The RP with police. Is there any point?

[H4XS]

So here is my story guys:
I found an unlocked sports hatchback, in Athira. As i started to drive towards Pyrgos i got pulled over right outside the Athira, for speeding and not have my lights on. Which is Fine.

But here comes the RP part of this ticket:
I start to tell the cops right of the away that i borrowed the car. They telling me otherwise - i was like "Ok sure, just prove it, that's i stole it then"
"You're not registered to this vehicle therefore - you stole it."
"Sure, if you can prove it"
Notice; i never stole the car. I did not have ANY charges. Yet they blame me with grand theft.
So we were going back and forth about me being guilty, even tho I HAD TO PROVE THEM THAT I WAS NOT GUILTY, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!! The law states: ( Wikipedia) 

                             "The presumption of innocence, sometimes referred to by the Latin expression Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof is on he who declares, not on he who denies), is the principle that one is considered innocent until proven guilty. In many nations, presumption of innocence is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial. The burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which has to collect and present enough compelling evidence to convince the trier of fact"

  I tried to tell them that, they didn't listen so they tried to contact GnC Stixio or something (it was his car) they told me that they had spoken to him, which was a clearly a lie, since he was not online.
Then they told me that my "borrowed" car, had illegal substances in it.
I told them to prove it they didn't do that either. 


So here comes the question: Is there any point to RP with cops, at all?
They failed to prove me being guilty in "stealing" the car (I had no charges).
They tried to frame me with the drugs (No evidence were presented before me)
They lied about speaking to the player that i "stole" my car from (He was NOT online, but they told me that they "texted" him)
BTW. I didn't want to pay the full price of the 100k ticket, since i was not guilty in all charges. Therefore i wanted ticket to be smaller, as well. 

I am sorry, but i think many police officers on this server are morons. It's okay if they do it with good RP, it's even fun, but why bullshit people? Who was right in this situation, me or police?
There is no way to get out of the situation (even if you are not guilty). I have been witness in other RP situation with cops as well. You are guilty no matter what. "There is cameras all over the city". "Yes, it was not your fault, but you have to pay the ticket anyway".  etc.


P.S. My player name is Georg.
 

 

[Sovereign]

You found an unlocked car that did not belong to you and drove it...so you did steal it. :mellow:

 

[Grumpy]

Be a cop on the server for a couple days then call us morons.

I've Had enough of these posts from "moron" rebels posted on the forums claiming cops just suck on the server all the time without knowing what bullshit type of role play approaches us all the time.

You always claim to be innocent and in the right and always cry when you get caught doing ILLEGAL things!

 

[Ciaran]

Well, since police can see the real owners of a car in a click, the police are right. This is just like saying because it was abandoned you decided to borrow it. Therefore you have taken it from the owner. You were proven guilty when your name did not match the registration on the car.

Quite alot of people have RP'ed out of having a stolen car. It takes time and patience.

 

[H4XS]

Okay here we go again. Now prove me how YOUR story is more legit than mine. I told you I "borrowed" it, and it's all you guys know. You simply cannot prove that I stole it.

For all you know, he did borrowed me the car and didn't want to give me the key so I wouldn't do anything illegal with it (like transporting drugs)

I DID NOT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. Please prove me right here, that I stole it. You simply can't!

Yes, I am not a owner. But I didn't do grand theft either. ATM you guys saying that YOUR story is better than mine. Can you prove it?

What about lying about the illegal substances and talking to the owner?

Can I become a cop as well, and tell that I got UAV flying over Altis therefore my story is always in my favor?

 

[H4XS]

You found an unlocked car that did not belong to you and drove it...so you did steal it. :mellow:

My record is clean. Why is stole-story more legit than borrow - story? Yes I am not registered, but I am not wanted either.

Come on guys, why is cops story more legit ?

 

[Kris!]

So just to get this clear, you found someone's car and got into it when it was unlocked? And you think that's not vehicle theft? Unfortunately, you'll only be placed on a wanted list if you pick lock a vehicle, however it's still considered illegal to take someone's unlocked vehicle. Bearing in mind, if you were a cop, seen someone speeding and driving dangerously, then approached them, asked them who's vehicle it is, and its not theirs.. what would you think? It's not that police role play is bad, it's that you're playing on a virtual life server, however any repercussion of crimes you commit in game won't affect your actual life, therefore people think they can st away with actual murder, however get upset when they get arrested for doing so.

