Why don't Police take hostage ops seriously?

[Fetty Wap]

Over the past couple of days I have been involved in situations where we have to end up taking a police officer hostage due to them not leaving us alone. But everytime this happens the police are trigger happy and just start trying to pick us off hundreds of metres away which just results in the hostages being killed then us rebels getting moaned at by the police for shitty rp?

im only looking for people rank SGT+ to comment on why stuff like this happenes because I can't be dealing with PCSO's who think they know what's it like when they have been in the police less then a week.

PS: this isn't a dig at the police its a genuine question.

 

[Tampy]

In the UK legislation we are not to negotiate with terrorists. I remember when we would give up millions every day and time we had someone take a cop hostage, it lead to at least 4-5 cop hostages each restart and took up around 75% of the server coverage. 

This is why we introduced the rule in which we simply don't negotiate with people that do it. If you don't get anything from it, you won't do it.

I can safely say that from when I was a PC 11 months ago the amount of police hostages has dropped drastically. If you want to do kidnappings and such I would suggest the kidnappings of rival gangs. For example I believe TI are not friendly with LOV or LCN, so why not hold them for ransom where the real money is instead of holding up SPC 'Insert name here' and getting nothing for it.

Regards, DI Tampy

 

[Phalanx]

I'm not SGT+

wee bit of payback for commenting on my question.

 

[Summers]

In the UK legislation we are not to negotiate with terrorists. I remember when we would give up millions every day and time we had someone take a cop hostage, it lead to at least 4-5 cop hostages each restart and took up around 75% of the server coverage. 

This is why we introduced the rule in which we simply don't negotiate with people that do it. If you don't get anything from it, you won't do it.

I can safely say that from when I was a PC 11 months ago the amount of police hostages has dropped drastically. If you want to do kidnappings and such I would suggest the kidnappings of rival gangs. For example I believe TI are not friendly with LOV or LCN, so why not hold them for ransom where the real money is instead of holding up SPC 'Insert name here' and getting nothing for it.

Regards, DI Tampy

Agreed.

 

[Samatlewis]

Do you ahve any evidence of this happening? If so  A SI/CSI would be interest to see.

The police do not pay for hostages unless it comes out their own pocket, this is because there was a huge influx of police/civ hostages. This is probably why they tend to not respond/ try and avoid paying out for their colleages. As for getting the hostages out of the situation there's only a few options. It could be that the aggressors release free of charge (uncommon) or they want simple/cheap terms. The final option being to fight for the release of their colleagues. This isn't in-depth, however it may highlight why police are reluctant to approach hostage situations with the idealism that they can pay ransoms.

 

[Axolotl]

Police do take hostage situations very seriously at all times. Sometimes however, rebels come up with impossible demands that require us to use lethal force, while at other times we might have to take the gamble of risking the life of one hostage in favour of having more casualties.
You mention the police not leaving you alone, well if you want to be left alone you shoulden't be engaging in illegal activities. I take it as a compliment as it means that the police force is highly active at the moment and doing the best they can. 

Also in the police force we value everyone's opinion, regardless of rank. Just because someone is a PCSO, PC or SPC doesn't automatically mean they are clueless. While it might not be meant as a dig at the police, I do find your attitude highly unconstructive.

If you have any actual evidence of poor hostage operations then bring it to us. I know you have no trouble finding the liaison room.
 

 

[Fetty Wap]

In the UK legislation we are not to negotiate with terrorists. I remember when we would give up millions every day and time we had someone take a cop hostage, it lead to at least 4-5 cop hostages each restart and took up around 75% of the server coverage. 

This is why we introduced the rule in which we simply don't negotiate with people that do it. If you don't get anything from it, you won't do it.

I can safely say that from when I was a PC 11 months ago the amount of police hostages has dropped drastically. If you want to do kidnappings and such I would suggest the kidnappings of rival gangs. For example I believe TI are not friendly with LOV or LCN, so why not hold them for ransom where the real money is instead of holding up SPC 'Insert name here' and getting nothing for it.

Regards, DI Tampy

I don't think you got what I was trying to say we don't go out to kidnap police we would simply be doing a run and we tell them to leave us alone but they just drive a short distance ahead which then forces us to have to go up to them and rob them so that gives us time to get away.. But somehow the whole police force is already responding when the police have no comms I have countless videos of stuff like this happening and I have been in contact with Walt recently about it but it just keeps happening. We simply ask to be left alone we don't need money...

