The RP with police. Is there any point?

[H4XS]

After reading your posts I'm also feeling that the police didn't do anything majorly wrong. True, maybe their RP could have been better but so could yours. But if you want to go down to law level, then I think police had all the right to assume the vehicle is stolen and request you to prove it. Next time try not to speed with lights off in someones else vehicle without having keys.

But if I were you I wouldn't worry. I've had my share of contact (bad and good) with police and other players and there's always something to learn from every situation so you can be better next time, play the situation out better next time and we'll all have good time.

The police did not do anything right. The failed to prove my story wrong. They put charges for crimes i did not do. 

I told officers right away that´s was the first time i was driving the sport hatchback - which is true. Adrenaline rushed to my veins and i could not think clearly for a couple of seconds. I literally drove for like 7seconds before i got pulled over. I had no time to react to the speed and lights. 

 

[Snickersbar]

H4XS based on your wreckless driving they have full right to ask you to prove that you are the correct owner of the vehicle.

If you fail to do so, they have full right to assume it's stolen.

You did put yourself into a position in which you need to prove them that your story is legit.

I have no idea what country you live in, but in western democracies (England included) Police can not charge anyone with anything based on assumption. 

 

[Devil]

I'm sorry but in this situation I have to stick with police.

Saying that they didn't do anything right just sounds so wrong if you are getting pulled over in a stolen vehicle while driving recklessly without lights on. 

They saw you speed, they pulled you over. They saw the vehicle didn't belong to you and as you were speeding with lights off (kind of resembles drive-away right after vehicle theft) they wanted you to prove that you are allowed to ride the car which you failed to do. So they fined you for it (not for the drugs?).

Where exactly is the problem? They proved their story when they pulled you over speeding in someones else vehicle with lights off.

But hey. Maybe we should have court to solve these kind of issues?

 

[H4XS]

H4XS based on your wreckless driving they have full right to ask you to prove that you are the correct owner of the vehicle.

If you fail to do so, they have full right to assume it's stolen. Even in IRL if you get caught breaking the law and drive someones else vehicle you might have to prove that the owner has allowed you to drive it. Even if you don't need to have written verdict from the owner all the time with you.

You did put yourself into a position in which you need to prove them that your story is legit.

But it's true that lying about the drugs is fishy, I have to agree with that.

Jesus christ. Why do you even talk when you don´t even know whats happening IRL? Friend of mine borrowed my car and got a speed ticket for it, its real life experience btw. He was in another country, with my car, speeding. All he had to do is just pay the ticket, that´s all. Don´t start to BS me about things you know nothing about, because clearly you don´t. It´s happened like 3 weeks ago, tops.

I am the one who is being charged, i am the one who they should prove wrong, not other way around...

 

[Snickersbar]

I am afraid it does not work like that and you will never be let go, I can already tell what kind of criminal you are without ever coming to a situational you are involved in,

Instead of trying to RP out of it you would most likely hurl abuse at the officers then complain as you are getting fined/prisoned shouting I am reporting this is abuse!. Sound familiar?

take the information that all these people kindly gave you and move on if you want to report someone go to the report a player section otherwise leave it there you are obviously not willing to discuss and that is what General Discussion is for.

All I have seen is at best people giving him a set of replies that in your eyes are deemed to be acceptable to the situation in order to warrant being taken seriously.

So far all you have done is try to put words in his mouth. This is not the mark of a serious roleplaying community.

 

[H4XS]

I'm sorry but in this situation I have to stick with police.

Saying that they didn't do anything right just sounds so wrong if you are getting pulled over in a>>>>> STOLEN <<<<<vehicle while driving recklessly without lights on. 

They saw you speed, they pulled you over. They saw the vehicle didn't belong to you and as you were speeding with lights off (kind of resembles drive-away right after vehicle theft) they wanted you to prove that you are allowed to ride the car which you failed to do. So they fined you for it (not for the drugs?).

Where exactly is the problem? They proved their story when they pulled you over speeding in someones else vehicle with lights off.

But hey. Maybe we should have court to solve these kind of issues?

They did not prove anything. IT WAS NOT STOLEN UNTILL PROVEN STOLEN. They never proved it. 

I just told you, that i was driving for 7 seconds - my first sportshatchback experience, i told them that. 