My advice, stick to your own car or have a good story and something or someone to back up what you say.

 

[H4XS]

I know you guys in UK got some retarded insurance rulls. But in other places people can actully borrow a car without being registered to it, as long as you qualify under some criteria, like being above a certain age for example.

 

[H4XS]

So just to get this clear, you found someone's car and got into it when it was unlocked? And you think that's not vehicle theft? Unfortunately, you'll only be placed on a wanted list if you pick lock a vehicle, however it's still considered illegal to take someone's unlocked vehicle. Bearing in mind, if you were a cop, seen someone speeding and driving dangerously, then approached them, asked them who's vehicle it is, and its not theirs.. what would you think? It's not that police role play is bad, it's that you're playing on a virtual life server, however any repercussion of crimes you commit in game won't affect your actual life, therefore people think they can st away with actual murder, however get upset when they get arrested for doing so.

My advice, stick to your own car or have a good story and something or someone to back up what you say.

Now PROVE that I stole it. Prove me wrong, jesus fucking christ. Prove it. You got 0 evidence. ATM you got an assumption that I stole since I am not registered. But I am telling you otherwise. The police tried to prove me wrong -and they failed. No evidence were shown.
Did you even read the post? I don't have to prove anything. You have to come with evidence not the other way around!!

 

[Snickersbar]

This is a common problem. I'm still in the proccess of collecting examples, got about 3 or 4 cases of police power play so far recorded.

The main problem is that it's widely accepted, when I have enough I will post it, or take it to an admin, along with my view of it and why it shouldn't be accepted. (Probably take it to an admin in the form of a PM). Should add for all those that loves to get offended that my goal is not to put anyone in a sticky spot or spread hate, but to shed light on this issue as a problem and why I think different guidelines need to be considered.

As for your case, taking your word for the succession of events to be true, they could have impounded the vehicle on grounds of suspicion, as there would be no report made of a stolen vehicle by an offline player and they would not be able to reach said player to confirm. Neither would there be any record of you lockpicking the vehicle. There is nothing to build a case on therefor no charge can be made.

 

[H4XS]

As for your case, taking your word for the succession of events to be true, they could have impounded the vehicle on grounds of suspicion, as there would be no report made of a stolen vehicle by an offline player and they would not be able to reach said player to confirm. Neither would there be any record of you lockpicking the vehicle. There is nothing to build a case on therefor no charge can be made.

OMG finally. I totally agree with your verdict right here! Impounding the car is fine, blaming for something they can't prove is not. Especially when they tried to charge me with drugs and lying abot talking to the player. No evidence= not guilty.

 

[Fuel]

Okay here we go again. Now prove me how YOUR story is more legit than mine. I told you I "borrowed" it, and it's all you guys know. You simply cannot prove that I stole it.

For all you know, he did borrowed me the car and didn't want to give me the key so I wouldn't do anything illegal with it (like transporting drugs)

I DID NOT DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. Please prove me right here, that I stole it. You simply can't!

Yes, I am not a owner. But I didn't do grand theft either. ATM you guys saying that YOUR story is better than mine. Can you prove it?

What about lying about the illegal substances and talking to the owner?

Can I become a cop as well, and tell that I got UAV flying over Altis therefore my story is always in my favor?

couple of points

1. if he didnt give you the key how was you driving it as the engine would not start, so you must have hot wired it i.e. stolen it.

2. i have let people get way with it before they told me they was a mechanic and they was just driving it from the garage to break test it after its service, the owner will be picking it up shortly.

just complaining because you did not come up with anything original is kind of pointless 90% of people we catch in stolen vehicles say the was given it or was allowed to drive it by a friend.

 

[Khandamir]

I roleplayed my way out of aiming snipers at the prison, which was crawling with cops shooting helicopters down. When they came to us, we just hide the guns, take out our binoculars and say we were birdspotting.

I roleplayed my way out of transporting a hostage in chains in a Hellcat, by telling him: Okay we are busted, we will release you to the cops, as long as you don't say anything about what happened when we robbed your trucks full of oil. We will tell you where the trucks are if you do so. Had a nice casual talk with the cops, kept our guns, kept our hellcat, released the hostage.
 

