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Killing people who killed my gangmate.

XSoCuteR

XSoCuteR

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I've got a question.

A buddy of mine was who i was gonna pick up got robbed and killed by 2 people in a chopper while i drove by. As i saw what happened i drove 100 meters further, parked my car and sneaked up to the 2 people who killed my friend. Before they killed him they threatened to shoot anyone who would approach them. As one of em got into the chopper i shot the other guy and fired a few rounds at the chopper aswell. They both accused me of RDM while i saw everything happen and snuk up on them. 

Did i do something wrong or should i engage RP by talking and get shot in the face?

Btw, if they were more aware they coulda seen me park the car aswell.

 
The short answer: NO!

There is nothing wrong helping a freind who is currently getting robbed/killed.. they should have been more careful from the very beginning to see if the guy they are robbing did have freinds in the area, what you have experienced ma' freind is good old salt.

 
Actually it is, unless your friend has indicated your in the area you shouldn't fire, even if they kill him, as they have no idea of an external threat. 

 
I was there. Myself and feyzi [The One you killed]

All i said was be careful.. As for one feyzi didnt do anything as i said, He had just woken up . Was waiting for the server to restart as it was 10 mins to restart. Went around talking to people.. to which another situation happened next to him that he wasnt involved you . You shot him, I understand it was your friend getting robbed by the guys in the heli but they had already left at this point. In turn you shot him. Without an initiation. We understood you werent trying to rdm and it was just bad timing, Hence why i said just be careful because some people would get mad at the situation.

We didnt get mad as we understood you thought we were with the "bad guys" in the heli.

But as i said previously. We werent involved and you shot one of us without saying a word. Im not shit talking now nor at the time. Just be careful about who you shoot. Because he wasnt involved.

 
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Madmatt150 said:
Actually it is, unless your friend has indicated your in the area you shouldn't fire, even if they kill him, as they have no idea of an external threat. 
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:/ Soo... Irl if you see somebody shoot your friend, and you had the capablility to shoot them, would you walk up to them and say: "Oh hello there! I just saw you shot my friend! I just want you to know that I am around and I am going to shoot you in revenge!"

I know I will not do that... The guys who shot his friend could expect to be shot at when they shot at his friend...

But that is just my opinion.

 
puppy1004 said:
:/ Soo... Irl if you see somebody shoot your friend, and you had the capablility to shoot them, would you walk up to them and say: "Oh hello there! I just saw you shot my friend! I just want you to know that I am around and I am going to shoot you in revenge!"

I know I will not do that... The guys who shot his friend could expect to be shot at when they shot at his friend...

But that is just my opinion.
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As much as everyone tries to compare the server to real life, situations like this don't really fit in - in real life, there ARE mass murderers who go around killing people - do you think they 'initiate' on someone before killing them? No. As much as the server is about realism, everyone still likes situations to be fair to all sides - if someone was being robbed and they had guys in the area who are ready to shoot the robbers as soon as they shoot the person, then the person must make that known, otherwise it could be seen as baiting. That sort of sounds like what happened in this situation from a quick skim.

 
Miiiikkel said:
The short answer: NO!

There is nothing wrong helping a freind who is currently getting robbed/killed.. they should have been more careful from the very beginning to see if the guy they are robbing did have freinds in the area, what you have experienced ma' freind is good old salt.




 
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but make sure it's not been 5 min after the last shot was fired.

 
puppy1004 said:
:/ Soo... Irl if you see somebody shoot your friend, and you had the capablility to shoot them, would you walk up to them and say: "Oh hello there! I just saw you shot my friend! I just want you to know that I am around and I am going to shoot you in revenge!"

I know I will not do that... The guys who shot his friend could expect to be shot at when they shot at his friend...

But that is just my opinion.
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Had an incident similar to this, we killed a guy (by accident) after a chase. 10 seconds later we get dropped by buddies in the area, support said it was RDM as we had no idea they were there. 

 
This is just my opinion, but the act of killing your friend is initiation on anyone in your gang. You had no need to engage in any RP in that situation as long as it was done in the given time of around 3 to 5 minutes and you never lost eyes on the perps. 

 
From what I understand of the situation you weren't involved and they weren't aware of anyone else nearby...

If a cop tasers a guy his friend can't just kill the cop without saying anything unless his friend has IMPLIED or said that the consequence of such interaction will result in death of the officers.. same applies for this situation; if your friend is getting robbed and hasn't stated that the robbers will die by either him or an external source then it's RDM on your part.

