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#BringBackTheScrapDealer (with video)

Banana Duck

Banana Duck

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YES I know it was removed because of a bug, BUT I really hope its not being purposely delayed or being considered to be removed due to over salty people, and yes I know Hobos jump in hemmits at spawn but that's not my point, this video displays how lazy people are when it comes to vehicle storage! :D with some RP from UNMC at the end, enjoy!

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#BringbackThescrapDealer

#Ihopeithasnotbeendelayedonpurposeduetosaltypeoplegettingmadwhentheirhemmitgetssold

 
This is a reason why it needs to be brought back because people do not care about anything and just dump their cars where ever they fit..... It causes the server to lag and also causes lots of people to die due to crashing into abandoned  cars 

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#IOnlyGetSaltyWhenRobbedFromGreenzones #BringbackThescrapDealer #ButNotOnFreeWeekends

 
would love the scrap dealer back the amount of vehicles abandoned at our checkpoint is crazy , you can hardly move at times theres so many lol

 
blaze1981 said:
would love the scrap dealer back the amount of vehicles abandoned at our checkpoint is crazy , you can hardly move at times theres so many lol
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#BringBrackScrapDealer inside UNMC territory? Gives another reason to head up there, maybe work some way into giving the UNMC a cut? Funding for the cause and all that.

#BringBackMultiDrugScrapDealer

 
blaze1981 said:
would love the scrap dealer back the amount of vehicles abandoned at our checkpoint is crazy , you can hardly move at times theres so many lol
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Perhaps having 2 scrap dealers on the island wouldn't hurt. 1 somewhere between athira / kavala like the old one, and one between pygros/unmc border (or even wtihin the border). Could potentially bring more people up to you with smuggled cars!

EDIT: Zeito replied as I was typing mine up! His sounds cooler too with the funding etc.

 
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Okay @Banana Duck you want my opinion on scrapyards?

Right, firstly they serve no propose in RP, Even if you comply with someone taking your Heli/Truck, They use it for illegal things and police don't check licence it ends up scrapped, if they do illegal things in it and they leave it near Kavala (Drug dealer) some hobo robs it and its scrapped. Each one of them has happened to me and serves no RP benefits after the initial robbery and maybe rebel contact with police (ending up in a shootout at drug place) and my stuff getting scrapped by them.

I have had about 9 helis scrapped to the turn of about 27 million in loses, That fully complying with persons taken my stuff. (I value my life like it IS my own life.

I have lost about 20 or so Hemtt Boxes to turn of about 6 million, Again fully complying or getting fail RP'ed. Thats 33 million in loses for me that has served no propose for RP after the inital robbery.

I'm not "Salty" about losing my stuff, I'm disappointed. 

I would be more happy about having ARAC having impounding poweres but maybe having a script that a car that not had anyone inside for say 10 minutes can be impounded by them, That saves the problem of ninja impounding or combat impounding but I also know that could be abused by people who are uncouth.

If they did bring back scrapper it should be out of the way and off the beaten path so it is not just case of going 500 meters off a main road, like at the bottom of the map in rebel land so people have to weight up if its worth scrapping v's travel time/risk of not getting back to a city for a while.

Overall there has little to no disruption to how the game is played without a scrapyard and there is little to no gain by re-adding them, would be better to create new and interesting ways to RP with ARAC being able to impound or tow broken stuff at side of the road thus adding more RP into the server + adding ARAC as a meaningful worthwhile job to do.

 
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John Pickle said:
Perhaps having 2 scrap dealers on the island wouldn't hurt. 1 somewhere between athira / kavala like the old one, and one between pygros/unmc border (or even wtihin the border). Could potentially bring more people up to you with smuggled cars!

