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Whats is the UK's opinion on the American War of Independence?

Blasty

Blasty

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My university class, Modern Military History has me wondering. Considering most if not all media antagonizes the Brits.

 
Apparently it's a big subject in the US. Me personally, never learnt about it in school

 
It's a war that was basically pointless; racist southern states wanted to maintain slavery and disagrees against the norther states whom wanted to make slaves free (or something to that degree (which were racist, Lincoln didn't even agree with equality but was more morally correct than most with regards to being against slavery (he was brought up by a family that owned slaves..))of which the presidency couldn't allow so when the south rebelled they attacked them to control them again.. Not that it achieved much for slavery because the ex slaves were still highly predujusticed against and fucked over by the government and society.. 

( I would go more in depth but I am at work..!)

What do you mean it antagonises us? 

 
Samatlewis said:
It's a war that was basically pointless; racist southern states wanted to maintain slavery and disagrees against the norther states whom wanted to make slaves free (or something to that degree (which were racist, Lincoln didn't even agree with equality but was more morally correct than most with regards to being against slavery (he was brought up by a family that owned slaves..))of which the presidency couldn't allow so when the south rebelled they attacked them to control them again.. Not that it achieved much for slavery because the ex slaves were still highly predujusticed against and fucked over by the government and society.. 

( I would go more in depth but I am at work..!)

What do you mean it antagonises us? 
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I think you're confusing the Revolutionary War between Americans vs Brits and the US Civil War Yanks vs Confeds?

 
here in Sweden you read about the american revolution aswell as the french revolution in 9th grade (15-16 year olds)

wouldnt make any sense if it never got talked about in UK schools

 
Zeito said:
I think you're confusing the Revolutionary War between Americans vs Brits and the US Civil War Yanks vs Confeds?
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Yes, he very much is and I do not appreciate it.

Samatlewis said:
It's a war that was basically pointless; racist southern states wanted to maintain slavery and disagrees against the norther states whom wanted to make slaves free (or something to that degree (which were racist, Lincoln didn't even agree with equality but was more morally correct than most with regards to being against slavery (he was brought up by a family that owned slaves..))of which the presidency couldn't allow so when the south rebelled they attacked them to control them again.. Not that it achieved much for slavery because the ex slaves were still highly predujusticed against and fucked over by the government and society.. 

( I would go more in depth but I am at work..!)

What do you mean it antagonises us? 
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Wrong war. Think 80 years prior.

 
Blasty said:
My university class, Modern Military History has me wondering. Considering most if not all media antagonizes the Brits.
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We never learned about it in school, however I only did history up to a certain point and then dropped it as it was optional. It's interesting you say that most media antagonises the Brits, would you as an american see the British in a bad light?

I've a question for you Blasty, now i might be simplifying some of the reasons for the war but i understand it was down (partly) to Taxation without Representation, i.e. the British was levying high taxies on the colonies to fund the home countries.

How do you an american feel this pertains to Peurto Rico, which is taxed and has US law enforced upon it, however it is not a State, nor is it allowed to join the Statehood, and has no Representation in the US Senate or Congress? I see that as 'Taxation without Representation'. And although their citizens are considered Natural Born US citiens, they may not run for Vice President, or POTUS. They're literally treated like second-class citizens.

Not that I'm saying the US are slave-driving colonial masters like the British were back then, but im interested in your views (as a university-level historian) on the big disparity there.

Edit: 2nd unrelated question - What does your Modern Military History class say on the matter of better GL Carrier rigs?

couldn't resist plz no h8/ban

 
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Zeito said:
We never learned about it in school, however I only did history up to a certain point and then dropped it as it was optional. It's interesting you say that most media antagonises the Brits, would you as an american see the British in a bad light?

I've a question for you Blasty, now i might be simplifying some of the reasons for the war but i understand it was down (partly) to Taxation without Representation, i.e. the British was levying high taxies on the colonies to fund the home countries.

How do you an american feel this pertains to Peurto Rico, which is taxed and has US law enforced upon it, however it is not a State, nor is it allowed to join the Statehood, and has no Representation in the US Senate or Congress? I see that as 'Taxation without Representation'. And although their citizens are considered Natural Born US citiens, they may not run for Vice President, or POTUS. They're literally treated like second-class citizens.

Not that I'm saying the US are slave-driving colonial masters like the British were back then, but im interested in your views (as a university-level historian) on the big disparity there.

Edit: 2nd unrelated question - What does your Modern Military History class say on the matter of better GL Carrier rigs?

couldn't resist plz no h8/ban
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On Puerto Rico, I had voted for Trump and he has made statements that open the possibility of statehood for puerto Rico. I personally think it's governor is a corrupt piece of trash. So yeah, especially this close to the mainland of the US, I'm all for a 51st star on our flag!

As for carrier rigs. History says we need improvements by upgrading Kevlar to spider silk.

Also by media that antagonizes the British in history I have a small list here that sums up everything else.

