Un-ban Appeal - Pupss - 06/03/18 (Denied 11/03/18)

[Pupss]

In-game Name
Gen. Pinkie Pie

Steam ID
76561198097140536

The date of your ban.
06/03/18

Member of the team that banned you.
CI Xkan

Reason given for your ban.
(3.7) Baiting - Baiting for the sake of a gunfight is not roleplay. Punishment is a ban. Examples: Flying over someone with a chopper waiting for warning shots to instantly shoot them back, robbing a service station with the intent of a gunfight, etc.

The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
Well, it seems that i got banned for baiting although baiting was something which we were not trying to get from the situation we got into. The situation could just got a big change if the police didnt pull the trigger on me, it was only me and 6 of them why did they instead of trying to keep on going with the roleplay they just fired upon me? I went in there as an attempt to retrieve the weapon that they took from Tristan/Syndicate, you also can see on their video that the guy on the construction location was seen moments before they shot, so why shoot? They coulve easily continued with the roleplay, everyone that knows me i dont give a shit about gunfights iam there for the roleplay, although the police side also didnt provide any, like i said in the report "all you have is a pistol" even though i said there was more people around the area they just didnt care. Ive been in multiple situation like this as an officer, never really saw them as baiting and also would try and talk to the other person before taking any type of action.

Why should we unban you ?
Been around the server for over a year, even though i just created a forum account around the summer, never really got in trouble before and also like i said if i even had a clue that it would be considered baiting i wouldnt do it, like i said iam not a rule breaker no one in that situation was really hoping for a gunfight to start although some people right before i got shot got into a position that they could take action in case a gunfight would start with the police.

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Yes

I have read and understand the unban appeal process
Yes

Please confirm you understand there is no timeframe for your appeal.
Yes

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[LONG BEARD]

Hello Mr Pupps.

This is reading more like your defense to a player report rather than an unban appeal. Multiple staff members reviewed the evidence in detail and along with some of your own gang, reached the conclusion that this was indeed the definition of baiting. 

As someone who knows you, I agree, you're not someone who deliberately breaks rules, and I have always seen you put RP first. This is why I was so surprised to see you involved in this. 

The problem is, you still seem convinced that you were not at fault, nor does it seem you've taken any responsibility for what happened.

Before we proceed, is this still the case?

 

 

[Pupss]

I kinda see your pointing view why is considered baiting since I was only 1 and there was 5 officers and most likely they would just shoot and the hole situation would turn into a gunfight, although I just didn’t think about that possibility, I honestly was thinking that one of them would talk so we could proceed with the roleplay, that’s the only thing that is bothering me a bit. I know it was because of me that they got shot and the hole situation looked like baiting but take a look at my side as well, I didn’t want it to just start like that at all, neither was intentional but I get it why it looks like baiting into a gunfight.

 

[LONG BEARD]

Do you think there was any other way you could have attempted to get that rifle you sought without pulling a pistol on 5 armed specialised officers, some of which already had their weapons drawn? If so, please give me some examples. I know I can think of many.

 

[Pupss]

Talked with them in a non agression way, ask for it, get a hostage and try to trade his life for it, etc.

 

[LONG BEARD]

More effort please Pupps. I asked you for examples. Please go into detail, perhaps outlining some scenarios. A one liner will not cut it. 

 

[Pupss]

Well in that situation, we were just thinking about preventing it from happening, almost getting there and the police removed their weapon, there would be multiple alternatives to try to retrieve, we could instead of going there directly and try to deal with the situation aggressively with all the officers, we could just go around the situation and either kidnap some one and try to get it back or rob a bank and say that we were robbing it to pay for the weapon or even use suicide as an escuse, just go up on a building and just say “give me the gun back, the one you took from (name of the person) otherwise I’ll just jump”! Although suicide never tried, it most like won’t work either way (still an option I believe).

 

[LONG BEARD]

I honestly was thinking that one of them would talk so we could proceed with the roleplay, that’s the only thing that is bothering me a bit.

Whilst it's not always the case, and in all honesty shouldn't be the case, as you know, RP is more often than not forced into a dead end when weapons are drawn and the 'friends in the area' card is played. 

Not everything needs to be RP'd with a hostage taking, robbery, suicide or hostile act.   Did it occur to any of you to just let the weapon go? Chalk it up as a loss? Accept that on this occasion, the police won and maybe not try to seek revenge? Is a piece of metal, in terms of RP really worth risking your life, the life of the police officers, and your own gang members?  This is what should be going through the mind of a role-player as you claim you are. Life matters right?

Please quote the rule you broke, and explain in your own words why this rule exists. 

 

[Pupss]

That idea was brought up, let it go the thing was we were also letting it go too many times by now, so I’m the end we decided to go for it either way. I know roleplay is not only about being aggressive and getting in gunfights or shit situations all the time, in all honesty that was basically the first time all this days that we decided to take it aggressively (at least with me involved) other than that we are just completely light and talk more than anything else. On that same day we decided to roleplay with 2 rdmers that attempted on killing me just by saying “stop, stop the vehicle” we got 1 of them, took him to the gang base and the other 1 showed up there, with his gun out and not talking too much, Steve went out on a attempt on talking with him and making the rdmer trust him, keep in mind they  were new to the server, possibly completely new to the roleplaying concept and had no clue at all about the rules. All of us were ready to shoot him in case he shot Steve, he decided not to, he trusted Steve came in the base and we were having a nice talk about the “island” and the “laws” of it, in the end we even teamed up and had a great time even though we took everything from the first one. Was one the best roleplay moments I had on the server and I had it because instead of pulling the trigger on both (me and the others) we decided to roleplay and show them how nice it can be.

(3.7) Baiting - Baiting for the sake of a gunfight is not roleplay. Punishment is a ban. Examples: Flying over someone with a chopper waiting for warning shots to instantly shoot them back, robbing a service station with the intent of a gunfight, etc.

This rule exists to prevent people from getting into some situations that may cause a gunfight just because they feel like having one.

 

[Azamai]

Sadly how you think the situation will turn out, can not be equivalent with how it actually turns out. However the fact remains the same, you did run up to several heavily armed Police Officers, pulled a weapon on them and it ended in a gunfight. Not expecting a gunfight in this scenario is quite surprising in my opinion. 

However lets take that at face value, you were trying to talk to them using "Put your hands up, there is multiple men in the area, and I swear you will be shot down!" and when they try to talk to you, saying "Are you serious, you got a fucking pistol" I do believe, I hear you yelling "Last chance fucking do it!". Does this incite roleplay? Because for me that sounds like the exact opposite. When they attempt to have a talk, about the seriousness of your threats you instead return it with even more hostility. So I would not say, there was any reason to believe that the Police would attempt to communicate with you, as you for one did not give them a chance to do so and two showed no interest in such a interaction.

With that I am denying you. Try again in a week.