Hostage situation

[Ali E]

The hostage situations are useless and completely 0 RP from the cops they never try to negotiate they just stall us till the negotiator spots all of our positions and then pew pew pew. When we demand money from them they dont bring or transfer the money. Whats the point of taking hostage if were not goingg to take anything for them? Cops doesnt care about the hostages they just try to shoot everyone they see and thats not should be the way cops are handling the hostage situation i am not telling that they should always pay the money but they should sometime we had 8 hostages today we killed them 1 by 1 and the negotiators just watch them die till they discover all of the rebels in the area. Cops should care more about hostage situation and try to handle it with more delicatly. When we hold hostage we should have a real leverage against the cops not give them time to spot everyone and kill all the rebels in the area at all costs

 

[Ben_Banned]

And this is why cops shouldn't get their gear for free.

This is EXACTLY the same thing that happens every time you do a bank job.

 

[Wilco]

Good post but its going to fall on deaf ears here... Do you want me to move it to the police complaints commission ?

 

[Stealthee]

Think it would be good for a discussion.

 

[Wilco]

And this is why cops shouldn't get their gear for free.

This is EXACTLY the same thing that happens when you try to do the bank job.

Go and be a cop for a while and see how many times you either get RDM'ed by hobos, If we was to give cops gear free we would have to give them bountys and the searching of drug money back.

This would mean cops earning millions... I think 1 cop got upto 70 million last time it was like this

 

[Wilco]

Think it would be good for a discussion.

Discuss it then, The cops will not comment on it unless its in the police complaints commission, They have taken on board a vast number of new recruits in a time we have been working hard to give training (hours upon hours)

If you want to discuss that and cause another forum war before those changes are even finished then its going to help no one.

Either provide a video showing evidence so the police who was there can be spoke to about RP via the correct channels or don't say anything a tall

The police are without there armed response unit at the moment which is still in progress that will contain the best role-players in the police along with the best shooters.

Everyone needs to help each other otherwise we are going to go around in circles with nothing improving.

 

[Ben_Banned]

Go and be a cop for a while and see how many times you either get RDM'ed by hobos, If we was to give cops gear free we would have to give them bountys and the searching of drug money back.

This would mean cops earning millions... I think 1 cop got upto 70 million last time it was like this

What about larger paychecks and just a small % from the bounty money? even if it is 5%-10% it would still be enough to pay for gear, It is just frustrating when cops don't have to value their life as much because of the gear being free.

 

[Simon-]

Go and be a cop for a while and see how many times you either get RDM'ed by hobos, If we was to give cops gear free we would have to give them bountys and the searching of drug money back.

This would mean cops earning millions... I think 1 cop got upto 70 million last time it was like this

You're almost there with the total I got, Just add a full price huron and you will be a bit closer

But with regard to the hostage situation it is a give and take kind of thing. The negotiations usually go down as follows:

Gang: "We are *insert gang name" and we have this guy hostage (The guy in question is often a fresh spawn), we demand 1 million for his release to be wired to *Insert Name*. 

Now as you may or may not know any hostage money given comes from our personal bank accounts. As a police officer we currently earn 10k/15min. So if you were to ask for 100k that is 2 and a half hours of game time, and personally if you were after 100k I would give it to you. 

Now as I am sure many other officers in the police do, I reward exceptional RP. People/gang who are only there for some quick money do not interest me or many other cops so I would like to encourage you to be creative in your scenarios you make. I have particularly fond memories of a few hostage ops, where the guys taking part have come up with some nice ideas and went through with it well, actually negotiated with workable terms and so on.

You say you want leverage against us but it is not required, but is required is a well thought out and planned hostage taking. Then you will be rewarded. 

By no means am I trying to criticise your role play, I am just saying that as police officers we end up often dealing with repetitive RP from civs/gang and we are here to have fun. So if you want some real engagement from the police force then provide us with decent original RP to deal with. 

Some ideas:

-Huge guns are not required, waving guns around in our faces tends to provoke us, keep them on your back atleast. Alternatively in your backpack to give yourself the element of surprise

-Set realistic demands

-Capture someone with something to loose (Far too often they are either fresh spawns or appear to be compliant in the hostage situation).

-Consider all the tools we have at our disposal and how to counter them

-BE CREATIVE

On a side note you will never be wired money for a hostage.

Sorry if that sounded a tad harsh, I do not know the specifics of the situations you are talking of and am expressing a general opinion as a police officer of 6 months

 

[bizby]

One of the biggest problems is the money comes out of an individuals pocket. If we had one big police pot where all our bounties and tickets and search money went into, similar to gang funds, then it would be a lot easier for you guys to win the situation. Also, another big problem is that when civs get taken hostage it can get a bit fishy I will use something that happened a few nights ago as an example.

Rebels take 2 civs hostage on top of on office building, a 3rd civ then voluntarily went up the ladder as a 3rd hostage (Like an idiot). The rebels demand of 100k was met and the hostages were released, whilst the rebels flee'd the area via a heli. As the heli flew away the volunteered hostage then drew a weapon gunning down a police man, moments after we saved him...

What I personally recommend is guidelines, a set of rules that are decided upon via admins, senior police and gang leaders.   

