To all you so called "Gangs" out there part 2.

[PLF Wolf]

i know 2 of the guys had to go, as the rp went on that long, some of us work yeah? i never left, Palmoz got his ifirite crushed, we all lost out the negotiator lost out as she was also killed by her own men, if you gave us 5 minutes it would of all been over, with no blood shed, You guys knew what was happening, you knew that heli was there to make the trade, why go in? she came with us to see the hostage, she was there to see and save the hostage, she had comms at all time, we gave her our mobile, so you couldn trace her, but she could speak to you when needed.*The police are allowed into the red zone at their own risk on operations* And please link where it says other than the bank i cant take negotiator hostages, having a tough time finding this..

 

[Fuel]

i know 2 of the guys had to go, as the rp went on that long, some of us work yeah? i never left, Palmoz got his ifirite crushed, we all lost out the negotiator lost out as she was also killed by her own men, if you gave us 5 minutes it would of all been over, with no blood shed, You guys knew what was happening, you knew that heli was there to make the trade, why go in? she came with us to see the hostage, she was there to see and save the hostage, she had comms at all time, we gave her our mobile, so you couldn trace her, but she could speak to you when needed.*The police are allowed into the red zone at their own risk on operations* And please link where it says other than the bank i cant take negotiator hostages, having a tough time finding this..

she did not have comms at all times, so your saying that it was not combat logging it was they just had to go perfect timing again then, seems to happen to you guys alot. It would of never been over in 5 minutes as we had no negotiator as you kidnapped them, so the only out come was to eliminate the target as we couldnt talk to the negotiator due to only being able to txt how do we know it was them and also when we asked to see the negotiator and hostage you refused so what choice does that leave?

 

[PLF Wolf]

No one asked to see them, and us driving to the helicopter was to make the exchange, the exchange would of ended it peacfully if you have proof of you asking us to see them show it please, I received no messages, we have the full video we will upload all 2 hours scroll to the end, before you guys engage and you will hear the guys saying they have to go. we gave her comms a few minutes into her getting into the car, i still see no link to me not being able to take a negotiator, outside of the bank, i think SPC Simon is right this is all down to past experiences with PLF, there was no need to engage us, there was no need to ruin everyones evening in this RP including the 2 officers involved, i say nothing more, i have nothing more to say, listen to zippey, and try RP a little yourself instead of shooting on site.

 

[Fuel]

ok well good job, you have just ruined nearly all future hostage ops as now we can not send a negotiator in as they will just be kidnapped. It will all have to be done over the phone.

 

[Kris!]

I will get the guys to upload the combat logging if you wish.

Get me this and send it to me on Steam please, just want to verify it. I don't particularly want to be a part of a gang that combat logs.

 

[PLF Wolf]

Shame, as i said there would of been no bloodshed till yous appeared, the trade was almost over and we had good fun, im sure the hostage and PC had fun too

 

[Fuel]

Get me this and send it to me on Steam please, just want to verify it. I don't particularly want to be a part of a gang that combat logs.

no problem mate will do it tonight when I am home.

And wolfbain no it was not nearly over since you took the negotiator hostage demands was never going to be met.

 

[PLF Wolf]

Ok, end of the day cops won, i aint here to argue, just pissed me off every time we get moaned at for not Rp'in we rp and get gunned down regardless, maybe roll bounty hunter, then again cop will probably still shoot me in the head rebels died hostage died and negotiator died, round of applause for Altis's finest. the 9 or whatever was there including the negotiator all had a blast regardless of the outcome, try smile once in a while Fuel no hard feelings, nough said

 

[Kris!]

Ok, end of the day cops won, i aint here to argue, just pissed me off every time we get moaned at for not Rp'in we rp and get gunned down regardless, maybe roll bounty hunter, then again cop will probably still shoot me in the head rebels died hostage died and negotiator died, round of applause for Altis's finest. the 9 or whatever was there including the negotiator all had a blast regardless of the outcome, try smile once in a while Fuel no hard feelings, nough said

I think this thread is a bit corrupted anyway, in terms that people are shouting at people who aren't in the same gang they think they're in. Fuel was talking about BLR one moment, then talking to you as if you were in BLR, but in actual fact you're in PLF. I wouldn't take much of it to heart, I'm waiting on Fuel to send me a video of this combat log so I can make a judgement and decide what action to take there. I'm by no means a gang leader but I can still talk to people about things they should and should not do.

 

[Fuel]

I think this thread is a bit corrupted anyway, in terms that people are shouting at people who aren't in the same gang they think they're in. Fuel was talking about BLR one moment, then talking to you as if you were in BLR, but in actual fact you're in PLF. I wouldn't take much of it to heart, I'm waiting on Fuel to send me a video of this combat log so I can make a judgement and decide what action to take there. I'm by no means a gang leader but I can still talk to people about things they should and should not do.

I am going to make some blanket statements that are not aimed at anyone but some rebel/police rules that are not server rules but should be adhered too, for the sake of our sanity and to stop these fricking arguments.

The Bank

1. If the rebels message the police and ask for a negotiator, we will send one, no attacking each other while the negotiating is going on and no movement of vehicles this way we can actually RP.

2. If another Rebel group is robbing the bank, it does not give all rebel groups the right to turn up and kill the police (should be a server rule) this is an RP server not Call of Duty.

Negotiators

1. Are not allowed to be kidnapped in any circumstance they are there for RP and kidnapping them basically turns the situation into Call of Duty.

