What do you mean I didn't RP? I was shooting at your wheels not you.

[Cutter]

This is something that is becoming more common and I think needs to be talked about.

Here's the scenario, you're driving down the road in your truck, and someone pulls around and ahead of you. They then proceed to get out and shoot your wheels. No RP has been initiated, but your only real options is to get out and defend yourself.

This scenario comes up all too often while I've been trucking, and I consider it terrible RP. Im not sure why shooting at the wheels is an acceptable response, when people make no effort to do anything to stop the vehicle, other than to shoot. Do people expect that after being fired upon that yhe driver will merely get out and have a chat, possibly just hand over their keys? I don't see when this is ever going to be the out come, they're going to defend themselves and their property after being shot at. Shooting at the wheels of a truck completely negates RP as the driver will most likely come out looking to defend themselves.

People say, how else are we supposed to stop trucks? I'd say, put some actual thought into it. These people are opportunists, they see a truck, they have to stop it. It could be empty for all they know. Try having a bit more creativity, scout for vehicles, ambush them in areas where you can stop them with blockades or at traders. Yes this takes more effort, but I'm sure people would be more willing to comply if you didn't just make yourselves look like opportunistic assholes.

 

[Yamiez]

+1

 

[Mycaelis]

Well said.

 

[JohnJoeegan]

I agree, It is piss poor Role play. And should be thought about Deeply i have had it happen to me many off times (As a cop) Nevermind as a civilian and heck i have had so many complaints when we get out the car a fire back and it is just not on  +1 To this.

*Edit* - Just wanted to show a video from my point of view and probably many, this is about a month old this video and the guys in it are great and we spoke after the incident and sorted it out,

 

[Lemmen]

I agree, I don't like the way of shooting the tires to get someone's truck, I'd rather have them get no choice but surrender, for example have a truck blocking the road and then when the truck comes it stops then you drive up in a car (armed offroad ) And then give the driver no choice but to surrender, All without using a single bullet.

 

[Sovereign]

I agree, I don't like the way of shooting the tires to get someone's truck, I'd rather have them get no choice but surrender, for example have a truck blocking the road and then when the truck comes it stops then you drive up in a car (armed offroad ) And then give the driver no choice but to surrender, All without using a single bullet.

An armed offroad costs money and people don't want to spend it. It's also not finacially viable for anyone relatively new due to the price. You would have to be here a few weeks to be safe to not lose everything investing in a robbery.

 

[Lemmen]

An armed offroad costs money and people don't want to spend it. It's also not finacially viable for anyone relatively new due to the price. You would have to be here a few weeks to be safe to not lose everything investing in a robbery.

That is true however i meant it as my preferred vehicle to do it in, you could do it in a normal offroad with a couple of MX's

 

[Man]

_M_

 

[Kris!]

I've got mixed opinions on this. Too many times people will use the simple use that VDM is against server rules and will just drive. We can't pull them over any other way. We can setup a road block but what of you're one or two people against a few?

It's not entirely hard to aim for the tyres and people should know by now not to shoot at SUV's. Generally speaking, we don't target any regular civ vehicles anyway, go for gold, go for trucks.

 

[Mycaelis]

I just hate the pathetic opportunistic nature of shooting tyres out. I think if you want to stop a truck. Setup a proper blockade or spike strip or even follow and try to initiate role play. 99% of the time it's a single guy or two are just like 'oh its a truck. We have no strategy... SHOOT ITS TYRES'

 

[Cutter]

 I've got mixed opinions on this. Too many times people will use the simple use that VDM is against server rules and will just drive. We can't pull them over any other way.

Really? No other way? When salt was still popular, the Marmite miners would have several people on the ground at the trader, and 2 people in the air in a chopper, scouting the roads, mine and processing while relaying information on trucks which were possible targets for the people on the ground. The problem here is people who do this shooting out the wheels shit want instant gratification with the least work, there are plenty of ways to stop a truck, or as we would do, allow them to stop themselves at traders or processing, where we could easily surround them and actually RP.  These people just don't want to bother having to put in the effort.

 We can setup a road block but what of you're one or two people against a few?

