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Reduce payouts on Sanitation jobs (Bins)

LiK

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Ah, yes, probably a lot of people will not like this and a lot of others will.

Anyway, I'll keep this suggestion as short as possible.

currently, you have EVERYONE, doing bins... huge payouts, no risk, bye bye economy.
I don't even remember when was the last time I saw anyone sell drugs... and why would they? not as profitable and won't get arrested :ROFLMAO:


For the RP, Due to the amount of people who have been "bin-ing" lately, the streets are sparking clean and you can eat off the floors behind TireNutz which was full of Alex's waste :)poop:).
Aaaaand as there's nothing left to clean, the government has decided to reduce the payout due to this and that and what-not.

Reduce the pay by 20%-30%? make it less profitable than Drugs at the very least (making drugs pay more won't solve it :whistle: )
 
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100% yes. I don't see how anyone can actually see the bins payout as even remotely balanced. You drive a mechanic truck from impound up to paleto and make 10k (takes around 10 mins, after loading and unloading etc) , you do taxi jobs for an hour and make between 80-100k, drugs is just pointless. You do bins for an hour... you make what 200/300k?
 
I'll give it a +1 I think it needs a lower, money is kinda flooding into the city with it

Have to start to tax people's earnings 😂

But yea there is to much funding from the bins and it shows, people telling me how that made 10mil in a week, I have been here 3 years and never had that much in my account
 
+1 with a boost to the drug profits. This was suggested before, and I still think it's valid.
 
I think the pay is good! but the only thing that is stopping other people earning money through other jobs is having players clock on for a 4 man and having one do it!! i do think the pay is fair if doing it as a group but when doing it on your own its just stupid!! i personally do 2 man bin runs a lot with Jayden and we earn just over 125k an hour!!
 
MrTurn1p said:
I think the pay is good! but the only thing that is stopping other people earning money through other jobs is having players clock on for a 4 man and having one do it!! i do think the pay is fair if doing it as a group but when doing it on your own its just stupid!! i personally do 2 man bin runs a lot with Jayden and we earn just over 125k an hour!!
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Takes one/two people 15-17 minutes (without searching the bins) to complete the 2man jobs, that's over 130k an hour, compare that to any other job, Taxi, Food deliveries or anything else really - it's crazy.
and that's without the bonuses of doing Bin's for the whole restart.
Probs can do it faster and more efficiently Min-Maxing it as well like nearly everybody does :ROFLMAO:

People boast about getting over 10-20m in a week or two....

Saying that's fair? yeah, cause everybody can do it, but on the server's economy? not sure much.
 
I Personally think that the bin payout is balanced, you need people to do it with as a group and it isn't always as simple as making 1 phone call and getting people to do it with you, there has been times where its taken quite a while for me to find somebody to do bins with, with Steve Stacy's 200-300k an hour i know it sounds mental but it really isn't that, i usually get like 125-150k an hour and Ive also sold drugs on the side and I'd say its less that 100k an hour, i do personally think that Gordon's idea to boost the drug profits are a good idea, its high risk and not much reward, Drug selling should be one of the highest paying things in my opinion because of the high risk of getting caught, and then the drugs getting taken from you and usually a fine ontop of it.
 
MrTurn1p said:
I think the pay is good! but the only thing that is stopping other people earning money through other jobs is having players clock on for a 4 man and having one do it!! i do think the pay is fair if doing it as a group but when doing it on your own its just stupid!! i personally do 2 man bin runs a lot with Jayden and we earn just over 125k an hour!!
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Most other jobs are like 80k a hour bins Is like 50% higher payout

I did some with a mate and we did 3 runs in a hour 2man and got 60k each run that's 180k a hour

I don't personally do bin runs anymore
 
Unless I've misunderstood -1
IMO for the effort you put into a 4 man 40 bin job the pay is fair. I think drugs could almost definitely use a bit of a buff. That way all the "badman" crims may end up selling drugs instead of rolling round the city in bin lorries.

Bins pay fine, buff drugs/illegal crim stuff 🤝
 
LiK said:
Takes one/two people 15-17 minutes (without searching the bins) to complete the 2man jobs, that's over 130k an hour, compare that to any other job, Taxi, Food deliveries or anything else really - it's crazy.
and that's without the bonuses of doing Bin's for the whole restart.
Probs can do it faster and more efficiently Min-Maxing it as well like nearly everybody does :ROFLMAO:

People boast about getting over 10-20m in a week or two....

Saying that's fair? yeah, cause everybody can do it, but on the server's economy? not sure much.
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Lets put it like this then! Its a game and we come here to have fun... yes its roleplay and things take time to get.. but not everyone has time for stuff like that! i think the pay is fair and the people that do bins a lot will end up with loads of money! same goes for any other Jobs out there
 
-1 I would say, maybe taxi doesn't need reducing but other ways need fixing.

Finally there's a legal way to make money, AS a group that people actually enjoy - So why take that away? If people are concerned about making money other ways, then we need to look at the price of drugs, risk vs reward and monitor that.

Trucking used to be such a big money in the server, then taxi runs. And now they are both dead because they've been nerfed. Let's not have another job in city, that get's nerfed and becomes obsolete again.


LiK said:
currently, you have EVERYONE, doing bins
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It's giving something to do, and if we take this away, people are going to get bored again and suddenly the question will be "Where is everyone? Nobody plays anymore".
 