I'm not SGT+

wee bit of payback for commenting on my question.

I was waiting for your comment

 

[Entropy]

I'll agree with Fetty here. Earlier we had a PSCO and a SPC at gunpoint, yet the Officers surrounded our position and homed in on us. It lead with every officer dying AND the hostages getting executed immediately with no actual interaction with the approaching officers. Obviously posting random situations here doesn't help, Having evidence and doing something about it does. But i think fetty's aim here wasn't to bring hate but actual attention to this fact that sometimes officers COULD try and RP just a little better during these situations.

 

[Samatlewis]

 fact that sometimes officers COULD try and RP just a little better during these situations.

Rebels COULD also try and Rp just a little better during these situations aswell.

 

[Salty]

In the UK legislation we are not to negotiate with terrorists. I remember when we would give up millions every day and time we had someone take a cop hostage, it lead to at least 4-5 cop hostages each restart and took up around 75% of the server coverage. 

This is why we introduced the rule in which we simply don't negotiate with people that do it. If you don't get anything from it, you won't do it.

I can safely say that from when I was a PC 11 months ago the amount of police hostages has dropped drastically. If you want to do kidnappings and such I would suggest the kidnappings of rival gangs. For example I believe TI are not friendly with LOV or LCN, so why not hold them for ransom where the real money is instead of holding up SPC 'Insert name here' and getting nothing for it.

Regards, DI Tampy

I agree with you aswell Tampax.

The thing is , we play on server 1 (when it doesnt have issues) , also i want to start with saying these are no shots fired to LOV or LCN.

LOV and LCN are really inactive on server 1 (correct me if im wrong) , our biggest enemy on the server is the police.

We take police hostage mainly because they didnt want to leave us alone , or we want black bipods etc.

The issue mainly here is we got at a point where we have 3 SPC's hostage , and the police storms the building and start firing at us , when we expected a negotiater to come and talk to us.

Sometimes we really want to RP it , and makes us dissapointed when we have 30 cops storming us and want to take us out , when we have 3 fellow officers at gunpoint and ready to fire the trigger.

I understand you dont negotiate with terrorists , but because you dont do that , does it really need to cost a live of 3 officers?

Also this is been a activity for TI lately , but we decided not to anymore , since we're getting at the point where we fight 24/7 instead of RPing.

I'm not saying its our fault or the police's , but its coming from 2 directions , we take someone hostage and we want to Roleplay , but the police is storming the building which ends us up with killing the hostage(s) and having a fight with the police.

Much love,

Salty

 

[Smith]

I don't think you got what I was trying to say we don't go out to kidnap police we would simply be doing a run and we tell them to leave us alone but they just drive a short distance ahead which then forces us to have to go up to them and rob them so that gives us time to get away.. But somehow the whole police force is already responding when the police have no comms I have countless videos of stuff like this happening and I have been in contact with Walt recently about it but it just keeps happening. We simply ask to be left alone we don't need money...

I was waiting for your comment

I'm sorry but the police aren't going to leave people doing illegal activities alone, that's the entire point of the police existing.

 

[Fetty Wap]

I'll agree with Fetty here. Earlier we had a PSCO and a SPC at gunpoint, yet the Officers surrounded our position and homed in on us. It lead with every officer dying AND the hostages getting executed immediately with no actual interaction with the approaching officers. Obviously posting random situations here doesn't help, Having evidence and doing something about it does. But i think fetty's aim here wasn't to bring hate but actual attention to this fact that sometimes officers COULD try and RP just a little better during these situations.

I have all that situation recorded which will be rendered out tomorrow.

I'm sorry but the police aren't going to leave people doing illegal activities alone, that's the entire point of the police existing.

You misinterpret what I said if one police car is surrounded by 8 rebels all heavily armed why do they continue to follow we give so many warnings but then get moaned at when we kill police.

 

[Rossss]

It was mentioned ages ago that police don't negotiate and to be honest I think the police are/were too nice with negotiating. I always said at bank/hostage ops that the more that we negotiate the more some people will rip the piss to get money. It's not ment to be a big way to get money.