Then you're probably going to get fucked, just as you'd get fucked if your 2 guys in a pickup start shooting the wheels of a truck with 4-5 guys in it, you're robbing people here, these are the risks you take. At least with a road block and ambush you're in command, you demand they stay in their vehicles, you call the shots. Once you've shot someones wheels it's game on, those guys are going to pile out of their vehicles and try to kill you in defense of their cargo. 

It's not entirely hard to aim for the tyres and people should know by now not to shoot at SUV's.

Nobody diasgrees, but what people have shown is that they agree that this is shitty ass RP, because nobody in their right mind is going to RP with you after you've shot at their truck, you've completely negated RP and they're going to come out shooting. Which is why I would like to see this as a rule that you can't just shoot at wheels of vehicles and call that RP.

 

[Kris!]

Really? No other way? When salt was still popular, the Marmite miners would have several people on the ground at the trader, and 2 people in the air in a chopper, scouting the roads, mine and processing while relaying information on trucks which were possible targets for the people on the ground. The problem here is people who do this shooting out the wheels shit want instant gratification with the least work, there are plenty of ways to stop a truck, or as we would do, allow them to stop themselves at traders or processing, where we could easily surround them and actually RP. These people just don't want to bother having to put in the effort.

Then you're probably going to get fucked, just as you'd get fucked if your 2 guys in a pickup start shooting the wheels of a truck with 4-5 guys in it, you're robbing people here, these are the risks you take. At least with a road block and ambush you're in command, you demand they stay in their vehicles, you make the demands. Once you've shot someones wheels it's game on, those guys are going to pile out of their vehicles and try to kill you in defense of their cargo.

Nobody diasgrees, but what people have shown is that they agree that this is shitty ass RP, because nobody in their right mind is going to RP with you after you've shot at their truck, you've completely negated RP and they're going to come out shooting. Which is why I would like to see this as a rule that you can't just shoot at wheels of vehicles and call that RP.

You'll need to excuse my lack of reply, typing on a phone is no easy task!
Obviously we would only go for the tyres if several armed men yelling commands for them to stop didn't work, even then you don't task risks - if you can't get a shot on tyres, don't pull the trigger.

As for taking tyres out decreases RP, I disagree. I feel as though people being worthless and trying to get away from several armed men who have very large weapons kill the RP, it's like saying "no RP thanks, I've got too much coin on me". That being said, I've had some great encounters with people who've had their tyres shot, put their hands up and admitted trying to get away was a bad idea. Given they face the facts and give up without making us run after a damaged vehicle from kavala to athira, we will still tax and let them be. If they're going to be assholes about it and want to drag it out half way across the map in a vehicle capable of maxing 20km/h knowing we can't ram them, we will likely take it all.

 

[Flam3]

EDIT: I did have a long rant here, but it dawned on me that most of it was during my experiences like, a few months ago so things might have changed!

Bit I agree with the OP in some sense, I mean logic would have you turn and go the other way if you see a few armed men at a roadblock on the horizon and if they started to shoot at you, regardless if it was to shoot out your tyres to pretty much get your attention (which I do find quite silly if I'm honest), you'd assume they are quite hostile anyway.

 

[meow]

I agree.

 

[fuckThisImOut]

If you shoot at someone they gunna shoot back, it common sense. Use some for-thought to stop them. If you want rp you don't force it with bullets. Its just going to end in a fire fight if they have weapons. If however they told u to stop and you don't comply then all is fair but I don't think you should be able to just disable a vehicle for driving when nothing has been said.

Just my opinion.

 

[Kris!]

If you shoot at someone they gunna shoot back, it common sense. Use some for-thought to stop them. If you want rp you don't force it with bullets. Its just going to end in a fire fight if they have weapons. If however they told u to stop and you don't comply then all is fair but I don't think you should be able to just disable a vehicle for driving when nothing has been said.

Just my opinion.

Like I stated earlier, people have options. If you come to a check point which is manned by rebels, you have two choices. Try your luck and escape, avoiding role play or engage in role play with those at the checkpoint.

Option 1 May result in your tyres being shot out. For example, if you're a driver of a HEMMT who has their tyres shot out for avoiding role play and not stopping at the demand of several men with weapons, jumping out of the vehicle and trying to spray down several people is just a dumb thing to do and breaks role play further.

My suggestion? Avoid your tyres being shot out. Avoid a gun fight. Either take the back roads to your destination or engage in role play and see where it takes you.

