Un-ban Appeal - James - 12/28/2016 (Unbanned)

[James]

In-game Name
leet memes

Steam ID
76561198072764783

The date of your ban.
12/28/2016

Member of the team that banned you.
Samuel Thompson

Reason given for your ban.
Metagaming - Forum Report

The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
I was banned as a result of a forum report filed by Vik Rambo in regards to him believing I was involved in metagaming. Despite him saying in the liaison room something along the lines of... I know you didn't metagame however since from my POV you and Panda are the only ones who break a rule the report will be in your name. I fail to see why he continued his report after him saying this.

" @JStar and the accused have not provided evidence that it was informed to James and Panda that Vik was a DI, there has been no given evidence to suggest that this conversation between them has ever taken place, besides 2 people saying it did. (So that whole point is to be disregarded) "

I disagree with this as I fail to see the logic behind it. Why would JStar not communicate the fact that he has a high ranking police officer inside his vehicle to the rest of the gang?. He was in the same gang channel as myself and Panda at the time and thus the information was transferred across.

Why should we unban you ?
Because I didn't break a rule. I was informed over communications that the person wearing the wetsuit was a member of the police force who was DI and I solidified this decision as a result of the factors which I mentioned in my report, to me in-game at the time it seemed logical.

As well as this I have been a member of this community for well over a year now, during this time I've been reported twice and this is the first ban I have received.

I believe this is somewhat evidence of the fact that I play by and stick to the rules.

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[James]

Proof of JStar saying he was a DI, 

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Unfortunately, my internet is too shit to upload a full-length video.
I didn't think this information was necessary at the time, as I thought me being in the same channel with JStar was enough to prove that information was passed along over comms, hence why it hasn't been presented until now.

 

[AnonMember1]

The way I see this, if the roles switched in this situation and you were in handcuffs at a HQ and had given your name as something then all of a sudden someone else runs over and starts calling you by your ingame name. If a cop was to continue using that instead of letting the roleplay continue you would call them out for power gaming and metagaming. The rules apply to both sides.

I'm sure you know the rules, you have been here long enough to know the rights from wrongs.

@Samuel Thompson care to comment on this?

 

[James]

The way I see this, if the roles switched in this situation and you were in handcuffs at a HQ and had given your name as something then all of a sudden someone else runs over and starts calling you by your ingame name. If a cop was to continue using that instead of letting the roleplay continue you would call them out for power gaming and metagaming. The rules apply to both sides.

I'm sure you know the rules, you have been here long enough to know the rights from wrongs.

@Samuel Thompson care to comment on this?




 




 

The difference is that I was informed via comms information relating to that person. Similar to a Police Officer informing another Police Officer the person's name... what they'd done etc so they could then continue the roleplay on, that's how I see this if the roles were switched. It is that officers choice as to whether they wish to go with the roleplay the person is presenting to them, or what they believe to be facts that have been presented over the radio by a trustworthy colleague. Rather than what you've mentioned which is obviously blatant metagaming, as from what you've said there is no given information that could lead to that person's name being discovered.

I believe that I didn't break a rule as I utilised information presented within roleplay, (that mainly presented via comms) to come to a logical conclusion as to whom the officer was. Obviously, if Vik Rambo hadn't have jumped out the car ending the roleplay between us, these issues would've never presented themselves as he would've had time to potentially sway me to his story, rather than to what I was told over comms, which is ultimately what I went with at that time.

JStar was told by the CSO he was a DI, this information was transferred over communications to me and the rest of the gang... and because I went with what I was told, it is deemed to be metagaming?

 

[AnonMember1]

I have looked at Panda's appeal, I feel its only fair to treat you in the same way. I will ask you the same question:

How are you going to avoid these situations?

From your response it seems you think I'm against you, I have watched all of the evidence supplied during the report, you only seem to see your side of this.

 

[James]

How are you going to avoid these situations?

Well in future I wouldn't be as reliant on information presented to me via comms, instead, I would approach it from a more neutral POV so that both sides can enjoy the roleplay presented.

From your response it seems you think I'm against you, I have watched all of the evidence supplied during the report,

Not at all, if I believed this was the case I would've spoken to the relevant people. 

you only seem to see your side of this.

Well if you look at it from Vik's POV I can understand how it can be seen to be metagaming. However, if you look at the situation as a whole it's clear that we did have means to believe that Vik was a DI.

 

[AnonMember1]

Unbanned. No repeats of this please.