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Name of the person you are reporting (in-game name):Thomas
 
Time & Date this happened: 31/12/2014 around 15.50
 
Description of what happened: Basically we got a call that there was an armed man in athira garage, we arrived on scene we started to RP with a gentlemen and the video explains the rest. i would also like to add that he killed a civilian on are half it looked like RDM But they might beg to Differ.
 
Have you tried to resolve with the player before posting?: :I have he seems not to understand the rules and said he carn't come on TS
  
Please post video evidence/screen shots here
(This is almost a must! without this you have no solid evidence)
Also a screen shot providing he killed a civilian.
http://imgur.com/luqE0TO
 


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It's nice to see you cut out all the parts of him strongly hinting that he's not alone and has support, Which you even said in Pms that "you have proof that he didn't say those things" but in reality he said things such as: 

I'm in a gang
Referred to the situation as We Not I 
Told officers he didn't want to move from the exact spot he was in
that he didn't want to be restrained 
and that he wasn't going to give his gun up
saying "you should reconsider handcuffing me"

the reason we didn't directly say "we have a sniper on you right now" is because there would have been radio calls for back up as a police officer should do. But I don't believe it's my fault that the police officers didn't pick up on any of the signs that were given to them.

also I don't have Ts on my pc which I explained to him but he refused to accept as an answer. 

Shots were also only fired once they were trying to arrest him, Before that I was just observing and watching their moves. At that point I knew if I didn't move in then they would have already taken him into their car and unfortunately they were a tad too far to hear me clearly on what I was going to say.

I feel like there was a reasonable amount of RP there to the point where it wasn't RDM 

RDM would imply it was random without reason with no RP when there was, It was a rescue mission that only began once he was arrested. At that point any other officer would have realized they weren't alone or at least questioned what he was saying but nothing. It seems the only way they would have been happy is if I walked right down to them and held them at gun point, Or for my friend to tell them that there's a sniper on them right now. Either of which would have meant instant back up to the scene. 

Also at the point of him being restrained you can hear in the video me telling him to tell them to put their guns down unfortunately that was interrupted at which point action was taken.

Also the civ that was killed was killed for picking up weapons off the ground when there's just been a shots fired. It's just common sense really, Then they warned to not go near the guns someone disagreed and picked one up to which he was also shot.

video of the incident, All the footage from start to end of the incident. 


Video is processing at time of posting should be done shortly after posted though.

 
1 Video Not working

2 i dont have the whole scenario due to shadow play.

3 hinting or not he did not directly address the fact that we would be killed if we did not let him go. and we did not catch on to the hints.= Be Clear.

4 You RP'D nothing what so ever we never spoke to you  and as i quote this is a serious RP Community, Not about childish behaviour in which guns always have to be used.

5 honestly we spent ten mins speaking to your friend in which it was clear and we said we will compensate you for the cost of the gun in which he replied obliviously lying saying it was "500k".

6) Words are a lot more powerful than guns!

 
Know the video is working. when you killed the first Civilian no warnings were given to them, also i love how your friend could talk to you while in restraints? i would also love to add as i said know clear warnings were given from you or him, bad Role-play and in my eyes RDM.

 
Wilco has addressed this before about talking while in restrains, Wireless headsets can be used but only until comms are taken away. Which you did at no point.

exactly you were claiming rdm from the 30 seconds of footage you had, just cutting everything to make it seem worse than it is. 

You don't have to RP with me for me to take action, He was speaking on behalf for the both of us, as was pretty easy to figure out by him. Again it's not my fault you didn't pick up on or even question the things he said.

Plus action was taken on your part so action was taken on our part, Also yes words are more powerful than guns hence why he said he was not going to drop his gun. If you were willing to comp him for his gun I'm sure you could have been willing to just leave it alone since he was doing a good thing.

and as a stated it was a life firing situation, you don't pick up/draw guns in such a situation It's just common sense. 

 
As i said he clearly did not say and direct that are lives are in danger and instead of arguing lets act like adults and just wait for an admin response. Also you can not kill on a "hint".

 
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as you can see in the video - i was a witness to this. 

he was giving you a hint - to not proceed in taking his weapon or shit would go down. but trying to do so in a way that the police wouldn't flip out and call back up or start shooting - but the police continued to do so, so they were shot. 

 
ddppss said:
as you can see in the video - i was a witness to this. 

he was giving you a hint - to not proceed in taking his weapon or shit would go down. but trying to do so in a way that the police wouldn't flip out and call back up or start shooting - but the police continued to do so, so they were shot. 
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Exactly, people seem to forget that RP doesn't mean just straight up saying something. It means to actually act out something like it were happening. Which I feel is what we did.

 
As i said lets see what the admins say, lets not turn this in to a bitch fest. Also as i said hinting is not clear Enough to a valid reason to shoot.

 
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At no point did he say you would be in danger if you removed his weapon.

Approved for RDM as the officers had no idea there was a sniper near to defend themselves.

 
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