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Hostage situation

#RPeverything 

some hours for a life time ?, i think if you are in a real life situation i rather chose life  then a bullet in the head, 

 

 
So let them go... By killing them you only make the police think you are killing everyone for no reason and the police will then prepare to assault the the hostage takers as they are obviously showing little care for the lives of the people they have hostages.

And there is a lot easier way to end the situation, Let them go.

I started off giving you the benefit of the doubt with the situation but it seems you were your own downfall as you have laid out for us...

 
#RPeverything 

some hours for a life time ?, i think if you are in a real life situation i rather chose life  then a bullet in the head, 
I know man, but if it takes too long you sometimes need to kill a hostage to settle pressure on the police.

Maybe this hostage was shit then. Ok. I'll try to take lead in a hostage situation and be the negotiator. Then I can have a clear view on the situation because now I miss parts and then I can at least see what and where it goes wrong.

 
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I know man, but if it takes to long you sometimes need to kill a hostage to settle pressure on the police.

Maybe this hostage was shit then. Ok. I'll try to take lead in a hostage situation and be the negotiator. Then I can have a clear view on the situation because now I miss parts and then I can at least see what and where it goes wrong.
I look forward to it, and please don't piss around with fake hostages. If you want to be taken seriously then do it properly and RP Everything. 

If you are hostile, I'm sure you know what to expect.

If you are reasonable then I'm sure you will experience some better results.

 
One of the biggest problems is the money comes out of an individuals pocket. If we had one big police pot where all our bounties and tickets and search money went into, similar to gang funds, then it would be a lot easier for you guys to win the situation. Also, another big problem is that when civs get taken hostage it can get a bit fishy I will use something that happened a few nights ago as an example.

Rebels take 2 civs hostage on top of on office building, a 3rd civ then voluntarily went up the ladder as a 3rd hostage (Like an idiot). The rebels demand of 100k was met and the hostages were released, whilst the rebels flee'd the area via a heli. As the heli flew away the volunteered hostage then drew a weapon gunning down a police man, moments after we saved him...

What I personally recommend is guidelines, a set of rules that are decided upon via admins, senior police and gang leaders.   
LOL yea i was the master mind behind this .. tbh the hostage that shot you guys after you saved him had a legitimate case of Stockholm syndrome lol... honestly.

I agree with you i didnt know that it came out of the individuals pocket directly... no wonder its so hard to get money when having hostage situations... maybe as you said the police had a gang fund than perhaps we would get paid for these things... i mean common we are trying to make an effort to RP'ing so why not reward us...

 
The first thing I noticed is how most of the rebels say: "police should value their lives as much as we do". I believe we have to value it twice as much as you do. Countless times I have seen a rebel who's in a car straight in front of me while I'm holding a gun at their face either start slowly backing the car up so they can leave or just starting to drive, because usually people wont shoot them (3 minute rule) This is NOT role play. Another one that I have noticed EVERY rebel do is when a police officer catches them having a gun out and yell out: "POLICE DROP THE WEAPON" first reaction is to look where the police officer is, then wonder for 2 seconds about the situation and start running to cover (because most police officers want to give you a chance of RP instead of just shooting you like they should).

I really am going to start shooting rebels who try to run to a better cover when i tell them to drop a weapon, I'm sick and tired of watching rebels not value their lives when an officer is ALREADY pointing a gun at them. 

 
LOL yea i was the master mind behind this .. tbh the hostage that shot you guys after you saved him had a legitimate case of Stockholm syndrome lol... honestly.

I agree with you i didnt know that it came out of the individuals pocket directly... no wonder its so hard to get money when having hostage situations... maybe as you said the police had a gang fund than perhaps we would get paid for these things... i mean common we are trying to make an effort to RP'ing so why not reward us...
You have to realize that the amount of hostage situations a day (about 3-5) and the amount they want (200k - 1m) for a hostage is RIDICULOUS. Why can't you just ask for a crumpets? tea? 5k max? We have NO PROBLEM letting you guys go if you ask for a crumpet or 5k for each hostage you have - absolutely none.

 
So let them go... By killing them you only make the police think you are killing everyone for no reason and the police will then prepare to assault the the hostage takers as they are obviously showing little care for the lives of the people they have hostages.

And there is a lot easier way to end the situation, Let them go.

I started off giving you the benefit of the doubt with the situation but it seems you were your own downfall as you have laid out for us...
I'm sorry i have to disagree.

iv'e had situations where me and my team have taken hostages and demanded money and the police didn't pay up they just kept giving excuses till they got enough guys geared up and in position to assault us...