 

[H4XS]

All I have seen is at best people giving him a set of replies that in your eyes are deemed to be acceptable to the situation in order to warrant being taken seriously.

So far all you have done is try to put words in his mouth. This is not the mark of a serious roleplaying community.

Thank you! Like really. Just prove me wrong and i will agree. Making stupid assumptions don´t prove anything. 

I think main police rule should be: NO PROOF = NO CHARGE. 

 

[Kris!]

They can arrest, detain and question you under the suspicion of theft of a motor vehicle. Ultimately, your poor role playing situation would make me believe the vehicle was stolen and of course, we wouldn't be able to charge you on that suspicion. But don't accuse every officer of being bad at role play, thank you.

 

[Snickersbar]

They can arrest, detain and question you under the suspicion of theft of a motor vehicle. Ultimately, your poor role playing situation would make me believe the vehicle was stolen and of course, we wouldn't be able to charge you on that suspicion. But don't accuse every officer of being bad at role play, thank you.

Thank you! As I was loosing hope in humanity..

 

[Devil]

I have no idea what country you live in, but in western democracies (England included) Police can not charge anyone with anything based on assumption. 

Yeah, but don't they have the right to hold you (and the vehicle) for further investigation?

Just last week our police stopped 2 guys on the street pushing a Kawazaki bike besides them and even as the vehicle wasn't marked as stolen and police couldn't prove it on the place, they inbounded it because the guys story was fishy (they told something about friend asked to move it to another place (it was like middle of the night etc).

As I understand H4XS is angry because police asked him to prove the ownership of the vehicle... Which I think police had the right to do in this situation. Charging him for it, maybe not.

 

[H4XS]

They can arrest, detain and question you under the suspicion of theft of a motor vehicle. Ultimately, your poor role playing situation would make me believe the vehicle was stolen and of course, we wouldn't be able to charge you on that suspicion. But don't accuse every officer of being bad at role play, thank you.

SUSPICION <<<<. It´s all there is. You base all your evidence on Suspicion. I mean really? 

I don´t really give a damn about what you believe, as long as you cannot prove it, it will stay as your believing. Anyhow i still got charged for that suspicion of yours, which is clearly whats wrong here. 

My role playing have nothing to do with this case, when it´s the officers duty to actually to RP me into the vehicle theft - which they failed.  I did my part of the role play, i told them my story (It don´t matter how "good" or "bad" it is. It worked, police failed to prove me wrong.)

Well all you "police" on forums so far being douchebags. You did not prove me wrong, yet. You did not answer about cops lying about texting other player. You did not reply about cops trying to frame me with drugs, since i did not want to pay the grand theft ticket. 

 

[Kris!]

Yes, since the vehicle was not registered to him then they should and most likely will impound and seize it. He will be processed for dangerous driving, driving without due care and attention and speeding, also due to driving without insurance can result in the vehicle being crushed (in UK law, we don't do this in altis unless it was used for drugs or is an ifrit). In regards to the theft of a stolen vehicle then the owner would be contacted. If they're unable to be contacted then no charge would be upheld.

You'd still have your license revoked and a large fine.

 

[Starsky]

Haha. This is brilliant!

Okay so when the ANPR bleeps and tells us who owns the vehicle we get name(s). If your friend had let you borrow it he would've given you the keys to the vehicle so that your name shows up on the ownership of it, because it obviously didn't it rings to the officer in question that you have most likely stolen the vehicle. Don't try to pull the wool over our eyes, we understand how the system works, a friend would not let you drive his Hatchback Sport without having the keys to lock it.

 

[H4XS]

Yeah, but don't they have the right to hold you (and the vehicle) for further investigation?

Just last week our police stopped 2 guys on the street pushing a Kawazaki bike besides them and even as the vehicle wasn't marked as stolen and police couldn't prove it on the place, they inbounded it because the guys story was fishy (they told something about friend asked to move it to another place (it was like middle of the night etc).

As I understand H4XS is angry because police asked him to prove the ownership of the vehicle... Which I think police had the right to do in this situation. Charging him for it, maybe not.

OHH. So police didn't put them them to jail right away??? Thats fucking strange don´t you think? If story sound fishy, so be it, impound my car. But why would you charge me for vehicle theft? 

