Once I get home as I've already said in the post. I will add more.
IMO - I don't see CID do that much. A few containers and car raids that result in nothing. They don't infiltrate other gangs. The list goes on which I will add later.
As others have said before, since you are not in CID, you dont really know whats going on. And the infiltration, how do you know we are not actually doing it? Would it be smart to post it in the meeting minutes of CID: We happily announce the succesful infiltrations in The Lost. We are happy to inform you about frequent updates as how our undercover detective is proceeding.
As a replacement for CID this would achieve nothing.
As a seperate entity to the police how it was back in the day however, I feel like this could be very effective.
I don't really know what a seperate entity to the police would achieve other than really shady business, that is unrealistic to begin with (i.e. torture etc.). Since the server has morphed into a high standard of realism, torture or other shady ways to achieve intelligence or operations could not be allowed by the government, or at least it doesn't really make sense to allow it.
Pretty much this, SB cannot be corrupt and same applies to Inspector+ but Level 2 and under can be corrupt
I highly disagree if something like that would be implemented, I could not trust my detectives anymore.
It isn't an insult to CID. I haven't seen CID do much in my own eyes. Now, whether that's down to them as individual people, their tools or the brain of the crim they're going up against I have no idea.
As I've said in numerous of my replies now, I will add more details to it. I don't care whether it is separate or not. If it would be separate, it would make sense for CID to transfer over and not be demoted to frontline. NCA can be corrupt as that is where their blacksites would come in.
A lot of CID interviews with hardened criminals have mostly always resulted in misinformation or the criminal would NEVER snitch on their own gang. CID can't be corrupt due to the ruling, maybe NCA can get some information? Who knows.
Above and beyond? What are some examples?
Have CID done anything other than raiding houses and cars which almost always result in nothing (not saying its cid fault that it results in nothing)
regarding NCA creation: I see it as unrealistic, however I do not know what the purpose really was or how it deviates from CID other than being corrupt and do really shady stuff, which wouldn't fit in the server meta imo, since government and judiciary are not going to allow such a unit anymore, at least it doesnt make sense to allow it (to what I know of NCA)
We did a lot this year, it was just not bragged about or posted in the front page of the newspaper. The only one that was really posted in the forums, was The Lost raid, which was the biggest raid in police history. We have raided every major gang compound this year, of every gang. But apparently it went to: CID does nothing.
There is also disillusionment when you need to acknowledge that the server meta has shifted and the majority of incriminating content is stored in a storage unit, which are an almost untouchable resource, unless you put A LOT of work of surveillance into it (and I will refer to it further down to the motivational aspect) and then even if you succeed there is still the possibility of intel leakage or pure bad luck, that you still won't find anything, or other circumstances actually lead to you not finding any major gun storage or what not. Then if its not in storage units, it is stored somewhere in cars at a friends house and it is almost impossible to have that as information.
The workload of CID is astronomical. And this is a game, people are not online 24/7, since I become a senior in CID, I struggle to manage the workload, to motivate people to actually do investigations, to actually proceed in investigations, do plain and simple do the work, that we are tasked to. Since I become senior in CID, the CID is met with daily toxic attitude, the complains about we don't achieve anything, the focus of the outcome and results of AC cases (which are the pure minority of CID work, since there are at tops 2-3 people working AC anyway), and the discussion how we should do our work.
We are the smallest department, however the expectations are extremely high and if something went wrong/was not achieved, there is no understanding or gratitude for the work that is put in, it will be met with comments CID is useless or we should just stop it all together. What that does with the people within CID, you see clearly, since many members have stopped playing or left the server all together or transferred right back to other units, because of the attitude they receive on a daily basis or the politics they are met, because "no you cannot do that". This is a game and people play this for fun and don't want to come home to just deal with politics, being harrassed for no reason and then asked to do an investigation that won't reward them in any way other than maybe the satisfaction of RP or completion. Further: it substracts the bad experience they receive while being in CID (within the police) the motivation sinks and they ask themselves: why am I doing this? I do not blame them when they leave, I would have probably if I wouldn't be such a freaking stubborn idealist.
I continiously try to improve the working relationship with other units, but it feels like the more it goes on, the more someone else is finding a spot to kick at CID.
On top there is the circle of people not submitting intel -> demotivated CID members (toxic atmosphere) & identity stripped of CID (unique CID features utilized by other units) -> workload extremely high -> no immediate results of investigations -> image of CID low because no visible results for others -> why would I submit intel, there is nothing done with it anyway -> No intel .......... LOOOOOOP
On top comes the image CID only investigates fellow officers or are looking for fuck ups in the submitted intel, which is absurd.
The majority of the problems is created because people don't actually talk to each other rather than talking about each other. If the police would work together in things instead of taking this as a contest who is the best department and can do the best results, instead of focussing on their main tasks and supporting the other units in their work and then achieve results together, many of this toxic chit chat would not be there. But this is the internet, people tend to be ****** and boost their ego or their confidence by compare them to others, and what is better than to compare you to a weaker target, so you look better in this picture. There is a lot of social psychology involved, group dynamics and basic human needs as positive confirmation of the own person to gain confidence.
In the end this sounded more bitter than I feel, but a lot of frustration is also involved, if you try to manage a department that receives always high expectations, but the understanding of what is behind the curtain is limited.
ps: I hope this does make any sense, I will probably need to edit a lot since I spend more than an hour to try to get a coherent answer.
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