Jim87878
Well-known member
- Location
- Derby, UK
In-game Name
(AMW) James Moat
Steam ID
76561198120878704
The date of your ban.
04/22/2017
Member of the team that banned you.
SI Aiden
Reason given for your ban.
4.2, Name tags. Identifying a player in game using the name or tags above their head to influence a decision in game.
The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1
In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/85788-report-a-player-tck-jimmy-tck-caisey-poorlow-quality-rp-action-taken/
Me and my friend had hired a new recruit 2 days prior to this situation (Viral). As with all AMW members when they have reached a certain point we use an initiation method to full recruit them in the gang, usually a laugh and just a test to see how they deal with the situation. This initiation is usually a robbery of a fuel station (with our back up if things go south) or a hostage situation. Before the start of the video used as evidence for this report we decided it was time for Viral to ziptie his first hostage. Anyway, before the video starts we had been on about the gang he used to be in TSM and Redemption and we were on about how both had got disbanded recently and we had people we had dealt and new within these gangs and that a lot had left to TCK. When we spotted our target (Happened to be Jimmy a TCK member) we began our initiation, Viral did not have a gun and was his responsibility to zip tie as his initiation etc. We zip tie him, I am telling Rob (only one with Dodgy Dave) to make sure before we put him in the car we take his GPS because he forgets sometimes as we can be a bit forgetful #420. So i state 'Take his GPS and move him away, he's TCK' - (AMW) James Moat TS 1m13s. I was banned under rule 4.2 as apparently me stating he was TCK regarding a conversation we had been on about in TS affected our actual decision in game "metagamed his group and used this to influence how you played by taking his comms and moving him from that area as you are aware he'll have friends possibly responding to his abduction." (Is the actual reason for the ban).
Why should we unban you ?
When we take people hostage especially next to a main road, we do not zip tie them and leave them right next to the main road of Kavala where police drive past regularly, regardless of if they are a hobo or not, we are not stupid and don't want to go to prison, it was our hostage initiation. I cant really see how me mentioning for a split second hes TCK in TS to my friends, regarding we were on about it a few seconds before the increase in numbers of TCK members and with the fact we were taking him hostage/robbing him next to the Kavala garage meant that we "purposely moved him out the area due to his affiliation" (Changed our plans, which we did not) no one even acknowledge or cares in the TS lobby that I said he was TCK we were taking him somewhere scheduled to carry out the robbery so we didn't get caught, like any normal rebel. We decide to make some good RP by giving him a phone to text his members as a ransom, in hindsight with the poor RP we should have just messaged them ourselves or robbed him and left him as he clearly couldn't be bothered to have some banter or RP and me mentioning hes TCK has been deemed metagaming. I thoroughly respect all Admins in this community, you do not get paid, you have a unwhitelisted server usually at the top of the server list meaning you have numerous people who think RP is wasteland yet you still have the integrity to do your work and you d it well meaning most of the time the community and in game experiencees are amazing.
I think I should be unbanned because I can understand slightly in the context that me mentioning on TS he was TCK looks as though we "changed" our plans to rob him by moving him away. However there was a helicopter landing at the garage over the road which could clearly see us and our plan was to always take him away from a high density area to get better RP for our initiation and our own safety. Me metagaming his name wasn;t really metagaming, it all happened as was planned before the video starts, I just mentioned make sure you have defo removed his GPS and "o hes in TCK as well now", nothing had changed due to the fact he was TCK therefore no meta-game.
On top of this I have obviously learnt, once initiation has started don't carry on normal conversations in TS with gang members regarding other aspects because if evidence is posted it can come across as meta-gaming which is understandable to some degree, if this was lets say 2km east of Pygros, but on Kavala main road I mean comon we were obviously going to move him to rob him.
Our gang prides ourselves on the fact we all started off asking them "silly" simple questions like how do i put my hands up (while being robbed) in OOC haha, and if you knew our gang, over half our recruits if not more are people who we have been robbing in game and then realised they are new to the server, have some banter and could do with some help. I have played for over a year and a half but more so over the last 5 months, I have never been called to TS regarding a situation, I have asked others but never myself and have never been reported except my first mistake (I clearly VDM'd someone and then RDM'd Lincoln as he was robbing my friend in the first 2 days of me playing, I had no clue I had done something wrong but you live and learn) . I am pretty knowledgeable on the rules imo, I rob multiple times a day and my initiation, my RP and everything is of high standards, this I believe is an isolated incident where Aiden has seen the evidence and it has show three words which has led to a ban which had no effect to what we were doing in game. I could have been on about how good chocolate is, it would not have made a difference that we were going to take a guy hostage and move him away to rob him and turned into a hostage ransom due to HIM saying he was in TCK when we questioned that he had made a call in saying he had been robbed.
(On a side not Viral who was also banned due to stating 4 members were online and that he knew it was cheating, we did not respond to this information, we do these initiations exactly for reasons like this so after we can say "O Viral btw even though you said yourself its cheating just don't do it again mate" this is how me and Rob run our gang and leads to us being called a hobo gang)
I hope I can get unbanned because I love this server and community and everything about it (when I have the time to play). I do not break rules and if I do its a mistake I learn from like this for example.
Thanks,
(AMW) James Moat.
Please confirm this unban request is for you.
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I have read and understand the unban appeal process
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Please confirm you understand there is no timeframe for your appeal.
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(AMW) James Moat
Steam ID
76561198120878704
The date of your ban.
