The RP with police. Is there any point?

[Kris!]

I tend to think out of the box when the police pulls me over. I'm not a drug dealer collecting cocaine, my name is David Attenborough or Alan Titchmarsh collecting rare plants only found on Altis ready to send to the UK for conservation. Beats the idea "my friend brought me here and told me to do it" or the typical "ninjas said they would kill my family if I didn't do it" or my favourite "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ARRESTING ME FOR YOU FILTHY FUCKING CUNT BASTARD STUPID FUCKER IM GOING TO KILL YOU".

Ultimately what I'm suggesting is, take it up with the arresting officer, don't put the entire force down because you came across a cop you don't like.

 

[H4XS]

Haha. This is brilliant!

Okay so when the ANPR bleeps and tells us who owns the vehicle we get name(s). If your friend had let you borrow it he would've given you the keys to the vehicle so that your name shows up on the ownership of it, because it obviously didn't it rings to the officer in question that you have most likely stolen the vehicle. Don't try to pull the wool over our eyes, we understand how the system works, a friend would not let you drive his Hatchback Sport without having the keys to lock it.

Well now you just making up YOUR own story. You cannot prove it.  That´s the whole point of this tread. Police always right, no proof needed for the police. It seems like all RP should be coming from the Civilian, and not from the police.

 And i as i told a little farther up the thread - "He didn't give me the keys, because he was worried about the car being used as a drug transporting vehicle". And "Most likely stolen", is your assumption, not a fact. 

 

[Snickersbar]

I think you can't compare this to real life. If I was driving a car irl, that isn't mine, and the cops pulled me over, they wouldn't just let me go. I would have to prove it belongs to a friend of mine, or atleast be arrested for 24 hours. In that time the cops can investigate whose car it is, and why I was drinving it. They could do this, because there is reason to believe I stole the car.

Now, obviously this isn't possible ingame, or would you like to sit in jail for 24 hours?

Another point, maybe the owner of the car did report it stolen? Maybe he wasn't online anymore, but you can't know for sure he didn't report it.

It's impossible for the police the prove everything, game mechanics aside, this just being a game by itself is the reason for that.

It is a game, a roleplaying game, I can't for example kill everyone I see. We realize and accept the limitations within the game and not find ways around them, I belive this is what is called powergaming.

 

[H4XS]

I tend to think out of the box when the police pulls me over. I'm not a drug dealer collecting cocaine, my name is David Attenborough or Alan Titchmarsh collecting rare plants only found on Altis ready to send to the UK for conservation. Beats the idea "my friend brought me here and told me to do it" or the typical "ninjas said they would kill my family if I didn't do it" or my favourite "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ARRESTING ME FOR YOU FILTHY FUCKING CUNT BASTARD STUPID FUCKER IM GOING TO KILL YOU".

Ultimately what I'm suggesting is, take it up with the arresting officer, don't put the entire force down because you came across a cop you don't like.

Yet again. You make up YOUR story. This is my story, as long as it checks out and you cannot prove it otherwise - it check out. 

About those stories you bring up, i could easy counter RP all of those. And maybe you cannot counter RP them the first time you hear them, so be it. But the second time you hear them. You will be ready. You will avenge yourself. You will win.

Its all about RP, if you cant prove me wrong on my "bad" story, would´t it be your fault for being bad at RP?

I thought RP was what server was all about. I guess i was wrong.

 

[Rigaz]

1. Thats what u do when u lockpick a car, or do keys magically apear in your hands? Don't be silly. Fucking PROVE that I stole it. No prove=no charges. Open car= keys in the engine. Not wires, stop making up making up MY story.

Well now you just making up YOUR own story. You cannot prove it.  That´s the whole point of this tread. Police always right, no proof needed for the police. It seems like all RP should be coming from the Civilian, and not from the police.

 And i as i told a little farther up the thread - "He didn't give me the keys, because he was worried about the car being used as a drug transporting vehicle". And "Most likely stolen", is your assumption, not a fact. 

You're kind of contradicting yourself in your story. Which one is it, either you have keys, or you don't.

So, if you told the cops you didn't get the keys because your 'friend' didn't trust you, you should have to hotwire the car.

Or, you do have the keys (found the car with the keys in it), and simply unlocking / locking the car would be proof enough.

EDIT: Typo

 

[H4XS]

It's impossible for the police the prove everything, game mechanics aside, this just being a game by itself is the reason for that.

Exactly, that´s why you should admit your defeat. And just roll with it. Until next time. You don´t have to be right. Thats what police on this server do not understand. 

