Taking control of the unmc checkpoint

[blaze1981]

Who said anything about running?

Telling you to man up works as a response to UNMC complaining on the forums theyre not good enough / not strong enough / not able (delete as appropriate), to retake possession of their own checkpoint. Seeking assistance/protection by way of a server rule and the accompanying ban hammer, seems something an inferior group would do.

we have never failed once to re take the checkpoint everytime it has been taken we are back in it before server ends, but thats not the point why should innocent civs be caught up in it and killed why should we be fighting every day when we could be role playing which is what this server is all about after all

 

[Sovereign]

It is a slow inching process as we do not run like lemmings at it. It becomes a stalemate when people block off the entrances with Tempests and HEMMT Boxes. When they are not there,we've taken the checkpoint back in 10 minutes some times. You cannot shoot it or nudge it out of the way as when and if it explodes it is considered VDM. Lockpicking is suicide as we tried that before too. You have to touch it and stay locked in an animation for more then a minute,then try to nudge it out all while getting shot at. Trying to land a helicopter inside is also an obviously terrible idea that is avoided.

What usually happens because of this is accurate pot shots into the checkpoint until everyone is dead from medium to long range,because you cannot get inside due to server rules and unnecessarily suicidal alternatives. This is why it takes hours and why we're asking for alternative suggestions.

 

[unconnected]

Thats precisely why I said add something like an APC for those long stalemates (I'm talking if it's not sorted within 2-3hrs+). It gives you something better than just using admin powers or resulting to arguments in side or TS - I know, I've been there and this is far better for the community than the slagging matches that happen otherwise.

It's got the firepower to clear vehicles which are blocking the entrances and no-one is going to stick around when it starts firing.

If it was carefully overseen by an admin (and only brought out if an admin were on) and a high ranking (I'm talking blaze basically, or you or vacatio) member of UNMC operated the gun, then there you go, checkpoint cleared. All within RP (you're a military force) and the knowledge that it would get used will be in the back of everyone's head and so hopefully these full blown attacks will be less frequent.

 

[Sovereign]

Thats precisely why I said add something like an APC for those long stalemates (I'm talking if it's not sorted within 2-3hrs+). It gives you something better than just using admin powers or resulting to arguments in side or TS - I know, I've been there and this is far better for the community than the slagging matches that happen otherwise.

It's got the firepower to clear vehicles which are blocking the entrances and no-one is going to stick around when it starts firing.

If it was carefully overseen by an admin (and only brought out if an admin were on) and a high ranking (I'm talking blaze basically, or you or vacatio) member of UNMC operated the gun, then there you go, checkpoint cleared. All within RP (you're a military force) and the knowledge that it would get used will be in the back of everyone's head and so hopefully these full blown attacks will be less frequent.

If you blew up the truck with an APC it would still be considered VDM. We would have blown them up with armed offroads otherwise and assaulted it.

 

[unconnected]

Like I said, you would only be able to bring it out if you or vacatio was on. At that point you can send a global message with some beautifully crafted RP content and warn them that back up has arrived. At that point the checkpoint is either going to clear from the threat of it, or from when you start firing. Either way, it's not RDM as you've warned them first.

Come on sovereign, embrace the big guns! You're a military force and people should fear your guys hardware. If all you have extra is a .50 cal sniper and the striders can't get in, you're no better than any other gang and there will be nothing more than a boring, argument prone war of attrition.

 

[Sovereign]

Like I said, you would only be able to bring it out if you or vacatio was on. At that point you can send a global message with some beautifully crafted RP content and warn them that back up has arrived. At that point the checkpoint is either going to clear from the threat of it, or from when you start firing. Either way, it's not RDM as you've warned them first.

Come on sovereign, embrace the big guns! You're a military force and people should fear your guys hardware. If all you have extra is a .50 cal sniper and the striders can't get in, you're no better than any other gang and there will be nothing more than a boring, argument prone war of attrition.

I wasn't talking about RDM. I literally meant VDM,it wasn't a spelling error. As I stated if you blow up a vehicle and someone is next to it it is VDM and if you try to nudge a vehicle out of the way and it explodes it is VDM. An APC doesn't change that.

This is why I stated suicide vests or mortars as a suggessted alternative if nothing better comes up. If you cannot remove it,because of rule breaking explosions without it being suicidal then give a reason for explosions to occur.

 

[unconnected]

A global warning does though, surely?

 

[Sovereign]

A global warning does though, surely?

About exploding vehicles no. They come out with martial law to take away responsibility of killing on sight,commonly during city attacks. Doing so at the checkpoint changes nothing about VDM. It also seems silly to warn someone a vehicle is about to explode via global message. Ironically if they were inside the vehicle it would not be considered VDM if it was shot at.

