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Un-ban Appeal - angellfall - 15/02/18 (Unbanned 21/02/18)

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angellfall

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In-game Name
Angellfall

Steam ID
76561197975379501

The date of your ban.
03/01/18

Member of the team that banned you.
Oliver

Reason given for your ban.
RDM

The Server you initially were banned on.
Server 1

In your own words, please type why you think you were banned.
I was banned because admin team judged the situation so that the person who I killed was not involved with the situation at hand and failing to provide a sufficient level of RP to persons involved.
I don’t know why, if its my English speaking ability or am I understanding something wrong, but I have now been put down 2 times for providing this answer. “I was banned because admin team judged the situation so that the person who I killed was not involved”. So to make it clear we are going to keep these 2 reasons and go over with the response oliver put up on my actual report thread and connect it with my answer.
“You went into a a hostile situation as there was a gentlemen robbing the fuel station, You then started to speak to the rebel and ending up threatening him over a toolkit. This in my opinion was not good as your suppose to be a member of the police force and your threatening someones life over buying a toolkit, although we did not agree with it it is not the worse rp going. You then decided to spin around and kill a person because he pulled out his pistol and said "no your not" after you threatened to kill the other man. This rp is not acceptable and you have broken the rule of 2.2 Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban). There was no high quality roleplay before killing the person and we have decided to issue a ban.

SteamID - 7656119797537950

Rule - 2.2 Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).”
Lets go trough with the later one first; Even tho Oliver explained that he was not to happy about me going in as a cop and essentially “robbing” the guy (lets face it that is what I was doing), there is no absolutely no rule against it. As a robbery obviously not the best RP what I have provided but I would say going into standards of the server totally not the worst robbery, should I not have had my hearth skip a beat for the guy coming behind me the situation could have been different and most likely more interesting scenario for both parties. However its not really beneficial for us to throw if’s around so lets connect it with a sentence: Robbery was not the most best when put in words within the situation, thus most definitely contributing towards the ban, this making me to give explanation “failing to provide a sufficient level of RP to persons involved.”
Now lets move on to the first part of the reason “I was banned because admin team judged the situation so that the person who I killed was not involved with the situation at hand”. When we take this part of olivers response and connect with it: “You then decided to spin around and kill a person because he pulled out his pistol and said "no your not" after you threatened to kill the other man. This rp is not acceptable and you have broken the rule of 2.2 Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban). There was no high quality roleplay before killing the person and we have decided to issue a ban. “ Now this is where my English speaking ability might come as a barrier, but how I see this, me stating that the person was not involved directly cumulates to oliver’s reason saying “there was no high quality roleplay before killing the person…” as I did have a session with the other person prior where this person was not involved. Using more common ground terms within this community I had initiated on the guy robbing the strore and had threatened to kill him, not the guy who pulled the gun on me.
This is the only stuff I can take out from oliver’s initial response to my report and for me is the reason for my ban and there is no going over or around it. It does not show that im ignorant to any facts it just shows how I understand the text in English in front of me and the information shared to me.

Why should we unban you ?
I believe my records speak for them self. In past i have played countless hours daily basis on the server. Been playing here for good 2 years without any issues. Events leading to the ban do not represent my roleplay and I hope to keep enjoying the environment provided By RPUK in future.
We all do mistakes sometimes bigger sometimes smaller but its about if the person can take and utilize that mistake for the future. As a person im one to learn from my mistakes and Im sure I can take the best out of this one also. What comes to gameplay Im more than eager to get back policing the altis.
It might be that Im fighting against your standards of counting words, but the truth is I don’t see any more power in this even if Im writing now a multi-page appeal. It does not matter to my eye if the document is 170words or if its 7000 words long. If it for you represents effort I’m sorry I must disagree. Every sentence what I wrote they are 100% meaningful, 100% factual and I stand behind them fully. Me telling you in thousand words how much I want to get back and how much I want to continue playing have no meaning I don’t need to prove it to other players, nor do I need to prove it to admin team. Everyone can see it by them self. I have played at RPUK for 2 years and been part of countless encounters with other players and I like to think Im somewhat know person as a virtual policeman and as a player of a community. To put that 2 years in numbers I would estimate I have played nearly 4000h at the server divide that by the days of year and I have avaragely played over 5 hour every single day of the year, or half of the year in a row. I don’t simply play barely anywhere else but at RPUK and that’s it. There is 0 reasons for me to go anywhere else, because I feel it is the most fitting environment for me. If this does not show you how much I want to go back policing, I simply don’t know what will. Sadly I’m also astonished why I’m in need to go trough stuff like this when its information what everyone can access and It does not change or add to the factual information what I provided in a first place.