You misinterpret what I said if one police car is surrounded by 8 rebels all heavily armed why do they continue to follow we give so many warnings but then get moaned at when we kill police.

Because they're idiots is the main reason. In RP you can shoot the hostage without getting out the car...

I try to tell people the best way to do bank/hostage ops but hey ho the little PC knows nothing 

 

[Phalanx]

I agree with you aswell Tampax.

The thing is , we play on server 1 (when it doesnt have issues) , also i want to start with saying these are no shots fired to LOV or LCN.

LOV and LCN are really inactive on server 1 (correct me if im wrong) , our biggest enemy on the server is the police.

We take police hostage mainly because they didnt want to leave us alone , or we want black bipods etc.

The issue mainly here is we got at a point where we have 3 SPC's hostage , and the police storms the building and start firing at us , when we expected a negotiater to come and talk to us.

Sometimes we really want to RP it , and makes us dissapointed when we have 30 cops storming us and want to take us out , when we have 3 fellow officers at gunpoint and ready to fire the trigger.

I understand you dont negotiate with terrorists , but because you dont do that , does it really need to cost a live of 3 officers?

Also this is been a activity for TI lately , but we decided not to anymore , since we're getting at the point where we fight 24/7 instead of RPing.

I'm not saying its our fault or the police's , but its coming from 2 directions , we take someone hostage and we want to Roleplay , but the police is storming the building which ends us up with killing the hostage(s) and having a fight with the police.

Much love,

Salty

If anything the past few days I've seen more action from LCN on server 1 than TI on any server in the last few weeks, except today in which there was a bank op.

Regardless, asking SGT+ when plenty of people have been that rank but rejoined is a little unfair. However I do believe I know what hostage op you were referring to. The thing is it was right before the police meeting and getting nagged at higher ups to hurry the f up and get in isn't helpful therefore it may not be as high quality as some people don't understand. I wasn't on the ground though I came halfway through in WA-99 I must say the value of life from the cops was inexcusable, nobody waited on backup and went Rambo to get those cops out which in my opinion isn't right as with the right preparation and teamwork the thing could've been finished in the guts of half an hour.

However, 89% of the time officers do plan and do communicate and don't rush in, it's just that 11% your complaining bout and there really is no reason to argue without any evidence of previous accounts to back up your  claim of always doing something. But hey I'm just a PC RIGHT, I THINK I know...

 

[DR Milo]

Every time i have taken a police man/women hostage i have had great respons from the police trying to make sure the officer comes home safely. it all depends on how u do it.

PS: this isn't a dig at the police its a genuine question.

yes it is other wise you would just go to the police rebel room to talk to them about it, you are just trying to start an argument here

and i would just like to add

im only looking for people rank SGT+ to comment on why stuff like this happenes because I can't be dealing with PCSO's who think they know what's it like when they have been in the police less then a week.

just because someone is a PCSO dosent mean they d

But somehow the whole police force is already responding when the police have no comms I have countless videos of stuff like this happening and I have been in contact with Walt recently about it but it just keeps happening. We simply ask to be left alone we don't need money...

Well the answer to that one was when he first saw you he called it in. then u came to him and rob him just like you said.

please stop trying to start fights on the forums u r now trying to say that they are also talking when they r dead. Which i would just like to point out for everyone the police do no such thing.

I have all that situation recorded which will be rendered out tomorrow.

if you have it recorded then take it to the Police complaints department. No need in trying to start another police / Rebel fight on the forums 

 

[Fuel]

The thing is , we play on server 1 (when it doesnt have issues) , also i want to start with saying these are no shots fired to LOV or LCN.

LOV and LCN are really inactive on server 1 (correct me if im wrong) , our biggest enemy on the server is the police.

we dont play on any server other than server 1 dude

 

[Reece Smurf]

Sadly I have to agree with fetty, I understand if the negotiations have gone to shit! But I've had a situation the other day I took a DSGT hostage he even said over comms that I was just taking him on a tour then will return him to kavala PD I end up crashing loosing my wheels which is were I ask for a negotiator with a tool kit next thing I know cops swam my car shoot my last 2 tiers out and which is when the DSGT is killed by me (he suicided for me as I would of shot him if it wasn't for the game limitations) there was absolutely no value for this officers life.