 

[unconnected]

Sorry, I meant you could say something like this in a global message "This is Cmdr Sovereign of the UNMC, the attacks on our checkpoint will no long be tolerated and we will bringing backup shortly, this is your last chance to lay down your weapons and leave or you will be annihilated" then roll out the APC.

 

[Sovereign]

Sorry, I meant you could say something like this in a global message "This is Cmdr Sovereign of the UNMC, the attacks on our checkpoint will no long be tolerated and we will bringing backup shortly, this is your last chance to lay down your weapons and leave or you will be annihilated" then roll out the APC.

That would allow that vehicle to be brought out if we had it.(I do not want it.) It STILL does not change anything on the VDM rules though. If the APC blew up the truck like I've said before and someone died it would still be VDM and if it tried to nudge the truck and it exploded it would still be VDM. It changes nothing.  We've already had a member banned for trying to nudge a truck out of the way with a strider carefully with several nudges,but because this is Arma it exploded. 

 

[Shivers]

Why not Allow the UNMC the permission to destroy vehicles and or people within the UNMC area who should not be there, and anyone that complains can only file for compensation. 

That way, you can nail rounds down, and anyone that is risking it, HAS to provide screenshots of gear, and vehicle contents, if they are killed by VDM,

If my gang were to take it over and the UNMC failed to remove us with RP, and a big gun fight happened and a vehicle blew up and kill me then so be it, no need b1tch over it.  Prity simples!

 

[Sovereign]

Why not Allow the UNMC the permission to destroy vehicles and or people within the UNMC area who should not be there, and anyone that complains can only file for compensation. 

That way, you can nail rounds down, and anyone that is risking it, HAS to provide screenshots of gear, and vehicle contents, if they are killed by VDM,

If my gang were to take it over and the UNMC failed to remove us with RP, and a big gun fight happened and a vehicle blew up and kill me then so be it, no need b1tch over it.  Prity simples!

Because it is still a server rule and one of our members has been banned for it. Unless the boardroom changes the rule,then it is still in effect. 

Comp is more work for admins and is not responded to quickly. Additionally as cruel as it may sound even if you are ok with having your vehicle detonated and dying from it, it is still a server rule until it is stated otherwise and people will abide by it and report it making it irrelevant and more work.

 

[Sovereign]

Maybe this rule should be relaxed a little assuming such a scenario occurs...?

The scenario occurs often,because without it we take the checkpoint back much quicker. That is why we are having this discussion,because this is the tactic being used as they noticed they can hold it longer due to server rules about removing trucks blocking the checkpoint. This thread is to ask for alternatives and get a feel for how the public would respond to changes.

 

[Shivers]

Ill bring it up at the gang meeting tommorow with Kris, seems silly too be held up by pathetic children bitching because 5 minutes worth of gear was lost becuase they died. I will bring this up tommorow.

 

[Sovereign]

Ill bring it up at the gang meeting tommorow with Kris, seems silly too be held up by pathetic children bitching because 5 minutes worth of gear was lost becuase they died. I will bring this up tommorow.

I do not think you understand the situation. Dying isn't an issue,removing people from the checkpoint who with a physical rule protected obstacle is. PLF is also not one of the problem gangs btw.

 

[Daze Berghain]

What about UNMC camping gang spawn or attacking rebel base at the respawn or when we are busy to do some score and Rebels having to ask a letter from the mayor to attack UNMC base?

"as for whats fair or unfair you have to remember we are the armed forces not a rebel group so our weaponry is always going to be stronger and more efficient its like saying there should be no war in afghanistan as the taliban dont have the sophistacated weaponry the allied forces have so it isnt fair"

As you said we are rebels so fast strike attack and ambush is obviously what we are meant to do.

By the way my point of view is one and only, I personally do not care about money so I don't care if UNMC are at war with me, the only reason you do not disapear is because you guys have the weed processing and a drug dealer.

Their is no reason for you to exist as you do not offer more than cops but an execution in the pit.

I did not say anything about UNMC working with the Police by the way.

 

[joris]

By the way my point of view is one and only, I personally do not care about money so I don't care if UNMC are at war with me, the only reason you do not disapear is because you guys have the weed processing and a drug dealer.

Their is no reason for you to exist as you do not offer more than cops but an execution in the pit.

I did not say anything about UNMC working with the Police by the way.

Whats your point of a rebel existing?

The people don't need to pass trough our territory, they do so on free will there are plenty of activities to do if you want to avoid UNMC groups. If we didn't have a drug dealer and a weed processing like you said we would still exist money isn't the essence we thrive on and some members do drug and salt runs if they are low on funds.

And yeah we can't stop every robbery but we make sure nobody gets away with robbing or killing in our territory.