Unban Appeal - IMaGiiKsI - GTA RP

[Trusdale]

Unban Appeal for IMaGiiKsI 

In-game Name: Jake King

Server: GTA RP

Steam ID: 76561198042091824

Ban ID: !!rpuk9334!!

Reason given for your ban: G2.4 - Forum Report

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.: Banned for not valuing life when i should have, and not being truthful at the time,

Why should we unban you ?: I believe I should be unbanned because it was a very tough situation, and both parties could’ve done the whole situation better. It was a massive mess on both ends. I just got the worse of it and was banned for something thats so easily avoided.

I apologise for everything that happened at the time and have apologised tons of times too the person who it effected. Now to attack the elephant in the room, yes I was revived by a medic, but that was after the RP scenario had ended and I was left there, after it happened I took some time away from the city to reflect on what had happened. I felt awful, I decided to message the guy in the report to try and fix the whole situation that had happened and make it right he just didn’t want too.

I apologise for what happened and I apologised to the person who reported me at the time, both in the report and in a private message. It wasn’t a good situation from both sides and we both admitted it was shocking RP from both sides. I thought that I was Doing the right thing at the time and trying to stall until friends could come and save me and they didn’t. Sadly that meant that it was seen that I was not valuing my life which at the time I honestly thought I wasn’t breaking because of the situation.
Before the report was placed all of this could’ve been solved on teamspeak. He said that he tried to talk to me but he didn’t. I never saw any form of trying or any OOC messages about it. But after i learned that he wanted to try and solve it I offered to try and talk to him as it should have been at first and even offered to reimburse him for all the items I was holding that he should have got and all the money he spent on the defibs, (50k I believe). so that yes it might have been a few days later… because I hadn’t been in the city since that happened but after all I sat down with myself and realised that he deserved the items and I was just being stupid in hoping I got saved quickly enough and could see as to why it was seen as NVL.

I tried to get him onto teamspeak to discuss about giving him everything with an admin present so that the RP on that night would’ve gone a way that was satisfactory enough that the report was no longer needed, but he didn’t want to do that. i strongly felt that the report itself was a revenge report because as it happened and he was quite mad at the time and even after days had gone by and both of us had time to calm down and after me trying multiple times to make it right with him he didn’t want to try… even tho in the report he said he was open to it. I feel that the revenge report side of the story wasn’t fully investigated because I got revived by a medic when i should have said that (even if it was after the RP ended). I’m not defending what i did by any means, it was the wrong thing to do and i know that, I should have just bought it up in a further response. Which I’m awfully sorry about and apologise to the admin who dealt with the case about that.

I wasn't and still isnt massively happy that the revenge side was just brushed aside instantly because of that (but I understand why having looked back at it).
I want/wanted to make it right. A lot of reports on this server get solved by doing the right thing and doing what was right and a lot of people give you that oppurtunity to correct it either after the report and have it closed or before it’s even posted, i feel extremly hard done by here that when i know i was in the wrong after thinking about it and then Offering to correct it all he refused to allow me to correct it. (Which I understand is his choice, but to refuse multiple attempts to correct it didn’t sit right with me which is why I called it out as a revenge report). 

I’m someone who usually takes my role play very seriously, I’m in the NHS and try my hardest to have my roleplay set at a good standard as police and NHS are held at a different standard to the usual RP. I have to keep all my characters to this standard and im going to work on that as I don’t really play on my crim and have a lot to learn about them so that next time I’m put into a situation I’m not normally in I can do better.

I made a RP decision to try and stall, which sadly was the wrong decision and resulted in the rule break and then my ban, I have work to do on improving my criminal RP, and would love a chance to do that. 

After it happened and I had time to process it all I realised that I should’ve just handed the items over and got my friends together to find them and steal them back which would’ve been the right course of actions. But it was too late at that point.

If given another chance, I would like to make it right and get in contact with him or have an admin get in contact with him for me and give him what’s rightfully his, I have a feeling he was going to make a compensation request after the report was actioned (which he has done) because rightfully he is out of pocket. And I’d like to offer to complete that request and give him the items in the actioned report and the compensation report without staff needing to dedicate time to it, long as an admin could be present to witness me doing it so that both parties can be happy as-well as the staff. I did try to do this myself but he wouldn’t listen to what I had to say. Which is why the revenge reporting was bought up and accused. 

