the evolution of poor roleplay by rebels and cops

[Samatlewis]

I Took a PPC against somebody before, it was swiftly declined. I honestly believe that the police is pretty much a talent contest and if you're in with high ups you have no fear of PCC's. Just my opinion... 

Obviously you are entitled to opinion and without evidence of wrong doing (something that can't really be evidenced, admittedly) I don't see that as the case. Quite a few of the officers on PCV's have had little or no interaction with CSI/SI's (yaknow the guys that sit in their gorgeous offices all day( Dredd's stinks like shit)) 

I would agree that this is more of a 'let's share poor experiences and moan about the police thread' 

If you feel officers aren't trained in the right, lack training in certain areas/situations and it frequently happens then make a suggestion to police command either in a pm or forum post (don't just make the topic seem like a moan, problem>solution>implementation) should be raised to attention.Wording is key.

 

[Riccardo Walls]

If you feel officers aren't trained in the right, lack training in certain areas/situations and it frequently happens then make a suggestion to police command either in a pm or forum post (don't just make the topic seem like a moan, problem>solution>implementation) should be raised to attention.Wording is key.

Aye, Dont get me wrong, This server isn't just slating cops its more roleplay as a whole, I was just responding to something somebody has said to me. 

At the end of the day if the servers Rp was so shit everybody would leave? The server is populated. 

 

[LONG BEARD]

Sadly there's a lot of people pretending to be roleplayers but in reality are more interested in pew pew.

 

[Mr kazz]

I think kavala drug dealer should move to neri, its too much in kavala. 

also think there should be a time limit to players wanting to join the police say 4 weeks to understand the RP rules, not frsh out the bag and just wanting to join.

 

[Cao Yun]

(wrong thread please delete)

 

[Hobbs]

I would love to see the area around Kavala a greenzone but it takes away the mayhem? hmmm

 

[Mr Eagle]

Tbh i honestly believe think most rebels have got bored. Everyone is just thilfy rich and want to kill people for their entertainmet. Not alot of fun rp weed runs with cops anymore and so on as a rebel. We're all too rich and people view the rebel life as shooty shooty. I think if we were more on the poor side people would value RP considering their not as rich and constantly bored. If players are not occupied, (they're rich) they just go round shooting because its fun when you're rich. However when you're more on the un-wealthy side, shooty shooty is less popular within the rebel community. 

I think prices of guns should be at least doubled and things are more expensive so it forces people to make money rather than logging on to frag people like its some sort of KOTH server...

 

[zener]

i feel like unless you run into a really good police member then you are not gunna have a good roleplay experience, because they just dont want to listen to what you have to say they just do what they need to and then leave, for example when my friend ifrit was scrapped the police didnt even want to roleplay, he tried talking to them but he got nothing and when he spent 3mill on the item atleast the police owe him a bit of rp to not make that a complete waste. I understand its not just police and rebels dont roleplay always but i love to rp so i just think everyone should try to roleplay more. Also i think more greenzones in kavala and also gang safe areas.

 

[Matt O'leary]

I think the jail time's should be increased, and be affected by the bounty. This will make people think a bit more about their actions. As well as more prison breaks that could be fun to do. 

If I had to give an example, 0 - 200.000 pound bounty should just be 15 min. and like every 100.000 that gets added could be + 5 or 10 minutes.

 

[Cao Yun]

Tbh i honestly believe think most rebels have got bored. Everyone is just thilfy rich and want to kill people for their entertainmet. Not alot of fun rp weed runs with cops anymore and so on as a rebel. We're all too rich and people view the rebel life as shooty shooty. I think if we were more on the poor side people would value RP considering their not as rich and constantly bored. If players are not occupied, (they're rich) they just go round shooting because its fun when you're rich. However when you're more on the un-wealthy side, shooty shooty is less popular within the rebel community. 

I think prices of guns should be at least doubled and things are more expensive so it forces people to make money rather than logging on to frag people like its some sort of KOTH server...

