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Why are we starting to ban players for actions deserving of a warning? Or just a quick speaking to?
- Thread starter Dagre
- Start date
- Location
- Glasgow
Personally I think the way that the Staff Team and the Management Team deal with bans is very effective. However, as mentioned above if there was one thing I would change it would be relating to bans you get when you first start playing. I know some people have been banned simply because they were new and perhaps didn't read the rules as throughly as they could have. For example, if your first ban is for something not too major, like VDM, then surely it is unfair if a year to two down the line, you still have that ban hanging over you like a bad smell even though you have proven yourself to be a valued member of the community.
And don't think I'm moaning, I'm not. Im just simply saying that for some who get banned when they first join, they could maybe get a clean slate. Apart from that I think the staff teams do a splendid job
And don't think I'm moaning, I'm not. Im just simply saying that for some who get banned when they first join, they could maybe get a clean slate. Apart from that I think the staff teams do a splendid job
Scott1sh
Banned
I think you should just all be like me to be honest been here a year and never been banned,
- Location
- Republic Of Ireland
Yeah I know, But thats what I mean I messed up the first time and now its came back, I'm not trying get pity, I'm happy I wasnt community banned to be honest, Pity is the last thing I'm looking for.
PeachMaster
Destroyer of Apples
- Location
- Sweden
Imagine if i did the same mistake i did 1 year and what 4 months ago?
I drove a truck a truck straight into cop HQ and VDEMED like 3-5 cops and crashing into the HQ, If i got banned there i probably wouldn't come back due to me having no idea how of an awesome server i just found and didn't care about role play servers.
Luckily i didn't get banned instant on the spot and instead Instead you let me evolve into the awesome PeachMaster!
Imagine how many more beautiful "future" role players we have kicked out!
I drove a truck a truck straight into cop HQ and VDEMED like 3-5 cops and crashing into the HQ, If i got banned there i probably wouldn't come back due to me having no idea how of an awesome server i just found and didn't care about role play servers.
Luckily i didn't get banned instant on the spot and instead Instead you let me evolve into the awesome PeachMaster!
Imagine how many more beautiful "future" role players we have kicked out!
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I believe this is true. We are humans, mistakes happen. You need to explain to the person his mistake. I believe this issue is one of the reasons why we are slowly seeing a decrease in player numbers. Also the lack of any big ideas or additions to the content plays a role.
- Location
- Glasgow
I'm not sure what you mean by this really. Are you not aware that the development team have been working on a new framework for quite a while now which will bring lots of new content of us?
- Location
- Under JohnJoeegans bed :D
I can see a common trend here, were bans come back to bite people later on down the line, i know its a long shot but why not implement a refresher for example after six months any previous bans or strikes for lesser offences refresh, so people are not as scared of being straight up banned for a minor offense because as everyones saying PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES!
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Haywire
Escaped Convict
- Location
- England
I have been here for well over a year and haven't been banned once because I have been fortunate enough to resolve any mistakes I make with the player involved. However, the reason it seems like so many people report each other without trying to resolve is because you don't actually see the conflicts that have been resolved by the players. I reckon if every conflict was written down you would see a vast majority of them resolved by two mature players.
You can't really know that changing the ban culture wont work because of a few people. I'd like to say that at least 80% of the community would benefit from a slight change in the system. Even if that change was as simple as all admins being instructed to talk to the player whenever possible. Even if it was only:
"Are you aware of what you're doing" or something like that. If the player doesn't respond or is disrespectful then lay down the ban and if he realises his mistake and instantly corrects it a warning should suffice. You can't really fix the report system..that comes down to the players and the community can only move as fast as the slowest member.
I just wanna add that I might come across as disrespectful towards the admin team but that's not the case at all. I got a lot of respect for the work you guys do i'm just sharing my opinions
Angus MacKinnon
Well-known member
- Location
- Edinburgh
If you had the opportunity to put yourself in the teams shoes I'm sure you'd understand.
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I believe that 40 people compared to the 2500-3000 unique players logging in daily to the servers is nothing, but hey your opinions matter and maybe he raises a good point (we will come onto that) for those wondering no Dagre wont be getting banned for his opinion as its constructive unlike people in the past. (Don't try to silence someone who is raising a point)
The ban system for us works extremely well, We get commended all the time in being the server in the Roleplay world that is the most clean something we take great pride in, I myself don't have time to babysit people nor does the rest of the team and we shouldn't need to.
I do agree that not every rule is listed, but how big of a rules page do we actually want ?... Its rather big now, There needs to be an element of common sense there really does.
Now usually these threads start when someone is banned or someone you know is banned... I am pretty sure I can put 50 quid on it now that this is the case here @Dagreso please advise what they were banned for and any links to that case.
I am a little confused by this carrying 2 people rule... I am guessing this is the Police or one person carrying 2 restrained people ?... if so then yes you should not really carry two people, Its lazy gameplay!... Should we ban for that...No 100% not.
I decided to let this thread run before commenting to see which direction it went and as per normal it went in all sorts of directions, I think you need to remember that no one is getting paid here, We do the best we can and in my view doing a brilliant job and will continue to do so there is a vast vast amount of different aspects and different bad things people get upto... being part of the staff or management team is not easy... you wouldn't believe the shit people get upto rather than Roleplay!
Please link me to the case about the 2 players so I can review and feedback to the staff team and also get there view on what else happened (there's always something more to it), If nothing else happened then its a one off bad case.