04/22/2017
Member of the team that banned you.
SI Aiden
Reason given for your ban.
4.2, Name tags. Identifying a player in game using the name or tags above their head to influence a decision in game.
The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1
In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
https://www.roleplay.co.uk/topic/85788-report-a-player-tck-jimmy-tck-caisey-poorlow-quality-rp-action-taken/
Me and my friend had hired a new recruit 2 days prior to this situation (Viral). As with all AMW members when they have reached a certain point we use an initiation method to full recruit them in the gang, usually a laugh and just a test to see how they deal with the situation. This initiation is usually a robbery of a fuel station (with our back up if things go south) or a hostage situation. Before the start of the video used as evidence for this report we decided it was time for Viral to ziptie his first hostage. Anyway, before the video starts we had been on about the gang he used to be in TSM and Redemption and we were on about how both had got disbanded recently and we had people we had dealt and new within these gangs and that a lot had left to TCK. When we spotted our target (Happened to be Jimmy a TCK member) we began our initiation, Viral did not have a gun and was his responsibility to zip tie as his initiation etc. We zip tie him, I am telling Rob (only one with Dodgy Dave) to make sure before we put him in the car we take his GPS because he forgets sometimes as we can be a bit forgetful #420. So i state 'Take his GPS and move him away, he's TCK' - (AMW) James Moat TS 1m13s. I was banned under rule 4.2 as apparently me stating he was TCK regarding a conversation we had been on about in TS affected our actual decision in game "metagamed his group and used this to influence how you played by taking his comms and moving him from that area as you are aware he'll have friends possibly responding to his abduction." (Is the actual reason for the ban).
Why should we unban you ?
When we take people hostage especially next to a main road, we do not zip tie them and leave them right next to the main road of Kavala where police drive past regularly, regardless of if they are a hobo or not, we are not stupid and don't want to go to prison, it was our hostage initiation. I cant really see how me mentioning for a split second hes TCK in TS to my friends, regarding we were on about it a few seconds before the increase in numbers of TCK members and with the fact we were taking him hostage/robbing him next to the Kavala garage meant that we "purposely moved him out the area due to his affiliation" (Changed our plans, which we did not) no one even acknowledge or cares in the TS lobby that I said he was TCK we were taking him somewhere scheduled to carry out the robbery so we didn't get caught, like any normal rebel. We decide to make some good RP by giving him a phone to text his members as a ransom, in hindsight with the poor RP we should have just messaged them ourselves or robbed him and left him as he clearly couldn't be bothered to have some banter or RP and me mentioning hes TCK has been deemed metagaming. I thoroughly respect all Admins in this community, you do not get paid, you have a unwhitelisted server usually at the top of the server list meaning you have numerous people who think RP is wasteland yet you still have the integrity to do your work and you d it well meaning most of the time the community and in game experiencees are amazing.
I think I should be unbanned because I can understand slightly in the context that me mentioning on TS he was TCK looks as though we "changed" our plans to rob him by moving him away. However there was a helicopter landing at the garage over the road which could clearly see us and our plan was to always take him away from a high density area to get better RP for our initiation and our own safety. Me metagaming his name wasn;t really metagaming, it all happened as was planned before the video starts, I just mentioned make sure you have defo removed his GPS and "o hes in TCK as well now", nothing had changed due to the fact he was TCK therefore no meta-game.
On top of this I have obviously learnt, once initiation has started don't carry on normal conversations in TS with gang members regarding other aspects because if evidence is posted it can come across as meta-gaming which is understandable to some degree, if this was lets say 2km east of Pygros, but on Kavala main road I mean comon we were obviously going to move him to rob him.
Our gang prides ourselves on the fact we all started off asking them "silly" simple questions like how do i put my hands up (while being robbed) in OOC haha, and if you knew our gang, over half our recruits if not more are people who we have been robbing in game and then realised they are new to the server, have some banter and could do with some help. I have played for over a year and a half but more so over the last 5 months, I have never been called to TS regarding a situation, I have asked others but never myself and have never been reported except my first mistake (I clearly VDM'd someone and then RDM'd Lincoln as he was robbing my friend in the first 2 days of me playing, I had no clue I had done something wrong but you live and learn) . I am pretty knowledgeable on the rules imo, I rob multiple times a day and my initiation, my RP and everything is of high standards, this I believe is an isolated incident where Aiden has seen the evidence and it has show three words which has led to a ban which had no effect to what we were doing in game. I could have been on about how good chocolate is, it would not have made a difference that we were going to take a guy hostage and move him away to rob him and turned into a hostage ransom due to HIM saying he was in TCK when we questioned that he had made a call in saying he had been robbed.
(On a side not Viral who was also banned due to stating 4 members were online and that he knew it was cheating, we did not respond to this information, we do these initiations exactly for reasons like this so after we can say "O Viral btw even though you said yourself its cheating just don't do it again mate" this is how me and Rob run our gang and leads to us being called a hobo gang)
I hope I can get unbanned because I love this server and community and everything about it (when I have the time to play). I do not break rules and if I do its a mistake I learn from like this for example.
Thanks,
(AMW) James Moat.
Please confirm this unban request is for you.
Yes
I have read and understand the unban appeal process
Yes
Please confirm you understand there is no timeframe for your appeal.
Yes
Before you submit this form please confirm you have fully read the rules click here
Yes
) regarding 4.2 I was and still am the slightest bit unclear as to the extent of the rules and will explain.