Will this run ArmA 3?

[dzul]

Yeah will run it, but I'd stay away from AMD if I were you. (Source: Past experience, an Intel i5 would do the same job and isn't too expensive)

And isn't too expensive,sure,it's just about 2x the price of Fx 6300,which is more expensive than the CPU he has in that build,please stop trying to convince him for buiyng intel,in that price tag it'd mean he spent like 40 % of the budget just on the CPU which is just stupid.

 

[Styx]

And isn't too expensive,sure,it's just over 2x the price of Fx 6300,which is more expensive than the CPU he has in thah build,please stop trying to convince him for buiyng intel,in that price tag it'd mean he spent like 40 % of the budget just on the CPU which is just stupid.

He didn't actually mention that he had a budget, and for the track record of AMD's it's really worth the money investing in Intel. I work as a Technical Analyst and I also handle all hardware at my place of work, and I can assure you in the long term, you'd spend more upgrading your AMD and repairing it when it slows down/breaks than you would if you invested in an i5.

Just my two cents from someone who works with computer hardware every day

 

[CMO Marc Smith]

There's a screenshot of FPS on Arma with different CPU's using a GTX TITAN so there is no bottleneck in other areas. As you can see, there are some AMD and some Intel models mixed in together.

This means that anyone arguing that Intel is the only way to go is completely and utterly wrong. It all comes down to budget, and with this budget, AMD is surely going to be better in terms of price/performance.

 

[lionel]

Yeah will run it, but I'd stay away from AMD if I were you. (Source: Past experience, an Intel i5 would do the same job and isn't too expensive)

Ok getting fed up of this Intel Vs AMD crap.

<RANT>

If you can build a cheap computer for around £500 with good Intel chips. Then do the world a favour and post where the fuck your buying them from at the same price as the AMD chips, at least have the decency to put a build together and post links, hell I may even consider upgrading myself.

But if your going to fucking re-iterate what was mentioned and countered multiple times in this thread then please just fuck off your not helping anybody.

</RANT>

 

[dzul]

He didn't actually mention that he had a budget, and for the track record of AMD's it's really worth the money investing in Intel. I work as a Technical Analyst and I also handle all hardware at my place of work, and I can assure you in the long term, you'd spend more upgrading your AMD and repairing it when it slows down/breaks than you would if you invested in an i5.

HMMMM,i don't know how much is intel paying for such opinions,but i've had AMD CPUs in my house since Duron and not a single one of them broke down,hell they've always done amazing job performing for that price.

 

[lionel]

He didn't actually mention that he had a budget, and for the track record of AMD's it's really worth the money investing in Intel. I work as a Technical Analyst and I also handle all hardware at my place of work, and I can assure you in the long term, you'd spend more upgrading your AMD and repairing it when it slows down/breaks than you would if you invested in an i5.

Just my two cents from someone who works with computer hardware every day

Wow I work with computers too, so do most people that help out here.

There's a screenshot of FPS on Arma with different CPU's using a GTX TITAN so there is no bottleneck in other areas. As you can see, there are some AMD and some Intel models mixed in together.

This means that anyone arguing that Intel is the only way to go is completely and utterly wrong. It all comes down to budget, and with this budget, AMD is surely going to be better in terms of price/performance.

Although for gaming rigs I don't think the A series chips from AMD are worth the integrated GPU side, you only get a small increment in quality. Its great for low end systems though

 

[CMO Marc Smith]

He didn't actually mention that he had a budget, and for the track record of AMD's it's really worth the money investing in Intel. I work as a Technical Analyst and I also handle all hardware at my place of work, and I can assure you in the long term, you'd spend more upgrading your AMD and repairing it when it slows down/breaks than you would if you invested in an i5.

He's looking at a pre-built machine for £500, this generally means he's on a budget of around that price.

You can be a technical analyst all you want, but if you know hardware, you will know that AMD CPU's last several hardware generations, which by the time it's likely to break, is way past when anyone should be upgrading again anyway. Same with intel.