This is all what I got, core message has not changed I have nothing more to put in top of it. It is not that I try to go around the system by “not putting effort in” as those words are the only ones I got to say about this matter. We can add more beef around them, but it is not going to chance the core bone hard facts. What I wanted was to save you from a wall of text what does not serve any purpose to me when I have already presented the points I have to present to you and to open an discussion. It was not to insult anyone. I might simply understand words differently or output them differently when the platform is English, it is not my first lang. I'm in hopes that people know for sure that I'm not a malicious person, I don't expect to be treated any differently than any other person like drew said.

If this does not provide you a satisfied answer to these questions you might have, then unfortunaltelly, I simply do not understand what is going on and I simply canot provide any better answers. I do not understand why this all is needed, I do not understand why the ban was put in place. It still does not chance the fact that I truly think I'm not a "bad person" nor do I think I dont deserve to continue playing.

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It's been a while between this appeal and the last one, I'm surprised you hadn't put one in sooner, how come?

Back to the main topic, looking back over the video again, it was poor, their is no denying it, standard of RP must be kept high, this is not always the case but you being in a whitelist faction, in a special division and on top of that being a SI. Watching that situation play out, from my opinion looked as you went in there with the intent to kill, not to RP. Fuel station robbery's are the alarm been sounded (In RP), why you needed such hostile action, I don't know. But that's up for police command if you are unbanned and join back to look at.

With all that said, if you were faced with that situation again, what would you do? 

 
It's been a while between this appeal and the last one, I'm surprised you hadn't put one in sooner, how come?

Back to the main topic, looking back over the video again, it was poor, their is no denying it, standard of RP must be kept high, this is not always the case but you being in a whitelist faction, in a special division and on top of that being a SI. Watching that situation play out, from my opinion looked as you went in there with the intent to kill, not to RP. Fuel station robbery's are the alarm been sounded (In RP), why you needed such hostile action, I don't know. But that's up for police command if you are unbanned and join back to look at.

With all that said, if you were faced with that situation again, what would you do? 
I don't know how I'm supposed to get any sort of enjoyment of just shooting people robbing gas stations, well I guess its a treat for some people. If someone thinks I went in there just to do that then they are entitled to their own opinions. I just simply had to go to somewhere and repair a car, I was not responding to any robbery,  asked nicely, asked not so nicely, got jumped on by a guy coming from behind me and obviously got a hearth-attack as you can see from the video.

I have personally always had bit more wider approach to RP scenarios  than other people on this community. I might track someone with a darter for a hour just to be able to tell him exactly what illegal he has done during that time. Same stuff with that scenario, I might fail to see the "poor RP" in that as I see the whole scenario from start to finish. Shooting part of this was roughly 1minute long when the whole encounter with the people took round 10min. You might see it just as the encounter with the fella inside of the gas station, who im to judge. Obviously you as admins set the boundaries and judge the rules as you see fit, I don't need to agree with them I just need to be able to follow them. I truly believe this was just a random mistake based on reasons I have explained. Me being part of whitelisted faction, any special division, or being a SI do not exclude me from making hasty decisions or mistakes. Making if this and that for me feels pointless as its obviously easy to see from afterwards that I should not have had never even went to that situation, or just tried to back off from it. In the moment it might go down exactly the same way for you as it did for me, and only thing what is left is for us to improve. 

 
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Even though you disagree with the ban, I do commend you on understanding that it is us that sets the rules. Reason I put it like that, is because most people we ban, do not actually understand that, however will spend a full application saying how we're wrong. But I hope with this, you have learned where the lines are in regards to this matter.

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