Un-ban Appeal - Esc - 05/03/18 (Denied)

[Esc]

In-game Name
Escort

Steam ID
76561198106128137

The date of your ban.
05/03/18

Member of the team that banned you.
Gurlanin

Reason given for your ban.
VDM

The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
After talking to Gurlanin on teamspeak, I was notified that he had been spectating me for a while, so I will try to best describe the actions I did the 15minutes before I was banned that could be slightly relevant. It all starts with a bank robbery where I am outside and took a hostage. This hostages goes to personal attack on me, calling my mother a slut blabla. I didn't mind to much, kept doing what we were doing. I ended up going to the garage to obtain my Hatchback sports car and pick up my friend. The individual we had previously knocked down followed us. He was put up to gunpoint again and knocked down to be robbed by my friend, he had nothing so he gets into my car. I drive backwards a bit and then forward, due to the high acceleration on the hatchback car I accidently oversteer to the left and hit the knocked down individual and drive him over, obviously did no damage as cars don't do that. We drove on from here though, didn't think much of it. However the situation that I highly believe got me banned was where approx 1minute after this we spotted a truck. As the clever people we were we decided to attempt to rob him! So what I do is I attempt to use my hatchback as a sort of blockade to avoid him driving away from us. This works just fine till we get to a turn, he turns down and I end up behind behind him. Here is the part where he blocks the entire road while trying to turn and when I try to drive around him I accidently ram into his side at a slow speed almost totalwrecking my car, but not doing damage to his. 10-15seconds after this situation I was hit with a vehicle deathmatch ban. I hopped on the teamspeak and spoke to Gurlanin and he wouldn't want to discuss the situation, and told me to go here which I just did.

Why should we unban you ?
I believe I've followed the rules to the best of my ability, I believe the situation that got me banned is just a big misunderstanding as reading the rule it says "(2.1) Vehicle Deathmatch (also known as VDM) - Using any vehicle as a weapon" I do know that my vehicle was used as a weapon on the knocked down individual which I believe to be a honest mistake and I apologize for this, this was not intentional on my side. But I do not realise how this breaks the second rule however. I used my car as a blockade, not as a weapon. I used it to stall and block the truck from getting away from us, but then when he blocks the entire road I accidently ram him as stated which I know could be looked on as VDM, but I do not believe anyone in my situation would purposely ram a massive truck with a small hatchback attempting to do any damage. I have however read through the rules twice, and thoroughly though through what might have gotten me banned, and I believe it is the accidental ramming or me hitting the knocked down individual which I apologize for and I have learnt from my mistakes. Thanks for reading

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[LONG BEARD]

You were being observed by two admins. One of which has detailed in his report that there was no possible way this was an accident stating you backed into it twice: reversing, driving forward, then reversing again which resulted in your car being damaged. You also managed to hit the HEMMT whilst trying to get in front of it.

So, are you still planning on going down the route that this was all just some accident, or are you going to be honest? The first will get  you nowhere, the latter is the only way forward for you here.

 

[Esc]

You were being observed by two admins. One of which has detailed in his report that there was no possible way this was an accident stating you backed into it twice: reversing, driving forward, then reversing again which resulted in your car being damaged. You also managed to hit the HEMMT whilst trying to get in front of it.

So, are you still planning on going down the route that this was all just some accident, or are you going to be honest? The first will get  you nowhere, the latter is the only way forward for you here.

I'll try to the best of my ability to explain what happened in that situation.

We spot the truck going forward on a road, we were coming from the side and we went onto the road he was on. He was in the right lane so I head into the left lane and drive next to him for 20meters ish, I then overtake him and get infront of him. I brake down to use my vehicle as a blockade to delay him, I might have hit him here, which was completely not my intention. My intention was to get close to him and brake to avoid him driving forward. I believe this was the point where my friend got out with a pistol, and due to the time I lost when was getting out I quickly drive back, I believe this was here I got behind him, as he was trying to get down in another road https://gyazo.com/1b0b38a4a6c6b2b4c11d57cddc998144

See my horrible paint drawing to see how I remember the situation, he is the orange truck and is attempting to get down this road, while we are the purple circle. I forgot if I was trying to get down left but I believe I was trying to around the right side, where I hit him in a slow speed totalwrecking my car, this was when my car was broken, I never reversed and drove into him again after this, as my car was broken. I was hit with a VDM ban right after this happened, a few seconds after this actually. However, I would also like to point out that this was happening at around 2AM, if I did actually hit into the truck when I was behind him directly on, then that is completely on me. I do apologize and I know that is completely against the rules as that would be using my car as a weapon, which is illegal under the VDM rule.

I can't lie about what I did, because this is how I remember it went down. If the admins feels like I did something else, then that's up to them to decide, not me. I'm not going to purposely lie about how I observed the situation if they feel like they observed it differently. However I realised that what I did still might not be a very good RP encounter in general, so that won't repeat it self, most definitely. I've read over the rules multiple times after this situation and had discussions with friends of mine who has been in the community for a longer period of time to make sure I understood the rules and in which encounters they are used. And I would love to get back on the server, as I did have a great time on here.

 

[LONG BEARD]

@Gurlanin Do you have anything to add in response to Esc's last post?

 

[Gurlanin]

Using your vehicle against another vehicle, in any capacity, has the potential to result in VDM, especially trying to physically block the road. One bump can be passed off as accidental, but I saw three, and they looked very deliberate, which is why I took action: especially after you had just run over someone that you'd already tied up and beaten up twice!

You say that you've spoken with your friends, and others in the community, about what you did wrong and how to avoid it again? I'd like you to prove that to us: what would you do if you were in the same situation again?

 

[Esc]

Using your vehicle against another vehicle, in any capacity, has the potential to result in VDM, especially trying to physically block the road. One bump can be passed off as accidental, but I saw three, and they looked very deliberate, which is why I took action: especially after you had just run over someone that you'd already tied up and beaten up twice!

You say that you've spoken with your friends, and others in the community, about what you did wrong and how to avoid it again? I'd like you to prove that to us: what would you do if you were in the same situation again?

If I was in the situation where I spotted the truck, I would follow him from a distance. I would wait till he eventually stopped the car and got out where I would strike. Robbing him in speed was very unwise of me, and a bad RP encounter in general. It also lead to the VDM.

 

[LONG BEARD]

How you have described the incident is nowhere near what the staff members observing you saw.   An accidental 'brush' with another vehicle ending in a crash is believable. You however were seen doing it multiple times yet when pressed, you still say it was an accident.

As you cannot be honest with us, your appeal has been denied.  Try again in 3 weeks and hopefully next time you will be honest.

Appeal denied.