What you're saying really is that investing more money into a CPU that will need to be replaced at exactly the same time as another is a good idea, which is really counter productive for a budget build.

Although for gaming rigs I don't think the A series chips from AMD are worth the integrated GPU side, you only get a small increment in quality. Its great for low end systems though

It's the first example I found on images xD

 

[Styx]

Ok getting fed up of this Intel Vs AMD crap.

<RANT>

If you can build a cheap computer for around £500 with good Intel chips. Then do the world a favour and post where the fuck your buying them from at the same price as the AMD chips, at least have the decency to put a build together and post links, hell I may even consider upgrading myself.

But if your going to fucking re-iterate what was mentioned and countered multiple times in this thread then please just fuck off your not helping anybody.

</RANT>

Why are you being so toxic, this thread is based on opinion, i'm giving mine, you could pay less than £100 more and put an intel processor in there, and correct me if i'm wrong but he hasn't mentioned a budget, so it's a suggestion to improve longevity. He asked for our opinion on a build, my opinion is it looks great, even better with an i5 in there.

EDIT: I'm not saying AMD isn't better at the lower price range, everyone is jumping on my dick because I suggested Intel, I was suggesting investing in an intel processor should he have the budget as it's a better choice for a longer term rig.

 

[lionel]

Why are you being so toxic, this thread is based on opinion, i'm giving mine, you could pay less than £100 more and put an intel processor in there, and correct me if i'm wrong but he hasn't mentioned a budget, so it's a suggestion to improve longevity. He asked for our opinion on a build, my opinion is it looks great, even better with an i5 in there.

EDIT: I'm not saying AMD isn't better at the lower price range, everyone is jumping on my dick because I suggested Intel, I was suggesting investing in an intel processor should he have the budget as it's a better choice for a longer term rig.

Why ???? Please read the thread, you let me know if you can see exactly what you said, also said a number of times without any backing information, you cruise in here "Intel is better lel" and then leave without helping at all. And we have to clean up the mess you create of explaining why your saying that, and why in this case your wrong. Its downright annoying, and has now happened multiple times in this thread that you barely bothered to read. Go put a build together with intel parts and post it here.

I have stated plenty of times that Intel outperforms AMD on Arma3, but you seem to have misconception that Arma3 is unplayable on AMD !

"but he hasn't mentioned a budget" - You don't go to a used car garage with £500 to buy a Lamborghini.

As a techie you should recognise the rant quotes and allow for that.

 

[CMO Marc Smith]

Why are you being so toxic, this thread is based on opinion, i'm giving mine, you could pay less than £100 more and put an intel processor in there, and correct me if i'm wrong but he hasn't mentioned a budget, so it's a suggestion to improve longevity. He asked for our opinion on a build, my opinion is it looks great, even better with an i5 in there.

EDIT: I'm not saying AMD isn't better at the lower price range, everyone is jumping on my dick because I suggested Intel, I was suggesting investing in an intel processor should he have the budget as it's a better choice for a longer term rig.

Lionel's point is that people in general just say that one manufacturer is better than another. Which is exactly what you did with your first post here, telling him to avoid AMD entirely. No, he hasn't mentioned a budget, but someone looking at a pre build £500 machine... common sense says he's on a budget. Likely even a budget of around £500.

Yes, you can pay less than £100 more and throw an intel in it, but you can also pay £100 more and put an even better AMD in there.

As for your edit... no, people aren't jumping on your dick because you suggested Intel... it's because you said to avoid AMD, which is not a fair statement in the slightest. And no, Intel is not necessarily better for a long term rig. I've had AMD rigs last 10 years+ without any issues. In fact I still use one as a web server for application testing. If anyone needs something to last more than 10 years for a gaming machine, they're dreaming.

 

[dzul]

So i've done lil rig for 560 £ ,now note that i'm not from UK and I guess there're stores with better deals on the components,on the other hand for paying just 60 £ extra you're getting much better and future proof system than the one you posted,on the other hand you'll have to put it up together yourself/with friends.