 

[H4XS]

It's impossible for the police the prove everything, game mechanics aside, this just being a game by itself is the reason for that.

Exactly, that´s why you should admit your defeat. And just roll with it. Until next time. You don´t have to be right. Thats what police on this server do not understand. 

 

[Starsky]

Well now you just making up YOUR own story. You cannot prove it.  That´s the whole point of this tread. Police always right, no proof needed for the police. It seems like all RP should be coming from the Civilian, and not from the police.

 And i as i told a little farther up the thread - "He didn't give me the keys, because he was worried about the car being used as a drug transporting vehicle". And "Most likely stolen", is your assumption, not a fact. 

It's not an assumption it's fact. It's pretty much common sense also that this friend would give you the keys so that you are able to lock the vehicle. The vehicle doesn't show up on ANPR as you owning the vehicle, this means that you have stolen the vehicle in terms of the law. Going off a story like "my friend borrowed me the vehicle" is a bogus story.

I mean if you just want to complain and moan that you got caught it's fine by me, but don't take it out on all of the police force just because you suck at making up a good story rather than 'oh my friend gave me the vehicle to borrow' because that story isn't going to ring true unless you PROVE that the person who owns the vehicle borrowed it to you.

 

[Starsky]

Well now you just making up YOUR own story. You cannot prove it.  That´s the whole point of this tread. Police always right, no proof needed for the police. It seems like all RP should be coming from the Civilian, and not from the police.

 And i as i told a little farther up the thread - "He didn't give me the keys, because he was worried about the car being used as a drug transporting vehicle". And "Most likely stolen", is your assumption, not a fact. 

It's not an assumption it's fact. It's pretty much common sense also that this friend would give you the keys so that you are able to lock the vehicle. The vehicle doesn't show up on ANPR as you owning the vehicle, this means that you have stolen the vehicle in terms of the law. Going off a story like "my friend borrowed me the vehicle" is a bogus story.

I mean if you just want to complain and moan that you got caught it's fine by me, but don't take it out on all of the police force just because you suck at making up a good story rather than 'oh my friend gave me the vehicle to borrow' because that story isn't going to ring true unless you PROVE that the person who owns the vehicle borrowed it to you.

 

[H4XS]

You're kind of contradicting yourself in your story. Which one is it, either you have keys, or you don't.

So, if you told the cops you didn't get the keys because your 'friend' didn't trust you, you should have to hotwire the car.

Or, you do have the keys (found the car with the keys in it), and simply unlocking / locking the car would be prove enough.

Well clearly there is two types of keys to outside of the vehicle and inside. If you get outside keys you can control trunk, alarm and you get registered as a owner.

Ok Lets make it even easier. He gave me the engine key(literally one key) and wireless key, he kept to himself (like lock/open vehicle and so on) 

It´s game mechanics fault not mine. Just roll with it already. If you can´t modify it, nor you or is wrong in this situation.   

 

[Starsky]

Well clearly there is two types of keys to outside of the vehicle and inside. If you get outside keys you can control trunk, alarm and you get registered as a owner.

Ok Lets make it even easier. He gave me the engine key(literally one key) and wireless key, he kept to himself (like lock/open vehicle and so on) 

It´s game mechanics fault not mine. Just roll with it already. If you can´t modify it, nor you or is wrong in this situation.   

..What? There is one set of keys altogether. And that one allows you to unlock the vehicle, lock it and allow you to use the inventory of the vehicle.. Don't use the excuse of an 'engine key' because that's utter bullshit, it's not in the game at all so don't use it as an excuse.

 

[FriendlyFireGuy]

*Face palm*

 

[H4XS]

It's not an assumption it's fact. It's pretty much common sense also that this friend would give you the keys so that you are able to lock the vehicle. The vehicle doesn't show up on ANPR as you owning the vehicle, this means that you have stolen the vehicle in terms of the law. Going off a story like "my friend borrowed me the vehicle" is a bogus story.

I mean if you just want to complain and moan that you got caught it's fine by me, but don't take it out on all of the police force just because you suck at making up a good story rather than 'oh my friend gave me the vehicle to borrow' because that story isn't going to ring true unless you PROVE that the person who owns the vehicle borrowed it to you.

Well a player didn't lock his car. I took it. As long as you cannot prove me wrong. Its legal. Thats the point. Its the player who didnt lock his car is to blame, not me. He didnt report it missing, therefore its legal. I didnt steal it (no charges), therefore its legal.

