Ti BEN Take a PCSO in ziptis

[Bellyke]

Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name):Ti Ben
 
Time & Date this happened:10 AM
 
Which Server did this happen on:1
 
Description of what happened:again we when to the drug dealer there was a HEMMT box , and we arrived we just wanted to RP whit the person and NO AGAIN ( only respond we got is PUT YOUR HANDS UP OFFICER , they ziptired mine PCSO i runned to a building and i was trying to get him out , but this is just poor RP either the those gangs arent TALKING ANY MORE , they just want fights and stuff 
 
What Rule Was Broken ?:hostage  
hos·tage  (hŏs′tĭj)
n.
1. A person held by one party in a conflict as security that specified terms will be met by the opposing party.
2. One that serves as security against an implied threat: superpowers held hostage to each other by their nuclear arsenals.
3. One that is under the constraining control of another.
10G) CSO's and PCSO’s are not to be taken as hostages.
 
Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?:No as im done whit those kind of RP
  
Please post video evidence/screenshots here
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence, If your report is about RDM then it must be a video leading upto the RDM and after)
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/537397040744680551/EEA6580368D26079BD95DF24C16BF6138BEC7A40/
 

 

[Ben_Banned]

Not sure if you have a recording you can upload or what, but we were engaged by Police at the drug dealer, I told the PCSO to surrender, he surrendered and I ziptied him for my own saftey in a hostile situation, I didn't take him hostage, I had no demands I didn't move him from the area, I moved him from behind the drug dealer to the front and put him next to the Police car I then went looking for yourself, I then found you behind a house running around, you died and I went back to the PCSO, stripped him and let him go, the rule says

10G)[SIZE=medium] CSO's and PCSO’s are not to be taken as hostages. [/SIZE]

The rule doesn't say you're not allowed to Ziptie and I let him go less than 2 minutes later, I've done this before multiple times and you're the first person to complain about it.

 

[Bellyke]

the definition of a hostage which a I posted is:

 
3. One that is under the constraining control of another.
 
you was hold the PCSO against his will and with restraints.
 
Wilco has also stated he can not put every single tiny detail into the rules as it would be 1000 pages long.
 
It is common sense

 

[Ben_Banned]

the definition of a hostage which a I posted is:

 
3. One that is under the constraining control of another.
 
you was hold the PCSO against his will and with restraints.
 
Wilco has also stated he can not put every single tiny detail into the rules as it would be 1000 pages long.
 
It is common sense

Would you rather me have just killed him after he surrendered? 

I ziptied him for my own saftey I let him go as soon as it was clear I am not going to let someone who is hostile sit there freely ready to take their hands down at any point and shoot me in the back.

You die, you report people for so called "Fail RP".

I restrain a PCSO for 2 minutes and let him live, you report me.

As there's a currently a lot of reports going up should we start uploading the videos of you running up to the Huron while we're selling drugs sorry I mean "Baiting" and attempting to scrap it while you're at least 4vs1?

What would you consider the better thing to do in this situation Bellyke, shoot him while he has his hands up complying with me or restrain him for 2 minutes and let him live.

I had no demands, I didn't move him more than 20 meters from the place I restrained him, I didn't enter any negotiations, all I did was RESTRAIN him.

 

[Bellyke]

Ti Ben , as a OFFICER i need to respond on drug trafficing stuff , but that hurron Landed 3 times and i DIDNT get 0 RP only rp i get is HANDS UP , or LEAVE THE AREA , comon is that the HIGHEST RP you guys can give ? , the RP is on this server MAIN PRIORYTY , but seems our OWN GANGS keep forgetting it and wanne make it a wasteland or king of the hill match agains the police , either when you ziptie's the PCSO i was the ONLY police officer on duty then ( you outnumberd us ) but still you need to USE GUNS instand of RPing , that says either enough for me , but ill let a admin decide

 

[TinyBigJacko]

OK. Let's use some commonsense here (both ways).

I'm not sure where that definition of hostage was dug out from, but here are some more (at random) and which I think are a little more accurate:

"a person seized or held as security for the fulfilment of a condition."

"A person held by one party in a conflict as security that specified terms will be met by the opposing party."

"a person given or held as security for the fulfillment of certain conditions or terms, promises, etc., by another."

I think it's pretty clear from those that the 'hostage' bit which is banned for low-rank policemen refers to the using them as bargaining-chips, or in order to gain safe passage by way of threatening their lives. Not the simple act of restraining them.

So, given what Ben has said, I'm not going to allow a ban on this occasion... HOWEVER (and yes, all is not 100% well)...

Ben... if you had roleplayed this better on the actual server, instead of here on the forum, the officer would have been totally clear on what it was that you were doing, and why. I appreciate that in the heat of the action, you may not have time to go rifling through his backpack or negotiating with him to drop his weapon and empty the clips out of his bag, removing all his sandwiches, crumpets, teabags, socks, spare pants and old tissues in the process. There isn't time when the law is closing in and you gotta run... I get that.

But, you've still got to let the guy KNOW what it is you're doing - whether he is safe, what your intentions are. Or he will jump to the conclusion that he's being taken hostage and that this is a rule-break going down right there.

This ain't real life... in real-life, yea, the restrained cop WOULD probably assume he's being taken hostage and/or about to die, but in RL, there are no such rules of engagement in this situation, so here on the server, you need to be EXPLICIT, in order to save your own hide, and to make it more fun or at least more involving for the other players... or else it just becomes power-play in which they are your toy, and have no real role other than being bitched and griefed by an OP idiot with a rifle and (apparently) no voice. It's not a lot of fun.

I am growing increasingly concerned at the number of accusations I'm hearing (still - after everything we talked about) that say that TI's roleplay consists of about five words: "hands up or you're dead" and not very much more. This is pisspoor, frankly. If you and your guys really cannot see what we're attempting to achieve by enforcing rules on ROLEPLAY, or if your sole objective is to play milsim on an RP server and stay 1.2 microns inside the rules, then you're looking at the pointy end of my ban-stick sooner or later, mate. Don't be there when it goes off. In fact, you WON'T be there when it goes off, I can assure you.

Up your fucking game - all of you. Articulate more. Talk. Explain. Put the other participants IN the game, rather than just gaming on them. Make it exciting and fun for EVERYONE you encounter, not just your own gang. Get some interpersonal skills to match your weapons skills, and maybe you'll see fewer of these angry reports.

The line you are walking is growing increasingly thin. I think you can save yourselves, but you'll have to work harder. Prove us all wrong, and take some hints from the finer RPers on here, and make rolling with you just as much fun whether you're in the TI gang, or out of it.