Take in mind i have no idea, is 60 £ a lot for an avarega  Brit,if you'd really like that 500£ price tag i'd switch the GPU for a Gtx 750 Ti which is a really good card for little price(I own a gtx 750 myslef and with some overclocking i'm playing Witcher 3 on medium settings and no post processing on 30 FPS in intense areas and up to 58 in small closed areas).On the other hand you could change that gpu for a 750 ti and use theese 60 £ on buying an SSD if you'd really like this PC mostly for Arma,but i find the r9 380 build more universal.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/LXtMBm R9 380 build

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/nkrZsY R9 380 with SSD instead of HDD

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/T3GyvK Gtx 750 ti build

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/vPT2pg 750 Ti with SSD instead of HDD

EDIT:

And take in mind that you can go for an SSD instead of that 1 Tb HDD but I personally would always choose a HDD over a small SSD if i had to choose it as my only drive,but that is my personal opinion and what you need heavily depends how many games you'd like to play

Also as i've very poor internet connection i prefer to have games installed,you with most likely fast internet could just swap games on the SSD depending on what you'd like to play

EDIT2:

I've posted additional options for your budget and little bit over it,whichever you choose is up to you and take in mind that setting up a PC isn't really all that hard,just be careful and watch internet guides if you've trouble

 

[CMO Marc Smith]

So i've done lil rig for 560 £ ,now note that i'm not from UK and I guess there're stores with better deals on the components,on the other hand for paying just 60 £ extra you're getting much better and future proof system than the one you posted,on the other hand you'll have to put it up together yourself/with friends.

Take in mind i have no idea, is 60 £ a lot for an avarega  Brit,if you'd really like that 500£ price tag i'd switch the GPU for a Gtx 750 Ti which is a really good card for little price(I own a gtx 750 myslef and with some overclocking i'm playing Witcher 3 on medium settings and no post processing on 30 FPS in intense areas and up to 58 in small closed areas).On the other hand you could change that gpu for a 750 ti and use theese 60 £ on buying an SSD if you'd really like this PC mostly for Arma,but i find the r9 380 build more universal.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/LXtMBm R9 380 build

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/T3GyvK Gtx 750 ti build

Oh, back on track I see xD

 

[Styx]

Why ???? Please read the thread, you let me know if you can see exactly what you said, also said a number of times without any backing information, you cruise in here "Intel is better lel" and then leave without helping at all. And we have to clean up the mess you create of explaining why your saying that, and why in this case your wrong. Its downright annoying, and has now happened multiple times in this thread that you barely bothered to read. Go put a build together with intel parts and post it here.

I have stated plenty of times that Intel outperforms AMD on Arma3, but you seem to have misconception that Arma3 is unplayable on AMD !

"but he hasn't mentioned a budget" - You don't go to a used car garage with £500 to buy a Lamborghini.

As a techie you should recognise the rant quotes and allow for that.

Please quote me on where I said that Arma 3 is unplayable on AMD.

And here are just some of the reasons as to why investing in an Intel processor is better for gaming (EVEN IF IT IS THE LOW END):

Intel has better performance per single core, where amd has slow cores but more of them. Intel can get more done with less cores and clock speed, if you test you'd find that a 3.3ghz quad core i5 can beat a 4ghz 8 core 8350.

AMD uses modules for it's cores so, two cores share a module, and that module is given cache and resources to match demand, which holds the performance back when comparing to that of a core with dedicated resources.

Intel also favours single threaded performance, which is something GAMING benefits from.

Intel processors also have a lower power consumption in comparison to AMD, which means less heat output, generally improving PC performance (especially important when running games like Arma).

Intel have stronger video decoders, it takes an 8 core amd to even begin to challenge a 4 core intel chip.

Overall, Intel architecture is better, the cores are built on a short pipeline with strong single threaded performance, since games like ARMA are poorly optimised, they thrive on this architecture.

I could go on but you get the idea as to why it's better to invest more in an Intel processor.

 

[dzul]

Please quote me on where I said that Arma 3 is unplayable on AMD.