 
Samatlewiss said:
From what I understand of the situation you weren't involved and they weren't aware of anyone else nearby...

If a cop tasers a guy his friend can't just kill the cop without saying anything unless his friend has IMPLIED or said that the consequence of such interaction will result in death of the officers.. same applies for this situation; if your friend is getting robbed and hasn't stated that the robbers will die by either him or an external source then it's RDM on your part.
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i think there needs to be an under lying rule here because i have seen this multiple times in game and one which resulted in some one being banned

 
Okay, im gonna clarify the situation a bit more.

While my friend was getting robbed he said he was gonna get picked up by me. I was driving past at the time and the guy with a big gun was walking towards me but i drove off like a 100m. I dont know what my friend said after that against the robbers but they knew i was in the area. And if they payed more attention to the area or me they coulda seen me park my car 100m ahead and walk trough the houses towards them. I did lose sight of everthing what happened for a few secs but later saw my friend dead on the ground and 1 or 2 guys got back in the chopper. The other guy who had a big gun was still standing there. Atleast i think he was. And thats the guy who i shot.

And here comes the 2end problem...

As Joeybwoi stated in the forum here.

feyzi got shot by me. I wasnt to sure it was him or another guy shooting my friend. But he looked the same as the guy who robbed/killed my friend. This happened because i lost line of sight for a view secs of the targets while i was walking trough the houses. My friend wasnt to sure who killed him either and we gave feyzi back his gear. Atleast his gun cause his clothes magicly dissapeared :S.  feyzi said he just spawned in, apperently heard shots and went to see what happened. 

Btw, im willing to compensate for the missing gear if u read this/ tho im still not sure about who killed my friend lol. 

Wich again, imo its not a good idea to go to a spot where recently shots have been fired and people are dead on the ground. You dont know what you're walking into. For instance, if there is a gang vs gang war going on, u look the same as all the other people from the gangs. You'r prolly gonna get shot if u walk into a heated fight.

Im not trying to get into yes/no converstation. I just wanna learn the game about whats appriopiate and what not. Im only playing this game for like a week i think.

I've seen allot of people use recording to capture what happened. Does Arma3 have a build in recorder or do i need to keep shadowplay on recording the whole time? The problem with that is that my computer can run Arma3 great, but im not to sure what will happen if i keep my recording running :(

 
When you pull the trigger on anyone on our server you must be 100% sure in your mind that that person and anyone near them know why they have been shot. You killed someone who had zero interaction with you. If people started killing each other just because they saw them kill others the server would go to shit real fast.

 
Ì wasnt shooting someone who just randomly shot someone else. I shot the guy who killed my friend while my friend gave a warning his gangmembers were near and robbing/killing him would result in retaliation by the gang. Wich i did. That i shot another guy who looked 100% the same as the person who shot my friend was a mistake. Its a bit hard aswell since almost everyone looks the same on the server. 

Thats why i said its not a good idea when u hear gunfire to walk around there. As i stated in my previous post. ~  Wich again, imo its not a good idea to go to a spot where recently shots have been fired and people are dead on the ground. You dont know what you're walking into. For instance, if there is a gang vs gang war going on, u look the same as all the other people from the gangs. You'r prolly gonna get shot if u walk into a heated fight.

Or should i when in a gangfight, talk to every single person i dont know to ask them while they have masks on if they are in the gang we fighting? Im gonna get shot instantly i know that. Ive looked over allot of reports here on forum to give me an idea what the rules imply aswell. And i saw a recording of a gang vs gang fight and people just randomly shoot each other. No talking there. If i went in there with the gear those guys had i woulda get shot aswell, no talking or RP there.

Long story short. > Can i shoot people who rob/kill my gang when my gang warns them there are gangmembers near who will engage on aggression???

Ill try to record stuff from now on aswell. So if ever another situation happens were people dont agree i know the admins will take necessary steps but i just wanna know i handled correctly. That an innocent guy got shot was just a mistake that could have been prevented by me aswell as him.

 
Hmm... when I was in the police, if a college was killed near to me, yet the criminals had not seen me, orders are given by every cop nearby to shoot. Yet for some reason when a non-police officer does it it's RDM? Seems like a double standard?

I personally believe what Madmatt is saying. The crim must be aware of an external threat before you can open fire. If in doubt, speak to them. That being said I see it done SO often I was unaware it was actually RDM until reading this post.

 
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