop they investigate is being removed from the police.

(also if you don't trust the command members to make a fair and justified decision about a complaint then should they be in that position in the first place)
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This. 

Not opposed to the RP, but you're not going to find non-bias civs unless it's Staff/Management/Devs. 

 
@Fluqi, me and @Santo had a chat with Shepherd yesterday about this and I'd love to have a similar chat with you as I think the system we have suggested could work very well as well as be good fun and RP for all parties involved.

If you'd be interested I'm around on TS most of the time. 

 
Fluqi said:
This. 

Not opposed to the RP, but you're not going to find non-bias civs unless it's Staff/Management/Devs. 
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and to add not just all firm members either 

 
Gray said:
and to add not just all firm members either 
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Same as with NCA, it's only natural that a idea like this is developed by people who already know each other. This does not mean we are not actively looking for more people to get involved in the project but as it is still in it's early stages that has not happened. If you want to get involved just send me a msg but until people do that it will only be me and @Santo.

And for any concerns regarding bias the system we have proposed would work to avoid that. 

If you have any more questions/issues just send me a msg on TS and I'd be happy to answer in more detail.

 
Alfred Wilson said:
Same as with NCA, it's only natural that a idea like this is developed by people who already know each other. This does not mean we are not actively looking for more people to get involved in the project but as it is still in it's early stages that has not happened. If you want to get involved just send me a msg but until people do that it will only be me and @Santo.

And for any concerns regarding bias the system we have proposed would work to avoid that. 

If you have any more questions/issues just send me a msg on TS and I'd be happy to answer in more detail.
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Idk why NCA is now being mentioned but again concern etc should be address and I was just raising mine. NCA will be on a trial period and actively looking for hard working members who have submitted a interest form, like yourself we are open to whoever would be interested however are limited to a small number of players during the trial.

(It wasn’t a jab i like the idea it is just a position that need to be balanced as I also agree with Fluqi’sconcerns )

 
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