Once again I am sorry. I tried to make it right I honestly did. I Don’t want something so stupid like this to keep me banned forever, especially since it’s not usually a perm ban offence and shouldve just been sorted out over TS.
I love this city and have so many ongoing RP’s in it. Own a house, a couple cars, I’m in a gang, and also a multitude of other things on other characters. I’ve spent a lot of time in this city, made a lot of friends, and I’ve grinded a lot of hours to get what I own, it would be a shame to lose it all now over this as that would be heartbreaking for me to lose all those hours over not valuing my life. I hopefully can spend many more hours in the city after all this is over. I just want the opportunity to improve my RP as a criminal and reimburse him what he’s owed if that’s allowed.

I’m sorry once again. I hope you can tell how sincere i am, and can tell that I have thought a lot about it all over the days since it happened and thought a lot about learning from this to prevent it happening again. Please know that i do feel awful about it all.

Thank you.

Please confirm that you have read the unban appeal process and rules: Yes

 

[Stuart]

Welcome back @IMaGiiKsI

More than a little disappointed seeing you return so soon since your last appeal, Feels like yesterday I read that appeal, However was only two months ago but still remains it's in my mind knowing you've been here this recently for breaking other rules. The reason this is fresh in my mind is due to your own claims in your last appeal. I'll quote what you said "I always deliver good RP when I’m on my NHS or Police character and I honestly want the chance to improve and get my criminal RP standards up to that quality aswell." Now you return for breaking rules you've claimed you will deliver. Not a good look to say the least. 

Now looking over the report, Your responses and your appeal a few things are apparent. You claimed to have wanted to fix the issue however you decided to lie multiple times and claim you died where you did and respawn to the point yous bumped into each other again in Paleto clothing store however the other party said they left you alone as not to break G4.1 but you did lie in the report and your own response then was caught out lying and ended up right back here. Not a good look in the slightest, You had the opportunity to be honest yet you decided to try and lie your way out of it and attempt to hide behind the rules we have for valid reasons because you didn't like the situation you we're in. 

So you've mentioned this was a tough situation, So I've taken the time to read the report fully including all responses and the attached video that was made against yourself. You also claim it was a massive mess from both parts however from the report there we're allegations made however no evidence to support any claims and neither side really agreeing to what happened prior, Therefore we cannot just simply take someone's word for it. 

You mention "Sadly that meant that it was seen that I was not valuing my life which at the time I honestly thought I wasn’t breaking because of the situation." I will disprove this shortly within my response. 

Whilst yes you did offer to talk with the reporting party in the report they did say due to the lengthy conversation on the report that a TS conversation wouldn't help since you both believed different things, You both believed you we're in the right so a talk via voice in the reporters words and I quote "at this point teamspeak won't change anything". 

You've mentioned that your side wasn't fully investigated, However you mentioned within the report that you have no recording of the situation therefore we can only go off the evidence we have available to us. As mentioned it's difficult to just take someone's word for what happened in situations since people can lie about what happened, Just like you did within the report overall by claims of respawning over what actually happened, You was revived by the NHS. 

You've made the revenge report claim multiple times throughout your appeal, Now Joe Bond (The reporter) did mentioned they called for you in ooc chat after the situation, I can confirm they attempted to have a conversation with you in teamspeak for around 30 minutes, Then offered discord ect however it would appear this was ignored from your part. If you did decide to talk to them maybe the report wouldn't of been made, However players do only have the 24 hour window to decide to make the report and go from there. 

Looking through the actions of what happened I don't believe this was a revenge report as they did attempt to talk to you about the situation whilst yes reports can be made and an extended conversation happens it's down to the reporter should they wish the report be taken down, Over your responses it was more pushing the blame not taking responsibility for your own actions however just clutching at straws by claiming it's everyone's fault but your own. 

Now moving onto the stalling tactic, Whilst yes people are indeed able to stall situations to an extent this can also be done without breaking any rules such as you did within this situation. I'll make it clear what happened from the video, You we're asked to drop items including weapon, ammo, communication devices ect yet you point blank refused and said "I'm not dropping the gun boys" "You know how hard it is to get them". 

You then go on to mention that they will just kill you regardless however one does mention if they have to do a 10 second countdown to be cute about it, Whilst yes this isn't allowed and in this situation didn't happen just claims we're made regarding this you then went onto say "You can't do countdowns, It's against RP Rules". The others then said "Don't ruin it".

You've also said that the report was made just so they could get compensation, In their request that is public it was for the defib that they used when you decided to break server rules, Whilst you've made the offer to give the items over ect it's a little to late for that sort of thing don't you think? 

Indeed this offense doesn't always fall under a permanent ban however it does depend on a few factors now in your case not only 2 months ago you we're informed that ANY ban within a 6 month period will get you right back here so here we are. 

So going off what I've mentioned here why should we even entertain this appeal as you are pushing blame throughout ? 