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I think it all needs some sort of rebalance, I like the idea of earning a bit more than before but at the moment its a bit too much. I want there to be more incentive to do drugs and other legal jobs instead of thinking "Need money? Bin"
 
If we think of what the next best option for legal work was before bins - it would most likely be taxi.

The best paid job for sheer amount would be from city to Paleto, usually paying around £8k-£10k roughly?

It takes maybe 5 minutes from city to get to Paleto, but then you have the arse ache of finding another fare so say a job takes maximum around 10 minutes from fare to next fare, so at it's best under ideal circumstances, the extrap on taxi is around £80,000-£100,000 per hour. (On a non modified car)

If considering this, I don't think that the bin wage is the issue here, as refuse collectors are typically paid better than non private hire taxi drivers.

(Some could argue that a fare popping up around a corner is hardly 'flagging down' a taxi, but the private hire aspect imo is typically jobs from other players, which more often than not pay more, although a rarity.)

I think the biggest problem here is that for criminals - why would you sell drugs? The risk is no longer worth the reward.

You'll not get pulled by police if you're doing a bin job and driving normally - the only other risk is the elements or potentially other gangs approaching you - which was already a risk with dealing anyway.

Non criminal players need a way to make good money too - so by nerfing the bin job pay, you won't be affecting the criminals, only the civvies.

I think that realistically - drugs need a huge buff, with the yield on efficient sales far exceeding any legal work. Pulling a figure out of my arse here, but lets say £250,000 per hour.

The responsibility for the consequences of drug deals also does come down to the policing side of the city, there have been many a times where I've seen or had police just simply drive by when people are on their own, outnumbered but selling in the usual hot spots. Maybe the city needs a harsher "war on drugs"?

One of the biggest appeals of doing bin jobs though is the social aspect, you can chat with others etc - so why not make a similar mechanic for drug sales? A round of drug drops all over the city, which needs multiple criminals in order to complete for reasons. Maybe some sales can turn hostile, maybe some locations also flag up on police by a 'tip off' before the criminals reach that point, like a set up - this should in theory result in more police/crim RP.

It would also squash the monotony of driving the same patches selling the same drug to the same npc's.
 
+1 .. and Joe proved it was not balenced at all from his video he made. in the comments here. you get twice as much for 2 more mins. Cause you do it "solo" but having 3 other peoples paypals. its an exploit IMO buh yeah its killed all other legal and non legal jobs and gang turfs are all dead. It is ruining RP interactions cause everyone is doing bins and no one to RP with. It does 100% need a balance!
 
Yelanis said:
It's giving something to do, and if we take this away, people are going to get bored again and suddenly the question will be "Where is everyone? Nobody plays anymore".
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in my opinion the mindset youre thinking players are in is incorrect, theyre not doing it cause its "something to do" like its giving them something to roleplay with on the server cause if that was the case we would see people doing a variety of jobs when theyre bored and want something to do, people do it because it pays the most money. yeah it may be a case of oh its something to do but the issue here is theyre choosing doing bins over anything else purely because of the pay.

100% I think things need to be rebalanced and reworked but honestly I don't think increasing the payout of jobs more to match is the move here as if anything that will slowly just inflate the economy even more as currently even right now its ridiculous, well get to a point where players will have bank accounts like a roblox tycoon game with billions in because jobs and drugs keep having to get higher payouts and increases to balance them with eachother more, gonna have a smoothie selling for £1.2k a peice XD (obviously an exaggeration but i hope you see what im getting at)

The massive issue is no matter what balances are done the damage is already done hundreds of millions are already in the economy from the new job and it could take months or even longer for people to burn through that money and wear down long time players bank accounts, crims 100% need some better money makers but I do also think cutting down the bin job pay would be beneficial as while its true what Pete said
Pete said:
Non criminal players need a way to make good money too - so by nerfing the bin job pay, you won't be affecting the criminals, only the civvies.
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currently were at a point where civvies are making more money individually in UNDER A WEEK from a binman job than some BUSINESSES make in a month, theres no building up to earning this high pay, they havent gone through promotions, heavy rp, building a business, or working as an employee in a certain job for a long time to get better pay, a brand new player can earn this while not roleplaying, but just socialising while doing a bin job. If we see better pay for crims I think there will be an explosion of new gangs and some awesome rp from crim groups as it opens up a bunch of new stuff for them to invest time into but I dont feel the same should be said for legal jobs like the bin job.

Bin jobs are a great step forward in the idea of integrating more legal jobs that require rp and human interaction as truthfully a vast majority of legal jobs on the server include interacting with npcs and thats it, but the issue is people will always min-max and its quickly gone from the first few days people actually working together on jobs which was great to see now back to people focusing on big earning over roleplay.

I personally wouldnt mind a slightly higher pay specifically for jobs that require you to rp and talk with other players and lower paying jobs being jobs where you can just chuck on some music and go into autopilot mentally like taxi. this would make people focus on higher paying jobs WHILE increasing the roleplay and human interaction on the server.
 
Nikki Nixon said:
Cause you do it "solo" but having 3 other peoples paypals. its an exploit IMO buh yeah its killed all other legal and non legal jobs and gang turfs are all dead. It is ruining RP interactions cause everyone is doing bins and no one to RP with. It does 100% need a balance!
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+1 Completely agree with Nikki
 
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