2. You can not take them anywhere and you cannot make them drop there gear.

Kidnapping 

1. do not ask for ridiculous amount of cash as we pay for this out of our own pocket, we do not have as much money as you and will not pay it.

2. Do not tell the police you have 30 seconds to do something, we will probably ignore you.

 

[Kris!]

I am going to make some blanket statements that are not aimed at anyone but some rebel/police rules that are not server rules but should be adhered too, for the sake of our sanity and to stop these fricking arguments.

Yeah I get you, I just think some people here took your blanket statements as personal statement, just trying to explain to Wolf that it's not the case, that you're talking about gangs in general.

 

[PLF Wolf]

I really dunno what else to say Fuel, it was Seriously hardcore RP we took her from one location to where the hostage was to see the hostage, as i say there was no intent for CoD there was no intent for blood, it gave us all some rp experience, but nevermind we all including the hostage and the negotiator had a good time.

 

[Fuel]

I really dunno what else to say Fuel, it was Seriously hardcore RP we took her from one location to where the hostage was to see the hostage, as i say there was no intent for CoD there was no intent for blood, it gave us all some rp experience, but nevermind we all including the hostage and the negotiator had a good time.

Basically what made the situation worse was, maybe it did not happen like this, maybe it was miss communication between yourselves and the negotiator, but you took the communications from the negotiator, now when this happens to a police officer they have to mute themselves on TS, which to us means they are held hostage as we can not communicate with them. all we got was the odd 999 message from them, the negotiator is the intermediary between the rebels and the police that is there job if we cant talk to them what is the point in them?

thats why to us it was not RP as we could not talk to you guys involved apart from the odd text

 

[PLF Wolf]

We gave her our phone, so you couldn trace her phone, she could of phoned, she didn have a txt maybe just miss communication between myself and her.

 

[Snickersbar]

I was part of both these incidents,

the bank situation, yes it awesome RP we though we was going to walk away from the bank without even firing a shot it was great but no alas PLF deciding that there was police at the bank and even though they was not involved in the bank job decided to snipe at officers in there because they have a Call of Duty mentality.

One of the PLF member cant remember which but some of our guys have it recorded was running around in there killing officers until I believe Bob killed him this was while we was still negotiating.

and the hostage situation,

You kidnapped the negotiator, so no it was not 2 hours of RP it was 2 hours of you kidnapping the negotiator, we had to get a second negotiator.

The job of a negotiator is to speak with you work out a release deal and then go fetch the ransom and bring it to you.

How can she bring it to you if you hold her against her will and get her to drop her gear, kidnapping is against the geneva convention (Rules) and we killed multiple members of PLF yesterday and every single one of you combat logged.

Why did you have police moving in on the perps while you were negotiating? putting the negotiators life at risk and what ever you were negotiating for. Who had the "Call of duty" mentallity again?

I would have scouts spotting that from a mile off if I had anything to say about it and killed whatever cop i saw then and there.

Surrounding someone is an aggressive move, if you get caught doing it negotiations are off, or new ones will begin starting with police backing off. Would depend on how threatened I feel. But clearly your just out to shoot..

 

[Fuel]

Why did you have police moving in on the perps while you were negotiating? putting the negotiators life at risk and what ever you were negotiating for. Who had the "Call of duty" mentallity again?

I would have scouts spotting that from a mile off if I had anything to say about it and killed whatever cop i saw then and there.

Surrounding someone is an aggressive move, if you get caught doing it negotiations are off, or new ones will begin starting with police backing off. Would depend on how threatened I feel. But clearly your just out to shoot..

because we was not negotiating we had no communication with the negotiator, this is sorted now anyway

 

[sexy_smurf]

Fuel ur really just making up stuff to make us look bad? Check out the video called "Best rp ever" in the video section.

U clearly see there she was no hostage untill the very end when our guys were shot at..

Stop ur lying bs, ur making a fool of urself. And for the combatlog, Show it.. i highly doubt one of the PLF combatlogged.

 

[Fuel]

Well you obviously have not read this thread as wolfbain has already said 2 guys did but that was because they had to go to work, And you held a negotiator against there will which is the definition of a hostage, so none of what I said is BS as you put it, and you took the negotiators phone which meant she could not contact the guys that was there to make sure things went smoothly, and due to no contact we had no choice other than moving in, the moment you put the negotiator in you vehicle and removed there comms they are a hostage.

 

[sexy_smurf]

I did, u obviously didnt watch that movie. Because u can hear her saying all the time she is "texting with her supperiors ALL the time even when she was in the ifrit she still had her comms untill u guys decided to take us down with an hostage and negotiotor in our car? So most of what ur said is BS. As for the combatlog i didnt see any of the PLF combatlog and i never did see a PLF do it. Show some proof only then i can believe it.

 

[Fuel]

I did, u obviously didnt watch that movie. Because u can hear her saying all the time she is "texting with her supperiors ALL the time even when she was in the ifrit she still had her comms untill u guys decided to take us down with an hostage and negotiotor in our car? So most of what ur said is BS. As for the combatlog i didnt see any of the PLF combatlog and i never did see a PLF do it. Show some proof only then i can believe it.

of course you did not see them do it as you have a blind spot when it comes to your own friends, she was texting her superior but getting 1 text every couple of minutes is not good enough when she should have her radio. I am not posting in here any longer as you are obviously incapable of talking to people and just want to argue.