 

[Trusdale]

I know it’s been so soon, to be honest, since the last ban I haven’t actually played on my criminal because I decided to focus on some other characters, I’ve worked hard to get promoted in the NHS, and get my RP quality up throughout that. I do agree it’s not a good look, I have owned up to everything and took responsibility for it and apologised tons of times to everyone.
 

I understand why you can’t take everyone’s words for it, otherwise everyone would lie, in my replies at the time apart from the revive by the medic the actual events that took place are actually how it happened. And the reason it was such a shit show from the start is because both parties broke rules from the get go, whilst I understand I have no evidence and therefore had nothing to back it up that can’t be investigated. And after being shown that by friends and now staff I understand as to why it was a NVL rulebreak and was why I’m apologising again about it after being shown as to why it’s seen that way because at the time I didn’t believe it was. 

 the time I didn’t think I was breaking the NVL rules. I did explain as to why and after a couple days had passed was also shown by friends as to why it would be seen the other way and also with one shots reply and yourself also see the staff’s side as to why it was actioned to that degree, I don’t disagree with it. 
 

the revenge report at the time accused wasn’t me pushing blame and trying to get him in trouble, I honestly felt that it was… purely because I wanted to fix it and he didn’t, and whilst I understand I had broken rules, I wanted to correct the RP as an experience and give him the items, I wanted this to be a learning experience and see if I couldn’t apologise and manage to fix everything before the actions was needed because that’s how most people learn they learn from mistakes. 
Not defending what I said or did, I just never saw the OOC messages and that’s the truth until he bought them up in his reply in the report which is then when I offered to try and do it. If I had of seen them the first time round I would have jumped right into discord or teamspeak to talk about it and offered the items then.
That’s why once the report was placed and replies was said and done I felt hard done by because if the admins could clearly see I wanted to fix it then why couldn’t the other party and yes I understand that he said he felt it wouldn’t have been fixed, but by that point I had already realised why it was a NVL and been shown why it was seen that way. If he had of spoke to me I would’ve told him this and apologised and given him everything I had on me in the report. Under normal circumstances most people would feel that was satisfactory and that the accused clearly knew why he was reported and was offering to fix it and try to resolve any anger or foul play and from that try to get it to eventually play out as it should’ve. I just felt he was still angry and didn’t want to solve any of it. (Which I do understand why he would have been) I was just upset that I wasn’t given the chance to learn from this and correct it with the affected party. 
 

I feel the compensation bit is a little misunderstood, I never accused him of purely making the report for compensation. I just saw that he wanted compensation after the report was actioned which is why I added it in the appeal after I’d already written it. I had offered him days before the report was looked at all the items and the 50k for the defibs, I didn’t actually know he was going to fill one out I just assumed he would because I know the prices of defibs and he told me himself how much they was. I had wanted to make it right days before the report was looked at and I knew he was out of pocket after being shown why by other people before staff, I felt horrible about the situation and just wanted to give him what he should’ve got on that day. Whilst it was a few days later and a few arguments later it showed that I felt bad about it and was apologetic and anyone could see I wanted to make it right. I still do, even tho his compensation report was granted a measly 50k isn’t what he should have got and he should’ve got the gun and the other items he said on the report which I had offered and still offer to give him. I wanted the right thing done, and right RP to have taken place least where we could both be happy about it, and I could take away from the situation and learn from it(which intend to do, and have). 
 

I wasn’t pushing blame towards the end it was only at the start because the story as to what had happened in the report actually happened the way I said it(build up wise) and he declined it happened even tho he knew that what I had said was the truth, and that annoyed me, because then I felt the report was just him trying to get back at me. I understand why the report was actioned the way it was and I understand why the staff said what they said about it because I did not open up and say I was revived by a medic. I just wanted to see that my side of the report was considered because up until the medic part what I had actually wrote was actually what had happened in the RP leading up to the rule break itself. And the actioning admin didn’t seem to take the whole story into consideration. I thank you for going back and looking at the report and seeing my side of the story. That’s all I had wanted to happen, both parties did agree afterwards that it’s gotta be played out better next time (If there’s a next time of course). 

I had been shown by friends why it was reported and why it was seen as a NVL, I was shown most of this after the report replies were written but before staff had looked at it, which is then when I tried to make it right. I know why and wha I did wrong and have spent days thinking long about it all even before the ban was given. 
 

I don’t want to remain banned over something like this. I know what I did wrong and I know why it was done the way it was, and to be perm banned over a NVL break would be heartbreaking for me because I’ve spent a lot of time grinding in the city and take pride in my characters and what I’ve achieved, to have that stripped away from me would be awful.
 