EDIT: Zeito replied as I was typing mine up! His sounds cooler too with the funding etc.
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I think one/two is close proximity to police stations, but with a timer that counts down (so no insta scrap)

Maybe also add some level system so hobos can't scrap Hemmits or truck straight off the bat

Level 1 - Quads, cars and pickups

Level 2 - those box van thing (I forget the name)

Level 3 - Small trucks, tempests, Hatchback sports, ect

Level 4 - Hemmitt boxed (large trucks)

Level 5 - Helis (level increases in relation to size and value)

something to this extent

 
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#Bringbackthescrapdealer
Levels sound good, or maybe have licences for each type of vehicle which increase in price- would help stopping hobos scrapping big trucks

 
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Banana Duck said:
I think one/two is close proximity to police stations, but with a timer that counts down (so no insta scrap)

Maybe also add some level system so hobos can't scrap Hemmits or truck straight off the bat

Level 1 - Quads, cars and pickups

Level 2 - those box van thing (I forget the name)

Level 3 - Small trucks, tempests ect

Level 4 - Hemmitt boxed (large trucks)

Level 5 - Helis (level increases in relation to size and value)
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A timer is most definitely needed for the scrap dealer, as has been suggested several times in the past. It also opens up the possibility of having more skills to choose from, Such as "Scrap Anonymously" so you don't get a bounty, "scrap quickly" to decrease the timer and "mates rates" where you get slightly more money for a scrap. Having it within arms reach of the law would also be cool, can imagine a few RP scenarios trying to get out of trouble there!

Ambers said:
Okay you want my opinion on scrapyards?

Right, firstly they serve no propose in RP, Even if you comply with someone taking your Heli/Truck, They use it for illegal things and police don't check licence it ends up scrapped, if they do illegal things in it and they leave it near Kavala (Drug dealer) some hobo robs it and its scrapped. Each one of them has happened to me and serves no RP benefits after the initial robbery.

I have had about 9 helis scrapped to the turn of about 27 million in loses, That fully complying with persons taken my stuff. (I value my life like it IS my own life.

I have lost about 20 or so Hemtt Boxes to turn of about 6 million, Again fully complying or getting fail RP'ed. Thats 33 million in loses for me that has served no propose for RP after the inital robbery.

I'm not "Salty" about losing my stuff, I'm disappointed. 

I would be more happy about having ARAC having impounding poweres but maybe having a script that a car that not had anyone inside for say 10 minutes can be impounded by them, That saves the problem of ninja impounding or combat impounding but I also know that could be abused by people who are uncouth.
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For the first part, we need to have a better system where players can report their vehicle stolen (As police inboxes get full pretty quickly) and encourage players to actually bother reporting it. Any police found scrapping with insufficient evidence or reason should be dealt with in the normal manner. (asking them nicely, PCC, privately poking their bosses etc..) 

Secondly, all of our vehicles in the modern age have GPS' attached to them, which means that you should have the ability to hunt your vehicle down. I agree that with the previous scrap dealer system this was actually very difficult, as scraps were instant and at quite a distance from civilization (agios was a hellhole and doesn't count as civilization). However, if a new system was implemented and their locations close to the law (see above) and within civilization, it would be a much more viable tactic to hunt them down.

Finally, people are just plain dicks sometimes. This is something we, as a community, have to deal with and try to fix by encouraging people NOT to be dicks. That is indeed a ridiculous amount of money to lose, especially if you're compliant when being robbed. But at the end of the day, this is a way of getting money out of circulation and helping the economy.

 
John Pickle said:
For the first part, we need to have a better system where players can report their vehicle stolen

Secondly, all of our vehicles in the modern age have GPS' attached to them, which means that you should have the ability to hunt your vehicle down.

Finally, people are just plain dicks sometimes. This is something we, as a community, have to deal with and try to fix by encouraging people NOT to be dicks. That is indeed a ridiculous amount of money to lose, especially if you're compliant when being robbed. But at the end of the day, this is a way of getting money out of circulation and helping the economy.
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First part I agree with but then if scrapping was in game most time if your stuff is stolen its scrapped anyway.

You second point, That only applies if you not breaking NLR most vehicles robbery end up with you getting shot even if you complying but trying to RP it out.

3rd point, I agree that its a way to get money out but a lot of people may only 1 Hemmt and to have that taken and scrapped it just stopping people from staying on server creating less new RP in the long run, I'm not a rich person in game, I have less than 2mil in my bank so losing a 400-500k hemmt still hurts me, I'm just not salty about it as much as other people would be.

And to touch on another thing that Banana Duck said "  this video displays how lazy people are when it comes to vehicle storage " most of the cars in the video are crashed cars, without breaking NLR you are not allowed to return to the place of your death within 15 minutes, So you going to see a lot of cars on major roads because they don't suffer same despawn timer as cars out in middle of nowhere.