I am fine with you confiscating the vehicle until this "misunderstanding" clears up. But i am not fine with you giving me a ticket based on your assumptions. Thats whats this thread is all about. Assumptions.

If you confiscated based on my "shitty" story, fine. Nor i will get anything profitable out of it, but you wont either (you not giving me a ticket). We stay friends, and shake on it until next time.

 

[Snickersbar]

I'm seeing alot of people saying something along the lines of "You need a key to start a car, so you must have hotwired it since you didn't have the key", then I see alot of people agreeing.

You don't need a key to start a vehicle in this game you just happen to press W or S and the car starts, this is a limitation within the game.

I'm fairly certain if it was a strong desire for it the devs could write a simple check like "if no key in inventory, disable W and S while in a vehicle".

You simply designed a work-around for a limitation within the game in order to make vehicle theft more plausible so you can give him a ticket/send him to jail - google powergaming.

 

[Starsky]

Well a player didn't lock his car. I took it. As long as you cannot prove me wrong. Its legal. Thats the point. Its the player who didnt lock his car is to blame, not me. He didnt report it missing, therefore its legal. I didnt steal it (no charges), therefore its legal.

I am fine with you confiscating the vehicle until this "misunderstanding" clears up. But i am not fine with you giving me a ticket based on your assumptions. Thats whats this thread is all about. Assumptions.

If you confiscated based on my "shitty" story, fine. Nor i will get anything profitable out of it, but you wont either (you not giving me a ticket). We stay friends, and shake on it until next time.

But... you stole the car.. so it isn't legal. You got into a vehicle which wasn't yours and drove away with it... which is not legal. You broke the law and you got caught because of it, I cannot believe you are currently moaning about being caught with a car that you stole and being fined for it. Blows my mind.

 

[Neo]

 IM GOING TO KILL YOU".

Yay, that's "Threats to kill" under the Offences against the person act of 1861.

an extra £75,000 !

I'll also add, it was TWOC, not theft......

 

[H4XS]

..What? There is one set of keys altogether. And that one allows you to unlock the vehicle, lock it and allow you to use the inventory of the vehicle.. Don't use the excuse of an 'engine key' because that's utter bullshit, it's not in the game at all so don't use it as an excuse.

Well clearly i drove the car without owning the keys. So maybe i did have some kind of key, maybe a spare one with only engine key? Or maybe your police computer broke down? Or maybe DMV didnt registered this car in my name yet? Maybe i had a name change? Maybe the key got stuck in the keyhole? Maybe someone tried to frame me and reprogrammed my car while i was fueling at gas station? Maybe owner dced in my car while i was driving? What about my story dont you like, good sir? Pick and choose your own story then, the one you like the best.

 So my story kinda checks out, again. You cant PROVE my story wrong. Blame the game, not me.  About it being bullshit, prove it otherwise, show me the wires in the car being ripped out, its not in the game either. hahaha. This is ridiculous. 

 

[H4XS]

But... you stole the car.. so it isn't legal. You got into a vehicle which wasn't yours and drove away with it... which is not legal. You broke the law and you got caught because of it, I cannot believe you are currently moaning about being caught with a car that you stole and being fined for it. Blows my mind.

Dude. YOU dont know how i got the car. Thats the point. PROVE that i stole it. 

 

[Fuel]

I'm seeing alot of people saying something along the lines of "You need a key to start a car, so you must have hotwired it since you didn't have the key", then I see alot of people agreeing.

You don't need a key to start a vehicle in this game you just happen to press W or S and the car starts, this is a limitation within the game.

I'm fairly certain if it was a strong desire for it the devs could write a simple check like "if no key in inventory, disable W and S while in a vehicle".

You simply designed a work-around for a limitation within the game in order to make vehicle theft more plausible so you can give him a ticket/send him to jail - google powergaming.

I just did some research on power gaming, 

power gaming does not really apply as this game is full of it.

basically in rp gaming power gaming is using something that is not implemented in the game to achieve your aim.

like you said the key instance and W + S

but in that case every form of role play is a form of powergaming,

people saying I am hunting - hunting doesnt exist

people using professions - there isnt any professions

my wife is pregnant - no females in arma

you get my drift

 

[Neo]

Your entire thread is about us not being able to prove a BS story, which in turn proves its a BS story...

separate door and engine keys? wow that fits into the game/world mechanics...

You also said the owner was offline? then at that point the consent you had to drive it is also revoked, as that person no longer existed, which means it's a car... that's not road registered, not-owned waste = Stolen....

if you can create BS stories, we can create more logical ones.