I wanna be given a chance to make it right and learn from it, i understand that it might be too late but I have to still try. Same as I still want to offer him the proper compensation and not the measly 50k and (if I do get unbanned am willing to give him all the items in the report, I wrote them all down so I wouldn’t forget). 
 

You can clearly see how awful I feel and that I know what I did wrong and why it was seen as wrong, I have learned alot from this and am still learning, have been talking with friends who play there criminals alot about what it takes to be one and actually deliver good RP. I just wanna be Given a shot to put that to the test. 
 

I apologise Stuart I know that your disappointed in me as is everyone and so am I, I won’t let this happen again. 

 

[Stuart]

Looking over your own responses you taking responsibility has only really happened since the ban was placed, You did numerous times decide to lie in your responses on the forums. From the looks you are only taking responsibility as you was caught out, So why does it take a ban for you to be honest from the get go? 

Since you've lied so much within the report made against you, How do we know that now you are being honest? 

Whilst you may have been honest in your claims of what happened don't you see how it looks if we catch you out, It does throw everything else out of the window leaving less weight on said statements knowing you've tried to deceive us once already, Whilst I'm in no way saying it's not possible it could of happened, Without evidence it's not always possible to see every angle, This is why if you had additional evidence it would of been a good idea to provide it within the report. 

Indeed as outlined by Oneshot and myself going more into it with some luck you can see how you did indeed break the rule. There are many other things you could of done from what I outlined in the video on what you did, So why wasn't another way sought after over just refusing to drop your items? 

Whilst I agree some people do learn from their mistakes, However within the report overall you both thought you we're in the right within that situation. Going over the report that would be why it was left for us to review as an impartial third party can review the evidence and go off what happened and then make a call based on what has been provided. Whilst yes you did agree to talk to them in the report after the long discussion this indeed was denied by the reporting party as they we're having an in depth conversation with yourself already, We have in no way said you didn't attempt to talk to them after the fact, However they did reach out to you within ooc for over 30 minutes after this situation to where it was ignored and the report was in turn made. 

So if you did know after taking time to review the report, Why not be honest and admit to hiding behind the rules to prevent the RP from happening? What I mean by this is you claimed to have respawned and then claimed "And that’s why I respawned at paleto which is then when I bumped into you guys again and you guys decided to break the New Life rules (which is another rule/accusation I can place against you aswell)" This is also what I mean about pushing the blame something you mentioned you wasn't doing however from the report it's clear you we're.

You mention that you fell the report was to "Get back at you". Try looking at it a different way, Player broke a rule, Other party tried to talk to them regarding the rule break yet they refuse. Reporting party has 24 hours after the situation to make a report on the situation. Report is made and an extended conversation can then take place should the person who broke a rule comment on the report and provide their side. Now you may think a report is to get back at you however from looking over the report. Indeed as mentioned since you did already lie about one thing, It did in turn bring more holes to your side of events that happened, Another part that I quoted above. 

Whilst your side of events was there I agree, It's difficult to trust someone who has lied to us about something we can easily check. Going over the response to the report your side was taking into account however with no evidence and the facts of what you have said and the video against you it's clear rules we're broken thus leading you right back to us here. 

To understand this correctly, Throughout your report even before we responded and accepted the report, You had to be told you broke a rule by another party? 

You mention you feel awful however isn't this the same thing you was using in your last appeal? I'll give you a direct quote of your own words "I do feel awful about it and it’s been a real awakening month for me and us both as a whole. I do regret everything that happened and if I could go back and do it differently I would, I’m just hoping that I can be given that chance." 

Whilst yes it's understandable that you feel awful now you have been caught out and banned again, Then claim you know what you did was wrong, However until your friend pointed this out you was fully adamant that you was in the right, More so even parts of your first response here. 

 

[Trusdale]

I had taken accountability for what I had done and was attempting to fix it before the ban had happened, I spoke to the other party both in the report trying to get them onto teamspeak and also in a private message where I also took responsibility and apologised, those were before the report was looked at and before I was banned. I did own up too not including the medic part into it and owned up too admitting I should’ve gone back and added it, which was a mistake by me. It wasn’t that because I got banned I was now taking accountability, I had already done that days beforehand once I had calmed down and looked it back over with cleverer eyes and a few friends who enabled me to see it from a different perspective rather then my own, it wasn’t that I had to be shown it was a rule break, it was more I got to see it from an outsider perspective and could see myself why it could be seen as NVL. 
 

I do understand the lack of evidence is a reason as to why my story doesn’t hold much weight but not everybody has body cam and not everybody has the computer that can handle both running at the same time, whilst I agree that because the lack of evidence provided on my part doesn’t help the situation it also doesn’t mean that my side of the story shouldn’t have been investigated as much as the person who’s doing the report which was why I was annoyed it all got pushed aside.
 