As i can see this situation it was all about me RP to keep the car to myself (proceed driving) or they impound it ( me being free to go, since they had no evidence for me stealing it, but yet my story didn't check out) 

 

[Kris!]

Your role play has absolutely everything to do with this thread. If you had come up with a more imaginative story, other than "it's my friends car", it would have been a very different story.

Don't blame your problems on everyone else and acknowledge your story could have been a bit better. I have no idea who the arresting officer is, and like I've said before, I don't let my suspicions get the best of me, so you wouldn't have been charged with theft of a motor vehicle. I'm not going to apologise on their behalf due to the sheer fact you're handling this like pre-teen drama queen. Hopefully you'll drive a bit safer next time.

 

[H4XS]

Yes, since the vehicle was not registered to him then they should and most likely will impound and seize it. He will be processed for dangerous driving, driving without due care and attention and speeding, also due to driving without insurance can result in the vehicle being crushed (in UK law, we don't do this in altis unless it was used for drugs or is an ifrit). In regards to the theft of a stolen vehicle then the owner would be contacted. If they're unable to be contacted then no charge would be upheld.

You'd still have your license revoked and a large fine.

Well as it´s not IRL so i do completely agreed with you. Yet I don´t want to pay the ticket for crimes i did not commit. And everything else, like driving without lights and over speed limit, is fine by me. Yet like i said, it was my first time driving blablabla. A litle solidarity would do fine as well. 

 

[Kris!]

Also, due to the ticket system, I do believe dangerous driving, speeding and driving without due care and attention, failure supply correct legal documents in regards to insurance would amount well over £150,000 constituting jail time anyway. Out come would have been the same.

 

[H4XS]

Your role play has absolutely everything to do with this thread. If you had come up with a more imaginative story, other than "it's my friends car", it would have been a very different story.

Don't blame your problems on everyone else and acknowledge your story could have been a bit better. I have no idea who the arresting officer is, and like I've said before, I don't let my suspicions get the best of me, so you wouldn't have been charged with theft of a motor vehicle. I'm not going to apologise on their behalf due to the sheer fact you're handling this like pre-teen drama queen. Hopefully you'll drive a bit safer next time.

Wow calm down. No need to let it become personal. All i am saying my story was good - they did not prove me otherwise = good. Well for all you know it was my "friends car", you clearly failed to prove me otherwise. So MY story (doesn´t matter how bad or good it might be) still checks out, since police failed to prove my story wrong. 

And all you officers here who think that you are so good at RP would had a problem to give me a better reason to put me to jail for, than this false charges . I am sure you would counter RP me with your "awesome" RP skills. 

 

[H4XS]

Also, due to the ticket system, I do believe dangerous driving, speeding and driving without due care and attention, failure supply correct legal documents in regards to insurance would amount well over £150,000 constituting jail time anyway. Out come would have been the same.

Make up your mind, either it dangerous driving or speeding ( I was driving on my side of the road no need to make up new charges, geees). BTW there is other countries in the world besides UK. And some of those countries don´t have a rule about showing the insurance. Since i can´t really see any insurance buildings in Altis, it should be necessary. So let´s keep it cool. No need bring it up. I could just told to you that´s i am on my way to DMV to change the insurance papers, and since nor you or i can see the documents it will be your word against my word.  No need to make it harder than that is.

PS. by saying "you" i mean police/officer not you personally.   

 

[Rigaz]

OHH. So police didn't put them them to jail right away??? Thats fucking strange don´t you think? If story sound fishy, so be it, impound my car. But why would you charge me for vehicle theft? 

As i can see this situation it was all about me RP to keep the car to myself (proceed driving) or they impound it ( me being free to go, since they had no evidence for me stealing it, but yet my story didn't check out) 

I think you can't compare this to real life. If I was driving a car irl, that isn't mine, and the cops pulled me over, they wouldn't just let me go. I would have to prove it belongs to a friend of mine, or atleast be arrested for 24 hours. In that time the cops can investigate whose car it is, and why I was drinving it. They could do this, because there is reason to believe I stole the car.

Now, obviously this isn't possible ingame, or would you like to sit in jail for 24 hours?

Another point, maybe the owner of the car did report it stolen? Maybe he wasn't online anymore, but you can't know for sure he didn't report it.

It's impossible for the police the prove everything, game mechanics aside, this just being a game by itself is the reason for that.