The Patriot 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Patriot_(2000_film)

The American Revolution documentary series.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_American_Revolution_(miniseries)

The AMC series TURN: Washington's Spies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn:_Washington's_Spies

 
Blasty said:
On Puerto Rico, I had voted for Trump and he has made statements that open the possibility of statehood for puerto Rico. I personally think it's governor is a corrupt piece of trash. So yeah, especially this close to the mainland of the US, I'm all for a 51st star on our flag!
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I guess it's maybe more of a civics question on what the benefits and drawbacks are for having PR as the 51st state, though at the minute the US seems to be getting all the benefits, i.e. tax, workers etc. with few drawbacks, as it's not as if they're not us citizens. Yet PR gets the raw deal by being excluded from a lot of the benefits of being a proper state. Does the same situation affect places like Guam? What about DC - is it considered a state of sorts?

I'd very much like to move to america one day. I'm hoping I wouldnt be considered undesirable since I'll be an immigrant when the day comes.

 
Zeito said:
I guess it's maybe more of a civics question on what the benefits and drawbacks are for having PR as the 51st state, though at the minute the US seems to be getting all the benefits, i.e. tax, workers etc. with few drawbacks, as it's not as if they're not us citizens. Yet PR gets the raw deal by being excluded from a lot of the benefits of being a proper state. Does the same situation affect places like Guam? What about DC - is it considered a state of sorts?

I'd very much like to move to america one day. I'm hoping I wouldnt be considered undesirable since I'll be an immigrant when the day comes.
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I am not too knowledgeable on Guam. DC, is not a state, it is the Seat of Government Power and is like the Vatican is to Italy but not its own country.

Contrary to what the Main Stream Media tells you, Trump supporters are not ANTI-IMMIGRATION. We are ANTI-Illegal Immigration. As long you go through the legal process like everyone else, we'd be more than happy to welcome you here.

In the words of Melania Trump being asked a question on why she supports Trump's immigration policy despite being an Immigrant herself, "I followed the law."

 
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Blasty said:
I am not too knowledgeable on Guam. DC, is not a state, it is the Seat of Government Power and is like the Vatican is to Italy but not its own country.
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I'm not sure your comparison there is good as the vatican + italy are totally different countries, but DC isnt a different country inside the US. 

Blasty said:
Contrary to what the Main Stream Media tells you, Trump supporters are not ANTI-IMMIGRATION. We are ANTI-Illegal Immigration. As long you go through the legal process like everyone else, we'd be more than happy to welcome you here. Also 90% of what the Media portrays Trump Supporters as is False. We are not racists, people of all ethnic and racial groups support trump. We are not Islamophobes, we have plenty of Muslims who support trump and are Anti-Sharia. We are not sexists, We have TONS of women who support Trump and are high positions of power themselves, They also know what the "Third Wave Feminists" which are today's feminists are batshit insane. 

In the words of Melania Trump being asked a question on why she supports Trump's immigration policy despite being an Immigrant herself, "I followed the law."
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While not wanting to focus strictly on Trumps policies, the US is not a friendly country to visit from an outsiders POV. It's the only country I've visited where CBP guards are barking and shouting orders at you like your cattle or a piece of shit on their boot. Being searched, frisked, searched again, groped, subjected to millimeter wave scans etc. It doesnt bear a "Hey welcome to our wonderful country!" Even when I travelled from Ireland (which has US immigration there, so you arrive as a domestic passenger) your quizzed and shouted at, swabbed, searched. Though it's a much better experience.

Granted the majority of my travel is around the EU where it's effectively borderless, you do i quick 'heres my passport' and on you go, but the US is the only country i visited that makes you feel worthless when you arrive, and thats after a 9hr flight!

But hey, we're getting away from your original question and I dont want to derail your thread. Thanks for the insights.

 
I come from East of the UK, and honestly we were never taught anything regarding the American War of Independence. It was only briefly mentioned (which I vaguely remember) but it never appeared in our examinations or anything like that. Though, I never took History any higher than secondary education. 

If we look at modern-day events taking place currently, the mainstream media here in Britain often scrutinises the actions America has been taking with the war in Syria and its trade involvement in Saudi Arabia. I'd be interested to see how these events are written down and then, read the books in the next 50 or so years from the viewpoint of both American and British writers. I imagine both books will be vastly different in wording, and on who the blame lies with, etc. 

Without getting off-track though, yeah.. I'm pretty sure we don't really cover it down here. At least during my school days we didn't.

 
@BluishBlue Anything prior to GCSE and A-level with relation to America all I remember is how the Native American's were irradiated! Then it was mainly WW1/2 A bit about the monarchy and Australia..

 
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Samatlewis said:
@BluishBlue Anything prior to GCSE and A-level with relation to America all I remember is how the Native American's were irradiated! Then it was mainly WW1/2 A bit about the monarchy and Australia..
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Literally the same haha, studied a bit about the Indian tribes and then WW1/2 and the economic boom (wall street crash) following the war. Never studied Australia though.

 
Good riddance! I'm happy to take that loss.

 
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