When you say why wasn’t other avenues looked at whilst in the RP scenario, that’s purely because at the time I believed I wasn’t doing anything wrong, stalling is a tactic used in real life hostage situations and is used so that backup can arrive or a better outcome is achieved, I believed that I could’ve been saved. I had friends down the street on the way and sadly they didn’t make it in time, and they downed me again. At the time I honestly felt it was acceptable because I had wanted to be rescued and thought that I could keep them talking long enough. After it was all said and done and the report had been made and replies sent, I had been sitting down playing other game when friends had pulled me into a chat too discuss it all these were the same friends who also wanted to rescue me , because now the replies was there they wanted to show me how the other party could’ve also seen it, it was then when I decided that to be honest It can be Seen as a rule break and if it can be seen by other people and then outlined to me as well I should own up and try to solve it with the affected party before trying to solve it with staff because if I could’ve solved it with the affected party the report could’ve just been closed and that’s the end of it. The reason I said then that I felt he was getting back at me was because he refused numerous times to fix it before staff got involved, and wasn’t just me who felt that way a lot of my friends said that they also thought that it could’ve been solved by both of us talking as neither of us had spoke since that night. And whilst I agree it’s up to him to decide if he wanted to talk to me or not, a simple 5 mins to humour what I had to say where I would’ve apologised. Gave him all the items and agreed that it was NVL and allowed him to decided if he wanted to continue with the report or close it wouldn’t have been that hard to achieve at the time. 

you say that he tried to talk to me via OOC whilst I’m not saying he didn’t, too say that I ignored it would be unfair. I never saw them. I don’t really look at OOC chat because majority of the time it’s just people saying “FIND OUT IN RP” so I don’t automatically look there anymore, so I generally never saw his OOC messages about wanting to fix it, otherwise I would’ve tried there and then. And the report probably wouldn’t have been placed. 
 

The new life rules allegation whilst might not have been against the rules actually did happen at the time and it was once revived by a medic and 10-15 mins had passed with no more RP done that I did actually bump into them again in paleto after changing my clothes because a medic said they was covered in blood and they tried to continue the RP that had ended a while back because as he said in the report he recognised my voice, I just got into my car and drove off and told them that I didn’t know them as I’d suffered a concussion, whilst I understand that there was a few issues with my statement, apart from me being revived by a medic, what I had wrote is what had actually happened, whilst I know that one lie means there’s gonna be multiple lies and you guys can’t believe anything I have to say, apart from the medic situation the rest of it was pretty accurate at the time. I also see why you guys had to do what you did because if there’s one lie then it affects the whole defence, and that’s why after looking at it I agreed with the action taken place and apologised to staff for not opening up about being revived by a medic at the time. Was a stupid thing to hold back and might’ve actually helped in the situation which I should’ve just been open about. 
 

Me pushing blame at the time was when I felt I was innocent because I had tried to stall to be saved. Once I felt that it was indeed a rule break and was indeed NVL, I took the blame and tried to fix the situation. That was before the report was looked at. And conversations between me and tue other party happened before the report was looked at. It just didn’t go the way it wanted it too by me owning up too it over TS apologising to him face to face (voice to voice) so he could hear I was generally sorry and then eventually the return of said items and money back to him which Intern would’ve had the RP go the way it should’ve gone. He just didn’t feel it would’ve worked out but I felt he was just reluctant to try. Which is his own right.
 

Another party didn’t tell me I had rule broke at the time it was that another party showed me other angles at how it could be seen from an outsiders prespective, it was then when I decided that if it could’ve been seen as a rule break even if I thought it wasn’t, then it most likely was a rulebreak on my part, that’s when I decided to take responsibility about it and try to fix it with the other party which didn’t work out for me. 
 

in my previous ban appeal it was a different situation and was a more severe rule break at the time and it wasn’t just me it was a friend who also got banned, they’ve now quit since then even tho they got unbanned, we spoke for weeks after we was banned about it all and it ate away at both of us for weeks, was some of the worse depressive times of our life’s. was the only game we played so it hit me like a truck. And I realised then how much the city meant too me, how much I cared about having my character in the city. Was real awakening for me as a whole. 
 