Oh please Eagle, you've been a shooty-shooty hobo since you joined <3

 

[Harald Jordfreser]

Am i the only one that thinks everything is fine?. Kavala is the big city, and should be a clusterfuck most of the time. Redzone made things alot better, People wanting to kill go to redzone, those who want to RP stay without a gun outside it. I've gone from being robbed every reset 1 year ago, to maybe getting robbed once every other week? Id say those are good statistics.
One thing that has made things worse are NCA\AR numbers. Normal cops RP alot more than NCA \AR. And right now it seems like half the copforce is on NCA\AR Patrols all the time. When you try talking to a AR member, they useually just stand there in silence then run to their cars and drive away.

 

[LONG BEARD]

THIS <3 Half the police have the rulebook so far up their anus that they forget this is a game. They dismiss roleplay as they have a loser complex. As they are the police and are in power they roleplay to make themselves win. Not to reason, or negotiate. I have a written list of police I will sit and roleplay with because I know I'll have fun and a list of people I will just try and stay away from or run away from if need be. 

If I was a police and liked roleplay this is the last thing I would want. 

Well @ricardo sanchez here's the thing many non cop players don't realise or understand. Failure to adhere to the rulebook that's so far up our anuses will result, without compromise, in either dismissal from the police force or a demotion in rank or ranks.

Whilst it may be 'a game' for you, those of us in the police are roleplaying a 'career'. Yes, it's a virtual career, but it's a career that has strict rules and failing to comply with these rules = end of career. Some of us take our virtual career seriously, because after all, the sign on the roleplay.co.uk door does clearly state that this is a 'serious' roleplay community, and the cops are indeed the upholders of that mission statement. Whilst the average player only has to worry about breaking server rules, we have to worry about breaking police rules too. If we fek up, you can guarantee there will be either a player report or a PCC report filed.  

Successfully becoming a police officer requires a great deal of commitment. To rise through the ranks requires an even greater level of commitment. That progression can evaporate in front of your eyes if you do not take the role, or the rule book seriously. We have a duty to take our role as police officers seriously!

Now... I agree, there are times when humor and comedy are required and acceptable, but on the whole, we are trained from day one to take the rule book and our role as roleplayers seriously. If we don't, we get blacklisted and removed from the force.

Ricardo, I think your RP is fantastic, I love interacting with you, but maybe next time when you encounter an officer who's playing it by the book, you'll understand why.

 

[FabioHoeg]

That progression can evaporate in front of your eyes if you do not take the role, or the rule book seriously. We have a duty to take our role as police officers seriously!

I don't agree. The police book states that It's a guideline, and that not everything has to be exactly after the book. 

In real life, police sometimes lets you off with a warning instead of issuing the ticket that Their guidelines tell Them to hand out.

Also on another note - If you as a police officer maintain great rp and a good attitude, then There's probably a smaller chance of getting a complaint for a wrong doing.

If all officers were to go strictly after the handbook, then there would be no way of rping out of situations, reducing your ticket etc. 

Common sense is a factor aswell. Don't just run up to people and say "that vehicle is illegal" and scrap it on site, because this does happen. 

 

[TheRealOutlaw]

I could do a poll for the deterioration of police roleplay. Every time I go on police holiday or play as a civilian 75% of my interactions with the police are rule breaks, violation of police rules or just plain shit. I could say that and then claim it is getting far worse by the week. 

I have noticed many police officers preforming multiple rule breaks during a session, I have also witnessed harsh attitudes towards civilians that is unprofessional for a whitelisted police officer. I know the expectations as I was an SPC.

 

[LONG BEARD]

I don't agree. The police book states that It's a guideline, and that not everything has to be exactly after the book. 

In real life, police sometimes lets you off with a warning instead of issuing the ticket that Their guidelines tell Them to hand out.

Also on another note - If you as a police officer maintain great rp and a good attitude, then There's probably a smaller chance of getting a complaint for a wrong doing.

If all officers were to go strictly after the handbook, then there would be no way of rping out of situations, reducing your ticket etc. 

Common sense is a factor aswell. Don't just run up to people and say "that vehicle is illegal" and scrap it on site, because this does happen. 

Ah ok, you're talking about the roleplay police laws rather than the police rules. The laws, yes we can use our discretion.

That said, personally I think if someone is a committed roleplayer and they're caught having committed a crime, we just insulting their commitment to RP by letting them off with that crime purely because they've RP'd. That's rewarding good RP with bad RP. A genuine, committed roleplayer would expect a police officer to roleplay their job as realistically as possible, even if it means they're going to lose that expensive illegal weapon, get a ticket for speeding, or get sent to prison. It's only RP at the end of the day.  