There are always ways out of situations, as long as you can come up with something original. Don't blame the cops if the don't fall for the so manieth same story.

 

[Devil]

As having been part of one of the situations Khandamir described I can say there is always point to RP. It doesn't matter if other side is police, medic, rebel, drug dealer, civ or group of people with guns and a chopper who are taking you to hostage, always RP.

After reading your posts I'm also feeling that the police didn't do anything majorly wrong. True, maybe their RP could have been better but so could yours. But if you want to go down to law level, then I think police had all the right to assume the vehicle is stolen and request you to prove it. Next time try not to speed with lights off in someones else vehicle without having keys.

But if I were you I wouldn't worry. I've had my share of contact (bad and good) with police and other players and there's always something to learn from every situation so you can be better next time, play the situation out better next time and we'll all have good time.

 

[H4XS]

couple of points

1. if he didnt give you the key how was you driving it as the engine would not start, so you must have hot wired it i.e. stolen it.

2. i have let people get way with it before they told me they was a mechanic and they was just driving it from the garage to break test it after its service, the owner will be picking it up shortly.

just complaining because you did not come up with anything original is kind of pointless 90% of people we catch in stolen vehicles say the was given it or was allowed to drive it by a friend.

1. Thats what u do when u lockpick a car, or do keys magically apear in your hands? Don't be silly. Fucking PROVE that I stole it. No prove=no charges. Open car= keys in the engine. Not wires, stop making up making up MY story.

2. Why would I start bs. about something else? When my the story I am telling is true? Idc how many other stories like mine you get as long as you can't prove it otherwise - which you didn't.

I don't care about other stories, this is mine story and as long as you can't prove it wrong, it's legit. The 90% of this stories is probably legit, if you can't prove it otherwise. Take a cookie and just nod to it, instead of being such a asshole to deal with.

 

[Fuel]

I have a few ways of RPing out of it

1. Your a mechanic break testing the vehicle after service.

2. Ask the cops for assistance act scared and say some men was trying to kidnap you and you managed to get in one of there vehicles and escape.

3. Say you are a chauffeur and you are going to pick up your boss.

4. You are a valeting company and you are going to take the car for a clean.

5. You are a repo guy and the owner failed to keep up his repayments.

See the possibilities are endless just use your imagination

 

[H4XS]

I have a few ways of RPing out of it

1. Your a mechanic break testing the vehicle after service.

2. Ask the cops for assistance act scared and say some men was trying to kidnap you and you managed to get in one of there vehicles and escape.

3. Say you are a chauffeur and you are going to pick up your boss.

4. You are a valeting company and you are going to take the car for a clean.

5. You are a repo guy and the owner failed to keep up his repayments.

See the possibilities are endless just use your imagination

6. Or i could just tell what happened? 

Can you prove my story wrong? No. Then it´s legit. 

If you can´t prove me wrong it´s YOUR problem, not mine! 

Why did officers lie about the drugs and contacting other player?  

 

[Devil]

H4XS based on your wreckless driving they have full right to ask you to prove that you are the correct owner of the vehicle.

If you fail to do so, they have full right to assume it's stolen. Even in IRL if you get caught breaking the law and drive someones else vehicle you might have to prove that the owner has allowed you to drive it. Even if you don't need to have written verdict from the owner all the time with you.

You did put yourself into a position in which you need to prove them that your story is legit.

But it's true that lying about the drugs is fishy, I have to agree with that.

 

[Fuel]

6. Or i could just tell what happened? 

Can you prove my story wrong? No. Then it´s legit. 

If you can´t prove me wrong it´s YOUR problem, not mine! 

Why did officers lie about the drugs and contacting other player?  

I am afraid it does not work like that and you will never be let go, I can already tell what kind of criminal you are without ever coming to a situational you are involved in,

Instead of trying to RP out of it you would most likely hurl abuse at the officers then complain as you are getting fined/prisoned shouting I am reporting this is abuse!. Sound familiar?

take the information that all these people kindly gave you and move on if you want to report someone go to the report a player section otherwise leave it there you are obviously not willing to discuss and that is what General Discussion is for.