I don’t want to be banned like that again, if I got banned for a month before I could appeal and it ruined my moods and upset me, I would hate be be perm banned over something smaller like this. Since my last ban I hadn’t broken any rules. And believe it or not had been held up by gun point in other scenarios like this one that happened, and I played it out as being at a disadvantage because my friends weren’t around or I knew it was gonna be too late. I’ve been in a lot of situations worse then this and played them out good enough nobody reported me for them. It was just this one time that I felt differently because I felt my friends could’ve saved me. If I was too be put into the same situation again I would just drop my items and if they didn’t kill me take a note of there descriptions and go looking for them later with my friends and gang and try to rob them back, that’s what should’ve happened in the report, but it never did, I have learned a lot from discussions with friends who are criminals about what it takes to be one and what you have to do, I know why I was in the wrong, and I know what I could’ve done better. I just want to try. Spent days now, nearly a week discussing what I could’ve done better and what if Unbanned I could do as a criminal too improve my RP. I’m going to work on it. I really am. 
 

I just want to be given a shot too, I understand if you don’t feel the same way. And if I have to remain banned then I will accept that. I feel another chance would be great and I would greatly improve because of it. But I can also see why you wouldn’t want me around, because I need to improve my RP in those situations. 

 

[Stuart]

Whilst I'm not disputing what's happened away from the report, From what we can see you was making excuses in the report and at the start of your appeal by claiming your side wasn't reviewed, You felt hard done by ect. Not the best way to start out if I'm going to be honest as you do set the stage at that point. 

Indeed you should of been up front and honest over the multiple responses you provided, However as mentioned you did use the rules to your advantage within a situation your character knew about as they never died so NRL never applied. I can understand an outside view can be helpful however if you can't see if you do break rules after the fact then how can we be sure you won't simply break more moving forward unless someone looks over situations you get into so you don't break them, Would be common sense on your part needing to be applied here if I'm being honest. 

You mention "I do understand the lack of evidence is a reason as to why my story doesn’t hold much weight" However this isn't the full case, The reason in my opinion it was taken lightly was due to you lying within your responses, This adds more doubt to your own credibility, As mentioned I'm not doubting what you say may have happened however the stage was set by yourself in the report. So whilst yes you may think it was pushed aside it's more is this what happened or are you trying to deceive us again. 

Whilst I can get behind the stalling tactic, There is a line that you did cross by simple refusal to value your life within the situation over stalling. I'll give you an example of what stalling could of been in that situation, X amount of bullets dropped at a time due to clip size should you roleplay into situations deeper ect, However what you did landed yourself in the wrong here, Hope you can see where I'm coming from on this part. Now you mention this is a real life tactic and whilst yes I agree we do also have to agree there is only so much realism you can add to a game as a whole, Hence why rules are in place in an attempt to streamline things. 

Some situations can be resolved by simply talking to each other however when this was offered doing via the responses on your report it was clear you we're both miles apart from each other on what actually happened and what was provided on the evidence, If you was honest at anytime maybe it would of been seen in a different manner and maybe the conversation would of happened, However I cannot assume what either party was thinking at the time or after the fact but can only go off what did happen. I understand that you wanted to give the items after the report was made however it shouldn't be about items more about the roleplay in situations and how we move forward. 

You then mention the allegation of NRL rules so I'll address this and explain what I mean by you was hiding behind the rules for your own gain. So you never died in the situation both times you was downed you was revived, One time at the dodgy doctor and the other time by NHS. Now you mentioned in the report and I'll quote the following "im the one your reporting in said video had a feeling you'd report me after it all because you didnt seem happy at all after the rp had finished back in paleto once i respawned, just seems like you cut the video to make it look bad."

Within the same paragraph you then say "I also once ocean dumped and dead continued the right way of RP for the following 10-15 mins after when i bumped into you again in paleto after buying stuff back and changing my clothes too which you approached me trying to get me to get in the car to most likely kidnap or ruin my enjoyment because you guys wasn't happy with the outcome. The RP should have ended with my death." So this is further going into the construct that you are trying to build and hide behind G4.3 however this never applied to you within the situations, However G4.4 and G4.5 did indeed apply however you never respawned however you did try and stay behind this from your own responses. 

I'm not saying one lie stops your defence however upon your own response here and your report more holes seem to emerge as we move forward, As mentioned by the quotes I've been providing from yourself. You've mentioned what should of happened "If I was too be put into the same situation again I would just drop my items and if they didn’t kill me take a note of there descriptions and go looking for them later with my friends and gang and try to rob them back" This was even told to you in the situation as a whole, However you didn't decide to follow the hints they we're even providing you within the situation. 

Not to get bolstered on one thing I'll add a few more into the mix, Within this situation from looking you broke two rules and from your own responses attempted to hide behind another as I've outlined. Now going from what is in the video, Why did you believe it was justified to break character? 

I am aware you are seeking an opportunity, Might be clear from my response that a decision either way hasn't been reached hence me taking the time to go through everything and have a better (a) understanding of everything (b) your mindset ect.... I won't go into it fully however at this stage we are just going through the process however you are to a point understanding after the fact you we're in the wrong and some improvement does need to happen. 

