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Taking Police Hostage (Important) <October15>
- Thread starter Neo
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c4mmm
Well-known member
- Location
- Edinburgh, Scotland
I'm not a fan of this rule at all, taking police hostage can put in a lot of role play to the situation. The last time we had a hostage [Gc] we had a sing off to decide if they would get the hostage back. I enjoyed all the times we took police hostage. And it seemed like they were slightly entertained when we did take them.
Elakin
Back from the dead
so we cannot ziptie an officer under any condition? Not even for our own safety as we for example steal their guns/car/kidnap someone else/sell drugs so they cop cannot retaliate? I think as long as they're not restrained and demands are given or they're not taken anywhere it should be allowed. I would hardly call restraining a cop in the centre of kavala so I can sell drugs a 'hostage'.
Andres Martinez
Well-known member
- Location
- belgium
SO you would find it fun to be restrained by a police officer and then get put in his car while he does his patrol route aka his job.
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PeachMaster
Destroyer of Apples
- Location
- Sweden
I dont know why you lot are complaining.
Most of you were here during the last no cop hostage thingy and it went, so whats all the fuss about now?
Most of you were here during the last no cop hostage thingy and it went, so whats all the fuss about now?
Riku
The worst hobo
- Location
- Finland
Pilatus344
Well-known member
- Location
- Norrway
i have found my self siting in a cop car for 45 minutes once because they "had" to deal with something rather important and am fine with it because a officers life is ofc more important then sending a person in your car to prison at the moment. its the way it would been irl and thats how it sould be here has well. ofc i see how it might "ruin" your plans of what your about too do, but its a risk you have to consider if your willing to take.
and that's the risk i feel cops should feel has well wen they go on patrole because it would make them to value there lifes and not just run in and either hope it goes well or it to be a shoot out, at least with that we have a 3rd option that will let us all live if everything goes well.
Also a point of wive have you considered that maybe one of many reasons that Rebels done really roleplay well wen taking cop hostage is that they know the cops wont negotiate and will go for the kill so soon as they know how many rebels there are and were they are. Has the rule says they should value there lifes. yet going for tho shoot out were like a lot of cops and rebels dies isnt valuing life is it?
So knowing there is hope for negotiating would result in the hostage takers to take care of there hostage because he/she is there way of freedome and money. however there is nothing saying that after the trade the cops can try to go for the rubbering or kill once they have the officer back and they can do it without losing officerrs.
[SIZE=14.6667px]"The number one[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]priority is the safety and wellbeing of human life. A priority that may differ from a the rebels’ it is important that the Police act in ways that reduce the risk to life for everyone involved. Every situation will be different and it will mean that Police will have to prioritise different groups at different times, these may dynamically change as the operation progresses so it is important that Officers are communicating properly and are fully aware and understanding of the situations they are involved in."[/SIZE]
however thats a bit off the topic.
However making so taking a cop hostage isnt really wort more then just the roleplay might be a way of doing it?
Make a public prize system that rebels might ask for if they have a cop hostage, ill show an example:
PC - £5,000 - £10,000
SPC - £15,000 - £25,000
SGT - £35,000 - £45,000
DSGT - £50,000 - £70,000
INS - £70,000 - £90,000
DI - £100,000 - £150,000
CI - £150,000 - £225,000
SI - £225,000 - £300,000
CSI - £300,000 - £500,000
This would make so most people would not go for low cops for randsom, and its harder to catch a high ranking officer has they are more rare.
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Gazalad
Well-known member
- Location
- the Land of Banter
If you ziptie anyone police officer or not, by law, you are detaining them (1a) and not allowing them to do any act (such as safely walking away) (1b).
Your reason for detaining cops "so I can sell drugs" is the very definition of hostage taking. You're detaining an officer and not allowing him his free will.
Mycaelis
Yeastological Expert
- Location
- Milton Keynes
What about telling them to put their hands on their heads and just sit there till we're done.
My point is, you're limiting us to telling cops to leave, or just shooting them. And I fear that 95% of gangs / people will take the latter.