 

[Anonymous Eagle]

The best Hostage op ive been in is when they didn't demand money or weapons....but for cops to come and sing to them and we fully complied because it was out of the ordinary and we got to have fun with the RP involved

im all for doing a hostage op if there is to be RP involved throughout not just till they get money and a helicopter ride out...absolutely no fun in them at all

 

[FriendlyFireGuy]

We do negotiate, in fact a few weeks ago (I say a few weeks as I've been away on holiday since) we negotiated with TI (I think it was TI) and they managed to get away with the Gold without getting arrested. (Cops were outgunned and didn't want to risk a gun fight and lose)

In another incident, we negotiated and charged the robbers with breaking and entering and let them go rather than put them in Jail for attempted robbery. (robbers were outgunned by cops and didn't want to risk a gunfight so agreed to surrender for a lesser penalty)

It happens, you won't always win though. Negotiations doesn't mean "getting away with it". The above are two examples where both parties RP'd it but this ONLY happens when bother are willing to consider losing.

 

[Daanish]

I understand all problems mentioned on this thread. I was with my gang and Gc (10 of us in total) holding a fake hostage in a house. They send in the negotiator, and half way through speaking he pulls out a gun and tells our leader to put his hands up. Obviously that wasn't going to happen so we killed him. 3 seconds later 10 officers just run into the house and spray their guns. Poor RP in my opinion. 

Regarding the free gear, its not just cops that get RDM'd, many of us do too, but we still have to buy our gear back. Perhaps cops should have to buy it, but at a reduced price.

 

[Rossss]

Remember this, we'll negotiate as much as possible. It's all about the RP. But in RP we do not want you to get the gold. We have to stop you.

You always complain about negotiations but when you fire on officers and bring massive guns it gets boring. Create a good rp story and you might get some gold.

 

[Rossss]

Regarding the free gear, its not just cops that get RDM'd, many of us do too, but we still have to buy our gear back. Perhaps cops should have to buy it, but at a reduced price.

I'm all up for paying for my gear but I want bounty money back...
Cops get killed A LOT. We get RDMed too much and it gets boring. If I wanted to use an MX and got killed 5 times that day that's 500k ... (100k for mx as it used to be)

Trust me I could easily die 5 times a day by trying to rp and not shoot someones head off...

 

[Simon-]

I was with my gang and Gc (10 of us in total) holding a fake hostage in a house. 

You sir highlight the exact problem with many hostage situations...The person you have hostage is on your side and compliant in the situation and has nothing to loose. IMO it looks like you are only in it for the money and reflects badly on GC as a whole, this is a RP server. So Stop trying to con money out of the police and complaining when it doesn't go your way...

 

[Zinder]

also wanna point one thing here, 

if the hostage takers start execute hostage, put the police in a very very hard position that action are need to be taken i rather fast manor,

in real life the police will either try to calm down the situation or take lethal force to save the hostage, if a hostage taker are on a hill try to spot for he's fellow gang members and are killed in 1 shot , he can not report in at all what going on at the scen since he is dead,, that means that someone need to control the last know location of the guy, but in this case you guys assumed he got sniped by a police, 

by the metagame rule you guys can not know that, because you haven't been and investigated the guy who just got sniped, for example 

we tried to solve the situation like proper police dose but you guys failed RP big time in that case, by starting execute hostage without any reason really, it take's time for the police to get the money you are looking for,

i refereed to a  very very sad story but i true one, look at what happened in the grouser store in french, police stormed the area 4 ppl died but most hostage where alive,  you guys can not always think about what is best for your own sake, in the best of worlds you guys should get the money without any blood spilled , whats the point having a police when it always in your point  should lead to a rebel win and you guys taking a bath in money by fooling the cops

we tried to negotiate , but it ended up in a bloodbath because your gang assumed that police sniped your sniper on a hill witch was true but he died in 1 shot from behind so he can not report in anything at all towards the hostage taker's


this is just my point off the situation i am not accusing anyone just wanted to clear it up a little

Best regards CI ziN 
 

 

[Ximi]

So basically, Gc took 7/8 civs hostage yesterday evening. We wanted to see how cops react on a civilian hostage, or at least I wanted to see that. We were planning to negotiate, but only if the police didn't send cops into the area. Gc Ali did the negotiations, but the first police negotiator had some brain damage (aka was lagging a bit and we couldn't understand anything)

So we asked for a new one   When the new negotiator arrived, we showed them the civilians, only 2 left because we had to kill all the other ones because they were almost restrained for 1 or more hours already. When showing the two civs to the negotiator I hear shots.

I muted my teamspeak I didn't know what happened, because I was in a kinda nice roleplay situation. The plan was to ask a lot of money in the first place, but you know a big gang doesn't always need the money at the end. I was hoping to see something so we didn't had to kill the civs. I want to hear from Gc Ali what was said in the negotiations in this hostage situation.

The point is: I know that we asked a lot of money and I know you guys don't want to take this from your banks, but negotiations are there to make fun roleplay and I hope that all the negotiators have some room to lower their demand and sometimes can come to an agreement. So police should make fun in the negotiations so do rebels

 

[Simon-]

]When the new negotiator arrived, we showed them the civilians, only 2 left because we had to kill all the other ones because they were almost restrained for 1 or more hours already. 

You had to kill them because they had been retrained for an hour or more... That is amazing.

 

[Ximi]

You had to kill them because they had been retrained for an hour or more... That is amazing.

The whole operation time was 3 hours. So I think if you were the hostage that you would be happy that you could do something else at the end?