 

[Trusdale]

Yeah I understand why your doing what you have to do, I agree that how I started the appeal wasn’t the best, and for that I apologise I wasn’t trying to disrespect you guys or anything by saying that my story was pushed aside I wasn’t thinking right at the time. I honestly do see why you guys said what you have said about it all and I do see why your trying to get a better understanding about everything and I can only try my best to do that. 
 

I know that I should have used my common sense and realised something wasn’t right at the time I suppose it was just a mixture of things that deny’d me from seeing the rule break at the time, whilst I was shown how it could have been against the rules. I also do understand why I broke it and how I broke it and it’s gone past just having to be shown why I know why and I know exactly what I did wrong. I understand the rule and why it’s there for more realism and understand that I do need to improve when it comes to that. I’m unhappy with how I handled it as it’s everyone else. I can only apologise. And promise not to break anymore rules if given another chance. 
 

Yeah I do get that you guys aren’t sure if I was being truthful again or if I was trying to deceive you guys, and that’s why I agreed with why you guys did what you did when it came to the report itself because my story while a lot was true I could see that there are things I just shouldn’t have said and things that make everything worse, I do apologise for that also and as a whole (hopefully I don’t have too) but have to work on appeals and reports in the future so that there more honest and more useful and not just deceiving in nature.
 

I see what your saying about better ways to have played it out and to be honest at the time dropping bullets slower or 1 item at a time for stalling I didn’t even think about as something I could do. That’s a brilliant way I could have stalled and now you’ve shown me the example I see as to why what I did was the complete opposite, I’m unhappy with how I played it out and wish I could’ve done it differently. I’ve seen told a multitude of ways I could have done better in that situation and if put into that situation again I am going to do better next time a lot better.

As I have said in the appeal and report I do understand why he refused to want to fix the problem because I had lied and why would he want to entertain me if that was the case, I agree that it was more about the RP as a whole and how it wasn’t up to standard and wasn’t just about the items, I didn’t mean to make it seem like it was just item based, I just offered that as a resolution because the RP had ended and there isn’t any other way I can apologise and make the other party happy or make the situation better as a whole because we can’t go back and repeat the event and this time do what was right, so least if I did just hand him the items I should’ve dropped least he got what he worked on and intended to get via RP and I was happy to do that, so hopefully we both could’ve been happier towards the end instead of both being unhappy. 
 

Im going to level with you, it doesn’t look good when you say about me hiding behind rules and using rules as unintended, and to be honest that wasn’t what I intended to do or had planned to do at all. It looks very bad and I’m sorry about that, it was not intentional at all and I hope you can believe me on that. I was just going through a mixture of emotions about everything and seems let it get the better of me at the time when it came to replying and responding to the report, I shouldn’t allow that to happen and I should have come into it with a clear mind and told the truth from the start. I’m sorry about lying or bending the truth. I can see why your reluctant about this and what ever you say at the end is what I have to deal with. I can only promise that next time (hopefully I never have to do this again) I will be honest from the get go and not try to hide behind anything or be rude to anyone and go into it with a clear and level head.

I don’t believe it was justified to break character, and to be honest i think it was just a mixture of anger and tiredness on my part because it was 3-4am in the morning and before they had rammed me off the road I was about to leave the city and go to bed. We had been RP’ing for a solid 30-40 mins prior to the video and I’d just been getting yelled at by them because I wasn’t answering there questions and refusing to give them information about my gang and who I was. I wasn’t really happy as a whole and I was very tired so I wasn’t thinking straight at the time and just bought up the counting down was against the rules, it had been so long and so late that I just wanted the RP to have meant something and not to have been soured by a rulebreak at the time. But clearly I was the one who soured it with my rule break. I don’t make any excuses about it, i shouldn’t have done it. I just was tired and annoyed and it was late. I apologise for breaking character and I understand why we don’t break character so that it helps with the realism.

I’m normally very good at not breaking character when I play, as I do a lot of RP as a NHS member and I value my character RP when it comes to that because I love to deliver quality RP too people. Breaking character that night was the wrong thing to do and it won’t happen again. I regret a lot of that night and it’s going to be something I have to think about and deal with for Awhile but it’s going to be a massive wake up call for me and something that from now on I have to think and act better when it comes to these sort of situations. 
 

I understand that it’s tough for you to make a decision and I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes. I hope that you can see that I do understand everything that’s been said and I do understand the rules I broke and when and how I did break them, and I also understand why you guys have them in place, I’ve gone back and read all the rules and the ones you specifically mentioned so that I can get a better understanding of what you’ve said.