I think some in this community have forgotten or don't understand that role play is about playing a character that doesn't always win. I see it time and time again when fellow cops reward players by letting them off with crimes purely because the person has made the effort to RP with them. This is an RP server. Players shouldn't be rewarded for RPing, it should be the default. 

Rping your way out of a situation with the cops should always be an option, but in my opinion, since this is supposed to be a serious RP server, that RP should be believable and not some half baked story no one in their right mind would believe. 

 

[Mr Eagle]

Ah ok, you're talking about the roleplay police laws rather than the police rules. The laws, yes we can use our discretion.

That said, personally I think if someone is a committed roleplayer and they're caught having committed a crime, we just insulting their commitment to RP by letting them off with that crime purely because they've RP'd. That's rewarding good RP with bad RP. A genuine, committed roleplayer would expect a police officer to roleplay their job as realistically as possible, even if it means they're going to lose that expensive illegal weapon, get a ticket for speeding, or get sent to prison. It's only RP at the end of the day.  

I think some in this community have forgotten or don't understand that role play is about playing a character that doesn't always win. I see it time and time again when fellow cops reward players by letting them off with crimes purely because the person has made the effort to RP with them. This is an RP server. Players shouldn't be rewarded for RPing, it should be the default. 

Rping your way out of a situation with the cops should always be an option, but in my opinion, since this is supposed to be a serious RP server, that RP should be believable and not some half baked story no one in their right mind would believe. 

Ngl 75% of police role play is shittttt

 

[Vaffla]

Speaking from a constab command perspective, I can see two sides to this. Generally, the lower ranks in the police force are the cause of most police related poor RP, whereas higher ranks are usually much better to deal with if you want actual RP (this is a theme, not an absolute rule). My analysis of this is that lower ranks lack experience, easier to spook and don't like taking risks for fear of being punished, and so they go with the safe options of immediately asking rebels to put their hands up and taking weapons etc.

My position has always been that discretion is what is needed, and that police need to learn to better deploy it. I've been on patrol many times, and all hell can break loose very quickly. My tactic is keeping my weapon away, which while risks me being kidnapped easier, seems to better earn the trust of rebel groups to de-escalate the situation and calm everything down. At the same time, rebels do need to recognise and reward police roleplay. If police lower their weapons first and want to talk, it is worth reconsidering trying to kidnap them or making threats.

Another issue, which I will do my best to address and fix, is there is a lack of mixing of ranks. Generally, CSO to SGTs patrol together, then DSGTs to DIs patrol together, then DIs to CSIs patrol in bunches. It's sad to say it is rare to see a DI or CI on patrol with PCs or SPCs or trainees on a normal patrol. I done an undercover patrol with @Mr kazzrecently and he thought I was a CSO for a while which was rather fun, and I found myself surprisingly happy with the relaxed patrol atmosphere. So my part in this is to patrol more with the junior ranks in the police force and see what I can do to positively influence them to adopt a calmer approach to rebels, in the hope the favour is returned by rebels to the police.

 

[FabioHoeg]

Speaking from a constab command perspective, I can see two sides to this. Generally, the lower ranks in the police force are the cause of most police related poor RP, whereas higher ranks are usually much better to deal with if you want actual RP (this is a theme, not an absolute rule). My analysis of this is that lower ranks lack experience, easier to spook and don't like taking risks for fear of being punished, and so they go with the safe options of immediately asking rebels to put their hands up and taking weapons etc.

My position has always been that discretion is what is needed, and that police need to learn to better deploy it. I've been on patrol many times, and all hell can break loose very quickly. My tactic is keeping my weapon away, which while risks me being kidnapped easier, seems to better earn the trust of rebel groups to de-escalate the situation and calm everything down. At the same time, rebels do need to recognise and reward police roleplay. If police lower their weapons first and want to talk, it is worth reconsidering trying to kidnap them or making threats.