I would prefer to not take a cops life, unless I have to, and if I can't tell a cop to just sit still and do nothing until the situation is over, then my options are very limited.
I understand the problem is that gangs taking hostages, etc, poor RP, executions, I get that.
I just want to make sure that there is an option where I can keep an officer alive, without telling him to leave the area.
With this, it might only be 5 mins max, feels like a better option for both sides than the cop just being killed.
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If I ziptie a cop and bring to my home in the woods because I am lonely and need someone to talk, that in not taking him hostage because I am not demanding anything in return.
Elakin
Back from the dead
did I say that? Who would like that? But it happens, and it's allowed. It's part of the game. I've played both cop and rebel and it happens there should not be a rule against that at all. Hostage taking maybe yeah, ut restraining altogether is too ridiculous.
alright, fair enough. However, we both know Gaz, it's gonna lead to so many more gunfights, less RP and then multiple threads from cops complaining gangs are being too hostile because you can restrain us but we can't restrain you in any way.
as I mentioned, I half-agree with the hostage part. But I seriously believe not being allowed to restrain a cop is just a joke.
we both know allowing a cop to 'walk away safely' simply means I'm gonna get peppered with rubbers as soon as I turn my back because 80% of SPCs and downwards don't consider rubber bullets RDM because they don't kill and then are able to restrain us and send us to jail.
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- Location
- A Cave, United Kingdom
I think the long term plan needs to be released pretty quickly, From being a rebel in the past if we were doing an illegal activity and a cop or several of them came along we would need to control them usually by restraining them whilst we do our business, we didn't want anything in return and as soon as we did what we wanted to do they were released, now Gazalad is saying this is now against the rules? Could an admin clairfy whether controlling an officer whilst doing illegal activities is against the rules please? As an officer myself I do not want to report someone for this as it seems extremely unfair to me.
-Vixxy
-Vixxy
KevinP
Certified Roleplayer
- Location
- Luimneach, Éire.
I don't mind getting taken hostage from time to time, but you using the excuse saying "it's going to make RP worse" is bullshit. I have been taken hostage by Marmite Miners on multiple occasions and had an absolute blast, but then you get taken hostage by assholes who just want money (or to seem powerful), they don't talk to you, when they do they just act like a complete knobhead, and they take everything way too seriously. I agree with this rule, but am also in a disagreement with the fact that lovely @Sycorax can't take me hostage anymore.
Elakin
Back from the dead
this used to exist, but the prices were MUCH higher, I think Maratek was worth about £3million.
KevinP
Certified Roleplayer
- Location
- Luimneach, Éire.
[SIZE=14.6667px]PC[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]- £75,000 - £250,000 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]SPC[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] - £150,000 - £375,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]SGT[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]- £275,000 - £500,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]DSGT[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]- £400,000 - £625,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]INS[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]- £525,000 - £750,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]DI[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]- £650,000 - £900,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]CI[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]- £775,000 - £1,025,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]SI[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]- £900,000 - £1,150,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]CSI[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]- £1,025,000 - £2,000,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]CMDR[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] - £3,000,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]Mayor[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] - £2,500,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]Government Official[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] - £180,000 - £500,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]Civilian[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] - £10,000 - £50,000[/SIZE]
Elakin
Back from the dead
- Location
- Wirral
i have to say this is ruining so many elements of roleplay, its going to limit the possibillity of so many different situations, i strongly disagree with this, can rebel ''respawn'' when we get arrested because in essence its the same thing? surely as an adult community we shouldnt have one rule for one group and not the other
Pilatus344
Well-known member
- Location
- Norrway
Thats exactly what i mean it should not look like. if the prices on cops are that high everyone will go after them. but if you lower it it wont really be worth the risk. it will be like the gas stations, they arnt really worth it but it happens people rob them for the roleplay.
So it should be with cops too, not worth it considering the risk. but it should pay off on roleplay if conducted right
So it should be with cops too, not worth it considering the risk. but it should pay off on roleplay if conducted right