Unban Appeal - Envy - GTA RP

[Envy]

Server: GTA RP
Character Name: Envy Wolf
Steam ID: 76561198083082500
Ban ID (just the numbers): !!rpuk19940!!
Ban Reason: G3.1/G3.5?
Why do you think you were banned: From my understanding I was banned due to my connections with multiple characters of the same person in the community, in turn leading to a major suspicion of OOC influence and poor character separation as a result of that.
Why should we unban you: Firstly, hello and thank you to whoever handles this appeal and to those who were involved in my ticket, your time is always appreciated!

Having only recently returned to RPUK & gaming in general this is not where I expected to be, and honestly I'm disappointed & slightly disheartened in myself due to that! I also won't waste your time attempting to excuse any potential wrong-doings of my own as I believe I spoke enough on that in my ticket yesterday evening, if you'd like me to elaborate on anything I am absolutely more than happy to if need be. In saying that, what is clear to myself is that I messed up by allowing a friendship with someone ooc to unintentionally cause an effect on roleplay, this was a genuine mistake from me even with the safeguard measures put in place to prevent this - as a result this caused a clear problem of poor character separation from myself.

Why should you unban me? I truly believe that what happened here was an honest lapse of judgement on my part, combined with a build up of different stories spanning a long period of time with the different characters involved - this only further adds to the problem at hand. As such, if I am unbanned I can only make a heartfelt promise to the staff & community that I will do better, and ensure if a similar situation with someone begins to happen again that I find ways to avoid similar roleplay where possible and/or bring it to staffs awareness on immediate notice. I also intend to keep my OOC friendships with individuals strictly as far from RP as I can, as this can only cause a potential for these issues to arise again otherwise. Moving on, I truly believe that the roleplay standard which I bring to this community should be a clear reason as to why I should be allowed to return, I try my best to make things fun for others even when it's played a negative effect to my character. I put 100% into my roleplay stories and I hope that those who have experienced that alongside my characters would agree.

I sincerely apologize to both the staff & community for where I have went wrong in this situation and the problems which have arose as a result of it, I should have known better and also should have put more thought into what I was doing with the characters at the time. I am someone who will always take accountability for my own actions no matter how intentional or not they were, if I'm allowed to return to playing I will ensure this sort of problem does not happen again. If any staff who handle this have any questions I'd be glad to answer.

I've really enjoyed the last couple of weeks since returning and I hope that I'm given the chance to continue to RP again!

Thanks,
Envy.
Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 

[Sammy]

Hello there @Envy , I hope you are doing well.

Now, there was already a very lengthy conversation in both tickets that were opened because of this. Now I want all cards on the table - How did you get in contact with those characters? I assume our take on it most likely not being entirely through ingame or coincidence is not completely off?

 

[Envy]

Hello there @Envy , I hope you are doing well.

Now, there was already a very lengthy conversation in both tickets that were opened because of this. Now I want all cards on the table - How did you get in contact with those characters? I assume our take on it most likely not being entirely through ingame or coincidence is not completely off?

I’m very well thank you @Sammy, hope you are too!

As far as how I got in contact with the characters the only one I remember with 100% certainty was Viper, that was just from my roleplay which had already developed with Pablo and I was then introduced at some point during that.

Elvira I’m pretty sure was shortly after flying in at AE, I don’t recall that with complete certainty though. There was a vague idea thrown around in days/weeks prior that if the character was to be made there would be a very small form of history between them being distant friends from many years prior, but that was essentially just a baseline, roleplay was completely natural past that.

The other characters I’m not completely sure, if I had to guess I think Lillie was first introduced when Envy was a Park Ranger as she stopped him for a drug search, but I don’t believe I actually had any idea who she was till months on from that when she got introduced under a different alias whilst undercover. Katelyn was the first primary character I recall properly meeting as there was a picture of myself taken by someone on Charles’ balcony prompting her to find out who I was when I worked at AE still.

I must apologies if these aren’t 100% accurate as a lot of it was around 2 years ago now.