 

[fuckThisImOut]

Like I stated earlier, people have options. If you come to a check point which is manned by rebels, you have two choices. Try your luck and escape, avoiding role play or engage in role play with those at the checkpoint.

Option 1 May result in your tyres being shot out. For example, if you're a driver of a HEMMT who has their tyres shot out for avoiding role play and not stopping at the demand of several men with weapons, jumping out of the vehicle and trying to spray down several people is just a dumb thing to do and breaks role play further.

My suggestion? Avoid your tyres being shot out. Avoid a gun fight. Either take the back roads to your destination or engage in role play and see where it takes you.

I won't trust anyone who shoots at me, sure if there is a checkpoint and you obviously avoid it then you should be chased. For instance there was a checkpoint police right outside unmc. Now police rules say they can't shoot tyres etc for several minutes. So why do they shoot immediately?

I can understand you think fleeing is abstaining from rp but that isn't true, if you come across heavily armed men and go around, without them being able to tell you to stop or anything, they can just disable your vehicle and rob and kill you anyway. Its easy as hell to rob anyway. This is just a let's camp somewhere shoot tyres rob and kill...repeat...

Rt here must be a solution to this as it is not inductive of rp situations. Instead of letting anyone shoot tyres why not make them chase you like police have to. Just seems these robbers habe it ectremely eady atm as police really dont do anything about it that ive seen so far.

Anyway just an opinion im sure everyone has their own.

 

[Flam3]

I won't trust anyone who shoots at me, sure if there is a checkpoint and you obviously avoid it then you should be chased. For instance there was a checkpoint police right outside unmc. Now police rules say they can't shoot tyres etc for several minutes. So why do they shoot immediately?

I can understand you think fleeing is abstaining from rp but that isn't true, if you come across heavily armed men and go around, without them being able to tell you to stop or anything, they can just disable your vehicle and rob and kill you anyway. Its easy as hell to rob anyway. This is just a let's camp somewhere shoot tyres rob and kill...repeat...

Rt here must be a solution to this as it is not inductive of rp situations. Instead of letting anyone shoot tyres why not make them chase you like police have to. Just seems these robbers habe it ectremely eady atm as police really dont do anything about it that ive seen so far.

Anyway just an opinion im sure everyone has their own.

I agree with this completely, people that do take up the role of just wanting to rob people have indeed got it very easy and there is nothing to deter them otherwise. Sure you become wanted, but inevitably that leads to a gunfight which of course people like, so it's a win win either way for them, chances are they end up dying, then they become clean to rinse and repeat.

I don't however agree with Police not doing anything, they can't do something about a robbery if it doesn't get reported by other people, and then again if you aren't able to catch the robbers name as they are robbing you then nothing can really be done anyway otherwise you'd be accused of metagaming.

 

[Kris!]

I won't trust anyone who shoots at me, sure if there is a checkpoint and you obviously avoid it then you should be chased. For instance there was a checkpoint police right outside unmc. Now police rules say they can't shoot tyres etc for several minutes. So why do they shoot immediately?

I can understand you think fleeing is abstaining from rp but that isn't true, if you come across heavily armed men and go around, without them being able to tell you to stop or anything, they can just disable your vehicle and rob and kill you anyway. Its easy as hell to rob anyway. This is just a let's camp somewhere shoot tyres rob and kill...repeat...

Rt here must be a solution to this as it is not inductive of rp situations. Instead of letting anyone shoot tyres why not make them chase you like police have to. Just seems these robbers habe it ectremely eady atm as police really dont do anything about it that ive seen so far.

Anyway just an opinion im sure everyone has their own.

so you think rebels should have to wait 3 minutes before they can open fire on someone as well? I think you're relying too much on the RDM rule. Your character has to be in a state of mind that living in altis could be your last day. You're not going to wake up from a 7.62 between the eyes, which would literally happen if you avoided a checkpoint manned by rebels. They wouldn't tax you or try to engage in a conversation with you. If you tried to back away from it, they will simply end you. Yet here you are, trying your luck, trying the odds of 1 to 7, just because you care more for your HEMTT of iron than your life.
It simply boils down too, if you don't want to stop and engage in role play, your tyres will be shot and you will be forced to role play. Your decision not to trust those people, can very easily be perceived as you're not valuing your life.