Another issue, which I will do my best to address and fix, is there is a lack of mixing of ranks. Generally, CSO to SGTs patrol together, then DSGTs to DIs patrol together, then DIs to CSIs patrol in bunches. It's sad to say it is rare to see a DI or CI on patrol with PCs or SPCs or trainees on a normal patrol. I done an undercover patrol with @Mr kazzrecently and he thought I was a CSO for a while which was rather fun, and I found myself surprisingly happy with the relaxed patrol atmosphere. So my part in this is to patrol more with the junior ranks in the police force and see what I can do to positively influence them to adopt a calmer approach to rebels, in the hope the favour is returned by rebels to the police.

Honestly, this is not meant in any harmful way, but I do feel like what you're saying is completely different from my side. I think CSO - PC has way better RP than most higher ups, because they're open to scenarios instead of shutting people down when they're are trying to rp. 

I think a lot of higher ups SGT+ feel above everyone else which sometimes causes a few issues - Keep in mind that this is just my opinion. 

Yes, I do know that a lot of higer ups have fantastic RP aswell, but when 50% of SGT+ doesn't wanna bother RP'ing, then it leaves a dent on the  overall police reputation, and don't get me wrong, I respect the police force, and I truly respect everyone who has worked to put it together, but I feel like it could be improved. And when I say improved I mean adjusted. I think that the recruiting has too much focus on handling the scenarios correctly, instead of the RP aspect aswell - Yes I also know that they do focus on RP, but the RP is only based on scenarios, for the FTT that is.

The PA is good. The only improvement I could think of, was to split it into several patrols, let's say 3 at maximum. This would give the academy member, information about how you handle all the different scenarios instead of the few scenarios you can attend during the short 1 - 1:30 hours - During my PA not much was going on, this made it hard to show what I was capable off, and what needed improvement, and honestly, from what the academy member saw, I probably shoudn't have passed, because I had minimal time to show my skills, but I still passed. During the entire time of my PA I got to pull over 4 hobos in total, and still I managed to pass. 

But overall I feel like in an adult RP community, yes everyone should have great rp, but I feel like whitelisted factions need to set examples for the rest of the community. 

No, I wasn't here back when the RP was supposedly worse than it has been for the past few months, but I still feel like the RP has gone down a bit during the 3 - 4 months i've been in the community. 

I might sound stupid to someone, and if so, then that's your opinion - This is not meant in a harmful way. 

 

[Riccardo Walls]

I'll just reiterate that this isn't a moan thread about the police, but one thing I will point out and this is common in my job, when somebody is new at something (CSO, PC) They are young, fresh and tend to be pro-active. If you are used to the same old crap ( Typical shit Civ roleplay) you begin to slope and not be as pro-active and fresh because you are used to the same old. Sometimes I feel that the higher up police are sick of this and cant wait to move off from the situation no matter how creative you try and make it. Having played as the popo on other life servers before ( and PCSO ) on this server I honestly do understand, But when cops get to SPC /DSGT it becomes more about the grind for INS then the roleplay. 

Also @SPC LONG BEARDBy rulebook I meant, the laws ect, Not server rules. What I was pointing out is if I've got a bounty and I get stopped by police and try to rp it out. I tend to get "UNLESS YOU HAVE ID FOR THIS CAR IT WILL BE SCRAPPED". Sometimes it feels like no matter what I try to RP the decision was made before I even pulled over.. 

 

[FabioHoeg]

I'll just reiterate that this isn't a moan thread about the police, but one thing I will point out and this is common in my job, when somebody is new at something (CSO, PC) They are young, fresh and tend to be pro-active. If you are used to the same old crap ( Typical shit Civ roleplay) you begin to slope and not be as pro-active and fresh because you are used to the same old. Sometimes I feel that the higher up police are sick of this and cant wait to move off from the situation no matter how creative you try and make it. Having played as the popo on other life servers before ( and PCSO ) on this server I honestly do understand, But when cops get to SPC /DSGT it becomes more about the grind for INS then the roleplay. 

Also @SPC LONG BEARDBy rulebook I meant, the laws ect, Not server rules. What I was pointing out is if I've got a bounty and I get stopped by police and try to rp it out. I tend to get "UNLESS YOU HAVE ID FOR THIS CAR IT WILL BE SCRAPPED". Sometimes it feels like no matter what I try to RP the decision was made before I even pulled over.. 

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