As far as the meta-gaming aspect, that isn’t correct to your assumptions and from my own perspective on it the only real aspect of that would be taking the friendship I had ooc & failing to differentiate that with the multiple characters in city which I can completely see and can certainly hold my hands up to. In hindsight I should’ve absolutely seen how a problem such as this could arise due to that. With the allegation of meta-gaming the characters meeting, it just didn’t happen - as much as I agree it does absolutely look suspicious with the one set of time stamps which I was shown in my ticket.

Thanks for your time/response, and I hope to hear back soon.

 

[Sammy]

Run me through your thought process when you got in contact with different characters of hers - As much as I understand wanting to spend time with people, why not stick to one character? Why was there contact needed between yourself and all 4 of her characters? Why would you, for example, not turn down the offer to photograph Lily Miller´s wedding? You understand that just looks like straight up nepotism, right?

I´m seriously trying to understand how neither of you realised this. Quite frankly, I´m having issues to believe that you didn´t realise, but simply didn´t care?

 

[Envy]

Hey @Sammy,

I’ve got a very busy week so my response may seem slightly displaced/disjointed as I’m currently solely mobile.

On to the questions you have, in terms of contact & thought - the stories with each character from my pov were all fairly different and stemmed from different places, some had more detail whereas some had little, as much as there was definitely a level of poor character separation on my end, from my own perspective I always had tried to keep the stories/characters separate. For example with Lily, I only met her informally (from my own recollection) twice, once was over a span of a couple days for the photos/wedding with Matthew(Mike) which was after I had shot photos of him beforehand, and another of which she was caught up in a story involving friends of my own while she was undercover. Of the other two characters at the time, one was a business owner/arms dealer whereas the other was a mechanic/biker, of course there will be similarities as it’s the same person playing the character although the context of which I’d be involved with them was different. In the current day, I quite literally allowed Viper to die even when I was left alone with her and had multiple opportunities to assist her escape I didn’t, as a result putting her completely out of the picture and essentially throwing away all of the stories that had developed with herself, Pablo, myself & the Padrino’s as I think this was a perma-death (may be mistaken on the final part).

I believe the point I’m trying express while giving you an answer to your questions is that each circumstance was significantly unique, the stories carried being different across the board, of which had naturally developed over time with each. Of course I could’ve tried my upmost hardest to roleplay with just one of the characters but from how it happened over time it just wouldn’t have made sense from an IC perspective to do so, and at the time I hadn’t exactly considered that thought either. I can also say for certain that my thoughts through it were never nepotism but simply “is this right for my character?” - in which the same could be said in response to your question of to not turn down the offer to photograph the wedding, the simple answer is it was just natural story progression for my character, there was a story with both Matthew & Lillie at that point which had led up to that beforehand where Envy had already taken photos for them in different contexts.

I cannot speak for her, but I’d be fairly confident in saying that we both understood there was always a level of risk with an issue such as this arising if I were to play alongside another of her characters, which is why as such at least speaking for myself I tried my best in keeping the stories separate and different in their own way. Nor did I maliciously or intentionally try to blend the characters or attempt to gain an advantage from it, there was always a mindfulness of care in place for separating, not just for the rules but for the roleplay itself, although clearly from another’s perspective it may not seem as good as I thought.

Hope to hear back soon and as always I’m happy to answer any of your questions.

Kind regards,
Envy

 

[Sammy]

So you are saying there is a natural character story with all the different characters and that you let Viper die. Now, while you did do that, what happened after does not look like a natural progression, wouldn´t you say?
In fact, the whole story between Envy and Elvira simply looks rushed, lazy and calculated.

15/05/2023 01:14:52 - Elvira was created
15/05/2023 01:50:00 - Envy logs in after logging out at 1AM
15/05/2023 02:02:48 - first ever message between Envy and Elvira
30/03/2024 21:31:34 - Last message between Envy and Elvira until recently
16/11/2024 00:20:11 - Last session on Elvira until after Viper was killed
25/02/2025 01:55:12 - Viper was killed by Padrinos and bled out
25/02/2025, 01:59:52 - Elvira logs on and is pretty much instantly in contact with Envy again, acting like best friends

So not only was there only 12 minutes between you logging in and those two being in contact right after the creation of the character, you also were not in contact for almost a year and she had not played that character in over 3 months at all and rarely before that. Just when Viper was killed off, Envy and Elvira seemed to have suddenly remembered each other.