 
Ambers said:
First part I agree with but then if scrapping was in game most time if your stuff is stolen its scrapped anyway.

You second point, That only applies if you not breaking NLR most vehicles robbery end up with you getting shot even if you complying but trying to RP it out.

3rd point, I agree that its a way to get money out but a lot of people may only 1 Hemmt and to have that taken and scrapped it just stopping people from staying on server creating less new RP in the long run, I'm not a rich person in game, I have less than 2mil in my bank so losing a 400-500k hemmt still hurts me, I'm just not salty about it as much as other people would be.
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I would personally say that if you were a compliant victim simply attempting to RP, but still killed, that the robbers failed RP and are breaking rules. However, I can see this being a grey area and will not go any further than that.

And I may have envisioned everyone as having a few million each, rather than the little guy. I was there once, and should not have forgotten the pain I went through having my new trucks stolen instantly and scrapped! However, I may have a solution. Perhaps all newly purchased vehicles come with a "1 week warranty" where they are unable to be scrapped / can be scrapped but re-appear in your garage during that first week. Although I could see this being either impossible, or simply too much effort to do for a minor change in-game.

However, with all views put forward so far I would still like to see some sort of scrap dealer around!

#BringbackThescrapDealerButInABetterWayThanBefore

EDIT: while browsing the forums I found a similar topic asking to bring back scrap dealer (and delivery missons) that also has a few valid points on it for both sides. 




 
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@AmbersSince you believe that the presence of the Scrap dealer is not good for RP I am going to give you examples why NOT having a scrap dealer is AFFECTING RP.

For example: Bob the hobo is driving in his beautiful Hemmitt Box. He gets stopped by some rebels and is asked for the keys of his truck. The rebels threatened his life for the vehicle keys, but Bob doesn't give shit because it doesn't cost money to respawn. If a scrap dealer existed then instead of threatening Bob's life the Rebels would threaten to scrap his beautiful Hemmitt. And that's when Bob would actually give a shit because trucks are not for free.

Sincerely the Rebel who tried to rob Bob

 
Ok, i would also approach this from 2 different perspective.
1. Having scrapyards means people will be less willing to handover their vehicles during a robbery, to the point of starting a gunfight, and that possibility will put everyone in more edge with the knowledge of number of dick people around, you cant change that, i have seen lots of people simply start their day with the intention of getting into combat or to rob people for content of their truck, so they can sell it at drug dealer for cash as a group. So scrapyards would lower the incentive to RP.

2. It will promote blobbing, as we all know currently you can easily find people doing drug runs alone or with a friend, if you are in constant danger of loosing not just your gear, but also your vehicle, it will be detrimental to all the people that want to go around alone and engage with people not as a gang, but as an individual. I love gangs and everything but i have a feeling making the game more "I can make you loose all your stuff" mode will not going to be fun for many new players. instead it will make people even more isolated. Because you see that stranger, you could drive up to him and engage in roleplay ... BUT he might not only rob all your gear, but also take your vehicle and sell it, and make direct cash money. This might be something you might not find "important" when you have been in the game for a long time.

The way i see it people want scrapyards not for RP reasons, they just dont like seeing empty vehicles on sides of road, infact simply they just want that option ... but if you want people to be more motivated to RP, perhaps scrapyards is just a lazy solution to "need for scrapyards".

GraphicMarble said:
@AmbersSince you believe that the presence of the Scrap dealer is not good for RP I am going to give you examples why NOT having a scrap dealer is AFFECTING RP.

For example: Bob the hobo is driving in his beautiful Hemmitt Box. He gets stopped by some rebels and is asked for the keys of his truck. The rebels threatened his life for the vehicle keys, but Bob doesn't give shit because it doesn't cost money to respawn. If a scrap dealer existed then instead of threatening Bob's life the Rebels would threaten to scrap his beautiful Hemmitt. And that's when Bob would actually give a shit because trucks are not for free.

Sincerely the Rebel who tried to rob Bob
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Yes sure and the kind and peaceful rebel wouldnt sell bobs truck as scrapyard since he politely gave the keys, bravo ... bravo :D

 
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