And here are just some of the reasons as to why investing in an Intel processor is better for gaming (EVEN IF IT IS THE LOW END):

Intel has better performance per single core, where amd has slow cores but more of them. Intel can get more done with less cores and clock speed, if you test you'd find that a 3.3ghz quad core i5 can beat a 4ghz 8 core 8350.

AMD uses modules for it's cores so, two cores share a module, and that module is given cache and resources to match demand, which holds the performance back when comparing to that of a core with dedicated resources.

Intel also favours single threaded performance, which is something GAMING benefits from.

Intel processors also have a lower power consumption in comparison to AMD, which means less heat output, generally improving PC performance (especially important when running games like Arma).

Intel have stronger video decoders, it takes an 8 core amd to even begin to challenge a 4 core intel chip.

Overall, Intel architecture is better, the cores are built on a short pipeline with strong single threaded performance, since games like ARMA are poorly optimised, they thrive on this architecture.

I could go on but you get the idea as to why it's better to invest more in an Intel processor.

First off this thread is not INTEL VS AMD duel,

Second, Intel is offering very minor improvements for usually double the cost of equivalent AMD CPU.

 

[Styx]

First off this thread is not INTEL VS AMD duel,

Second, Intel is offering very minor improvements for usually double the cost of equivalent AMD CPU.

I know it isn't, I wasn't the one making it that, I simply suggested investing in an intel processor in his build and people jumped down my neck about the whole amd vs. intel thing.

 

[dzul]

I know it isn't, I wasn't the one making it that, I simply suggested investing in an intel processor in his build and people jumped down my neck about the whole amd vs. intel thing.

Because suggesting Intel in a 500 £ build is plain unrealistic and stupid if you excuse me,to fit in 500 £ he'd have to go with an i3 and overclockable  Fx 6300 kicks any I3s ass in gaming.

 

[lionel]

Please quote me on where I said that Arma 3 is unplayable on AMD.

And here are just some of the reasons as to why investing in an Intel processor is better for gaming (EVEN IF IT IS THE LOW END):

Intel has better performance per single core, where amd has slow cores but more of them. Intel can get more done with less cores and clock speed, if you test you'd find that a 3.3ghz quad core i5 can beat a 4ghz 8 core 8350.

AMD uses modules for it's cores so, two cores share a module, and that module is given cache and resources to match demand, which holds the performance back when comparing to that of a core with dedicated resources.

Intel also favours single threaded performance, which is something GAMING benefits from.

Intel processors also have a lower power consumption in comparison to AMD, which means less heat output, generally improving PC performance (especially important when running games like Arma).

Intel have stronger video decoders, it takes an 8 core amd to even begin to challenge a 4 core intel chip.

Overall, Intel architecture is better, the cores are built on a short pipeline with strong single threaded performance, since games like ARMA are poorly optimised, they thrive on this architecture.

I could go on but you get the idea as to why it's better to invest more in an Intel processor.

ok its a fanboi, Where's the mute button ?

 

[CMO Marc Smith]

I know it isn't, I wasn't the one making it that, I simply suggested investing in an intel processor in his build and people jumped down my neck about the whole amd vs. intel thing.

"I'd stay away from AMD if I were you." - LCN Harry

That's not suggesting Intel, that's saying to avoid AMD.

 

[Styx]

Because suggesting Intel in a 500 £ build is plain unrealistic and stupid if you excuse me,to fit in 500 £ he'd have to go with an i3 and overclockable  Fx 6300 kicks any I3s ass in gaming.

Hence why I said, it would be worth investing in one, I'm in no way suggesting he can fit an intel processor into a £500 build.

ok its a fanboi, Where's the mute button ?

I can see your responses are knowledgeable and mature, this conversation is over.

 

[dzul]

Hence why I said, it would be worth investing in one, I'm in no way suggesting he can fit an intel processor into a £500 build.

I can suggest him getting a TItan X,after all it can't fit in 500 £ but would give much better performance in gaming wouldn't it?