 

[Stavik]

@Envy Please respond or the appeal will timeout.

 

[Envy]

@Stavik Sorry, I’ve just been very occupied this week



Hello @Sammy, I believe I already spoke on the time stamps within my ticket, in which I absolutely agreed that it looks suspicious, I would also say is relevant to your first point of progression - although with that, without being present within the RP at the time or visibly witnessing what occurred with every single meeting or interaction of the characters as a whole I think it would be hard to actually judge the based on that.

For example with the most recent meeting of Elvira; post-mortem of Vi - myself, Pablo, and a couple other Padrino’s had been out on a “crash out” where a pharmacy was robbed then burnt, we then had an encounter with some people from The Lost resulting in a gunfight. After we had been taken to the hospital, while driving as a convoy through the city I spotted El who has neon orange hair (I only know two people with that hair), riding a bike which is very specific to her, which is also fairly similar to one I also own as Envy in another colour. In other words - she was extremely recognisable, which resulted in my calling or texting her if I recall correctly. We then had a brief meeting where she told me what she was up to, what happened with TireNutz, that she was now a solicitor etc and the story progressed from there. None of which was rushed, lazy or calculated at least speaking on my own behalf, but without actually seeing that or knowing/being involved with their story beforehand I would totally understand where the perception of what you’re saying comes from.

Whilst yes, we hadn’t been in contact for almost a year I feel like it should be said that I was away from RPUK & PC gaming as an entirety for almost a year, only flying in once or twice during that period when I was able, so to me at least the break of contact between the characters does not seem that unusual from a roleplay or ooc perspective. Hope this helps in clarifying things for yourself.

Kind regards,
Envy.

 

[Sammy]

Very well, I will leave it there for now.

I do have something else I want to ask you. You were the one that introduced Pablo and Elvira, correct? How in the world did you think it would be a good idea to do this, considering Pablo was engaged to her other character and killed her off mere hours beforehand? I will not blame you for how far those two took the character separation issues, but surely you MUST have heard alarm bells ring very loudly?

 

[Envy]

Very well, I will leave it there for now.

I do have something else I want to ask you. You were the one that introduced Pablo and Elvira, correct? How in the world did you think it would be a good idea to do this, considering Pablo was engaged to her other character and killed her off mere hours beforehand? I will not blame you for how far those two took the character separation issues, but surely you MUST have heard alarm bells ring very loudly?

Hey @Sammy,

I was person who introduced them yes, I'm unsure on how they were introduced specifically though that night and the context surrounding it, I believe everyone at the time came to me at legion square after a little and the topic of conversation lead from her being a solicitor.

Did I think this was a good idea? Not exactly, although I wasn't opposed to it at the time as I certainly didn't expect it would go as far as it did, nor did I expect it to happen so fast.

There wasn't immediate alarm bells, though by the second day I definitively could agree they were ringing with how the stories/people were then somewhat close to or were clearly colliding.

Kind regards,
Envy

 

[Sammy]

You must understand, Envy, from an outside perspective and considering how repetitive it seems to be between the two of you, it is very difficult to figure out how involved exactly you were yourself. While the main blame definitely lays on her shoulders, due to other issues surrounding her characters, you are by far not innocent in this!

I´ll be honest with you, your answers seem evasive and not entirely truthful. So either you knew precisely what you were doing, or it went so far over your head, that I need to question whether or not you even care.

I truly believe that you knew how sketchy it was all along and you went ahead and did it anyway. While there is nothing wrong with playing with your friends, making characters with a backstory together, or creating a character with a purpose, this was being handled in a lazy manner and neither of you put the leg work needed into this.

You being away for some time, does not excuse anything. In roleplay, your characters were estranged for a year, yet the second Viper dies Elvira popped up and you all carried on as if nothing happened.


You are skirting the truth, trying to make excuses for your poor judgement and character separation and no matter if there is things I did or didn´t see, it does not change the fact that both of you simply screwed up.

If it was one character, I might give you the benefit of the doubt - but we are talking all of her characters in one way or another and that is simply not a coincidence.

Myself and other staff are not satisfied with the excuses you have given, therefore you can come back and try again in 2 months time.


Denied. Can appeal again after 22/05/2025.