My mindset wise at the time of the rule break was just tiredness and anger because it was late and I wanted to go to sleep. But since that’s happened and I’ve calmed down, I’m in the mindset that I can see what I’ve done wrong and why I did it wrong, I also have taken all that you’ve said on board and have thought long and hard about it all. And I agree that a massive improvement needs to be done on my part and I’m going to start by apologising for everything and apologising for trying to deceive you guys and not being honest in my appeal. I hope that I never have to be in this situation again and I’m going to try my hardest to prevent myself from being in this section again. You have my word.
 

I appreciate everything you’ve said and appreciate all the time and work you’ve put into this. I apologise for everything and apologise that you’ve been put into this. Just know that I’ve taken everything on board and I’m going to use all this information and all the advice you’ve given me to better my RP in the future. 

 

[Stuart]

Agreed, It's not a case of any story being pushed aside however it's about understanding everything after the fact, Glad you are understanding where we are starting from, Indeed you are doing your part in helping me understand what went on within the situation via what is being said. 

Whilst I understand the human nature of trying to preserve yourself and protect yourself overall the one thing here we look at is honesty as this is a key factor overall, We install trust in players however when the rules are broken multiple times that trust to a point does get offset thus being more difficult to give back knowing the past track record. So what was the mixture of things that denied you from seeing the rule breaks that we're happening? 

Indeed there are many other ways this could of been played out to stall for time, Whilst I understand you said you saw your friends so wanted to delay to get the help you knew was close so we are on the same page. Whilst I understand it might not look good, Going from everything said it's what happened both in RP and outside (On the report) where you was using the rules to your own advantage after the fact. Going into anything without a clear or level head more so when trying to present your side is needed to help get the full understanding (With or without video evidence) Whilst yes video is preferred it's also understandable as you mentioned not everyone can record. 

So based off your response in the last few paragraphs, The rule breaks happened due to anger of the situation, Due to you being tired ect, IF we give you another chance how can we assure this won't happen again moving forward?

I think we can both agree you know what you did was wrong going from your responses and more so to mine, The part I'm interested in now is what happens next time should you be taken against your will and found in the same situation or similar again?

 

[Trusdale]

At the time of me not seeing the rule breaks as they happened it was just tiredness and lack of concentration on my part, at the point the video starts it’s almost 5am, it’s a whole hour and a half maybe more since I had planned to log out and I was just getting frustrated the longer it went on because before the video happened nothing I said or did to shorten the experience so I could leave was working, they wanted it too be as long as possible and I just didn’t have the concentration to handle that.

To prevent it happening again I have to just avoid playing late at night or when I’m tired so that I can focus properly and give 100% effort at all times. I usually have quite a good sleep cycle so playing tired isn’t usually something I do. And I was just caught at the wrong time on that night in the wrong mindset. Something that never usually happens. It won’t be happening again because I can see what effect it has on me and I’d rather deliver better RP next time. So will only be playing when I’m not tired or in any bad moods etc. 
 

Next time I’m taken against my will I will play the hostage part better. I will obey there commands and do exactly as they say when they say, weather that’s to drop my items, or to put my hands up to even jump of this cliff, I have to do what’s right and what the situation dictates especially if I’m at a disadvantage regardless to if I think I’m not. I will do anything and everything I can to make it more enjoyable for both sides so that nothing like what happened will happen again, because that’s clearly the wrong thing to do and I feel it sour’s everyone’s experience as a whole and o feel bad that I’ve been apart of that. Let alone dragged someone else into it. 

 

[Stuart]

I'll take you at your word that you will deliver better roleplay moving forward, However this comes at a cost. In order to receive an unban and for us to extend the olive branch Jake King will receive a inventory wipe, Meaning all items, cash on your person ect will be removed. Do you agree to this? 

 

[Trusdale]

Yes I agree to an inventory wipe. Thank you Stuart for listening to me and giving me advice and offering me another chance, I will defiantly deliver better RP in the future, I won’t let you down. 

 

[Stuart]

I've gone ahead and requested the inventory wipe on Jake King. Please note this will take sometime to be completed however we will update the appeal once it's been completed and then we will move forward with the appeal.

 

[Stavik]

Wipe complete

 

[Stuart]

Thank you Stavik! 

So as the inventory wipe has been done @IMaGiiKsIwe will of course be moving forward with the appeal. I do hope as you mentioned you don't let us down with this opportunity we are offering. I do hope you learn from this and you do improve moving forth and taken on board what I've said within the appeal. Make sure you are up to date with the rules before rejoining and if you do happen to find yourself banned within a 6 month period you will of course end right back here. 

Unbanned!

 

[Stuart]

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