On another note... I would like @DainMKto comment on if a member of the staff team has time to talk to every single player before banning.
He is a very very helpful person and has more patience than most and I am pretty sure by experience and volume of players he will provide a brilliant conclusion on the point on " A[COLOR= rgb(191, 191, 191)]ll admins being instructed to talk to the player whenever possible."[/COLOR]
[COLOR= rgb(191, 191, 191)]90% of our bans are people who are not here to Roleplay[/COLOR]
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Thesoldier
Banned
- Location
- Florida, USA
This is a perfect example of why the "Warn before you ban" mentality doesn't work.
He broke NLR, staff member decides to be nice and give him a warning about it, and player decides to argue.
He broke NLR, staff member decides to be nice and give him a warning about it, and player decides to argue.
Haywire
Escaped Convict
- Location
- England
I just wanna say that people who come onto the forums and socialize with the community here are usually people who are very dedicated to the server. 40 compared to 2000 people doesn't seem much but it's no often a post gets 40 likes here and when it does I think it shows a large portion of long-time members agree with said post.
Also everyone massively appreciates the work that you do and the rest of the staff. Sometimes posts like this come across as a dig towards the admins but it's really more of a suggestion.
Fetty Wap
Rich Hobo
- Location
- United Kingdom
Im only member support but I always try and explain to people what they did wrong its only if its blatant where I would feel obliged to fill in a report. As far as long standing members of the community go if it is something very small I would rather discuss it with them and get another opinion on what they did instead of reporting. However I treat them the same as I would a Kavala hobo if what they do is blatant like mass RDM in a Greenzone then I will not give them a talking to before hand.
I do believe in some cases admins could speak before banning but its a stressful thing to do watching over 125 players at peak times.
But that's just my two pence on the matter
I do believe in some cases admins could speak before banning but its a stressful thing to do watching over 125 players at peak times.
But that's just my two pence on the matter
This thread is aimed towards @TI Robin ban he was banned for escorting two restrained cops at once.
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Drama Lama
Well-known member
- Location
- Finland
I was pretty new on this server and I had my hemmit/tempest on a line of green zone and I was going back and forth to drug dealer and back after few times I saw in-game admin next to the truck and he did bring me the point that keeping illegal things in green zone is against the rules (I knew that then). Well then i looked on a map and realized it was on line of greenzone and we resolved the thing by speaking under 1minute, I've already spend my 1 chance to be on this island and Im happy that this wasn't the first one back in the days here I am proud member of this awesome and best community!
Well I was avoiding posting here but there goes that plan..
If I were instructed to talk to the majority of people I issue bans to, nothing would get done. There was a period a while back when I didn't have the permissions to kick people from the server, and as such had to speak with everyone I was banning. It was horrible. 95% of people do their absolute best to convince me not to issue the ban, and the other 5% just hurl abuse. Of that 95% perhaps I would feel bad for 5% or so who I felt would have benefited form a chat. The majority group, 90%, are the ones fully deserving of a ban.
Now I agree to a point with Dagre's post. So much so that 3 weeks ago I suggested at a staff meeting that we be more lenient with first time offenders, or people breaking some of the more subtle rules. We were given the go ahead and I'm pleased with the results. When I find a rule breaker now I look into their history a bit more. If they've been playing less than 10 days I tend to make friendly contact and suggest they read the rules. Notes are made on player accounts, and if that person continues to break rules there is no disputing the fact they were warned to read them.
The only other time I may consider speaking directly to people is after watching a complex situation unfold, with potential rule violations. Once the situation is over I would find both parties, and find out what I need to. This usually results in fairly even warnings/bans issued, depending on what is revealed in that conversation.
So, I hope this reassures some of you that we aren't banning 100% of rule violations. We expect you guys to use common sense when following the rules, but also we must use our common sense when enforcing them. But to suggest we speak with the majority of the people we ban is too much. Speaking with 100% in order to find the 5% is just inefficient, and would take up our time we could be using for more serious offences.
Hope that answers a few questions.
- Location
- Portugal
Regardless of people thinking otherwise, we do hear the community out.
We came up with an idea that will help change our ban policy but still making it our way of dealing with things, if it goes forward like i think it will be, it's going to be more beneficial for the current old timers.
As i see it, if you get banned once when you join, stay on the community 1 year without any offenses just to get banned because of a pissed off day, this strategy we worked on will help those players.
As for new players not following the rules, or claiming they didn't read it when they join.. it's their problem. Every decent game has rules, it's up to you to follow them or not, and up to us to enforce it without questioning. There is plenty of people in-game, on teamspeak and forum content for players to use that old players didn't have and still made it without bans.
We came up with an idea that will help change our ban policy but still making it our way of dealing with things, if it goes forward like i think it will be, it's going to be more beneficial for the current old timers.
As i see it, if you get banned once when you join, stay on the community 1 year without any offenses just to get banned because of a pissed off day, this strategy we worked on will help those players.
As for new players not following the rules, or claiming they didn't read it when they join.. it's their problem. Every decent game has rules, it's up to you to follow them or not, and up to us to enforce it without questioning. There is plenty of people in-game, on teamspeak and forum content for players to use that old players didn't have and still made it without bans.
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- Location
- The Marmite Pit
No because then people don't have a reason to come onto the forums and read the rules, they'll just wait to be automatically unbanned. The benefit of the system we have is that banned players have to come to the website where the rules are in order to get unbanned.