In fact the only time we were ever paid was when i had to kill a hostage, only because the police kept saying they wont pay, i even lowered the asking amount.

 
Proposed "Hostage" Ruleset:

1A: The Hostage(s) must NOT be a member of or associated with the gang taking a hostage. It must be a legitimate hostage being grabbed off the street.

1B: The rebels MUST negotiate with the police.

1C: The police negotiator can take NO enemy action towards the gang taking the hostage(s).

1D: The rebels can take NO enemy action towards the police negotiator.

1E: CSO's and PCSO's are NOT to be taken hostage.

1F: UNMC Privates are NOT to be taken hostage.

1G: Police negotiators must be SPC or higher.

(Please tell me if you like this ruleset)

 
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You have to realize that the amount of hostage situations a day (about 3-5) and the amount they want (200k - 1m) for a hostage is RIDICULOUS. Why can't you just ask for a crumpets? tea? 5k max? We have NO PROBLEM letting you guys go if you ask for a crumpet or 5k for each hostage you have - absolutely none.
in my opinion we dont demand load of money for profit.. but merely to cover the gear and weapons we will most likely loose once the fire fight between police engages.. speaking on behalf of my gang getting involved in these sort of situations is for the RP if we want to make money u can do it selling product. i just think it will get people to do it more and actually get people to make an effort to RP the situation. 

 
@ btw the hostage situation I was talking about was not with fake ones. I took 3/4 civs out of kavala myself. :D

@Ciaran sounds good in my eyes.

 
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You have to realize that the amount of hostage situations a day (about 3-5) and the amount they want (200k - 1m) for a hostage is RIDICULOUS. Why can't you just ask for a crumpets? tea? 5k max? We have NO PROBLEM letting you guys go if you ask for a crumpet or 5k for each hostage you have - absolutely none.
in my opinion we don't demand load of money for profit.. but merely to cover the gear and weapons we will most likely loose once the fire fight between police engages.. speaking on behalf of my gang getting involved in these sort of situations is for the RP if we want to make money u can do it selling product. i just think it will get people to do it more and actually get people to make an effort to RP the situation. 

 
Proposed "Hostage" Ruleset:

1A: The Hostage(s) must NOT be a member of the gang taking a hostage. It must be a legit hostage being grabbed off the street

1B: The rebels MUST negotiate with the police.

1C: The police negotiator can take NO enemy action towards the gang taking the hostage(s).

1D: The rebels can take NO enemy action towards the police negotiator.

1E: CSO's and PCSO's are NOT to be taken hostage.

1F: UNMC Privates are NOT to be taken hostage.

(Please tell me if you like this ruleset)
Please add that negotiator HAS TO BE SPC or higher. (it's already a police rule)

 
@Ciaran Slight reword

Proposed "Hostage" Ruleset:

1A: The Hostage(s) must NOT be a member of or associated with the gang taking a hostage. It must be a legitimate hostage being grabbed off the street

1B: The rebels MUST negotiate with the police.

1C: The police negotiator can take NO hostile action towards the gang taking the hostage(s).

1D: The rebels can take NO hostile action towards the police negotiator.

1E: CSO's and PCSO's are NOT to be taken hostage.

1F: UNMC Privates are NOT to be taken hostage.

I feel it is somewhat stating the obvious with the exception of E & F, but I have been here long enough to understand it is often yet unfortunately required...

 
Updated with Simon's fixes.

 
I don't like that we're forced to negotiate with police. Frankly in real life a kidnap is just a prelude to a murder and it should be here as well.

 
@DI Simon @Ciaran

I disagree with 1F, the unmc were only supposed to recruit the best of RPers, therefore I disagree.

The police are training CSO/PCSOs to increase RP

 
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I'm sorry i have to disagree.

iv'e had situations where me and my team have taken hostages and demanded money and the police didn't pay up they just kept giving excuses till they got enough guys geared up and in position to assault us...

In fact the only time we were ever paid was when i had to kill a hostage, only because the police kept saying they wont pay, i even lowered the asking amount.
I have no problem that hostages are killed, I am taking issue with the fact that they were killed because they thought it had been too long, poor role-play IMO...

 
I don't like that we're forced to negotiate with police. Frankly in real life a kidnap is just a prelude to a murder and it should be here as well.
In this situation I doubt you would be texting the police telling us you want some money for him... Although I am not condoning that as it sounds like a terrible RP situation...

 
@DI Simon @Ciaran

I disagree with 1F, the unmc were only supposed to recruit the best of RPers, therefore I disagree.

The police are training CSO/PCSOs to increase RP
Well... they are training aswell you know...

 
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