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Suggestion: No gunfights in Hospitals

Anne McGee

Anne McGee

Los Santos NHS
Los Santos NHS
Los Santos Firefighter
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Netherlands
Hello everyone,

I don't know if this has been suggested before but as incidents like these seem to happen more often now i will suggest it anyways.


I would like to suggest we BAN shooting in the hospitals.
this is for the people working for the nhs, it's mentally quite tiresome to give medical RP to people but very fuffiling, BUT when we are walking around the hospital, bringing in patients, trying to provide quality RP during example a surgery or maternity/medical appointment and we suddenly get caught in shotfire or have to evacuate the hospital this fully destroys our RP chances.

We can't continue an operation when people get shot in the hospital meaning the patient dies,
we can't station safely at the hospital cause we risk getting shot,
people suddenly get their appointments cut short due to the fight,
We can't bring people to the hospital when they need to so we can't provide them with decent care as suggesting we drive them to sandy or paleto they refuse care as it takes too long and we are forced to give them poor RP quality to get them back up and running.

The hospital is not an arena, we are not a shooting range and this all makes it very unmotivating for people to work for the NHS.

this is not targeted towards any specific person/group but meant to anyone that thinks using the hospital as a battle ground is a decent thing to do. this server is not made only for gangs and cops, so be fare and give everyone in this server their respective area to RP in, move it to the street, parking lot, roof for all I care but don't start shit inside the hospital.
 
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Whilst +1 I agree, it would also introduce the idea that the hospital is a "safe zone" where people can hide & abuse the fact that it's a "greenzone". If this could be countered I'd be all for it.
 
So, a few comments. Green zone's were a big thing in Arma (Shoutout to the Kavala Hobos). This is a very old idea for a modern problem. I do not disagree with you trying to conduct serious RP and it's being interrupted with by gun fights for relatively no reason other than "on sight" beef. I do want to remind you this exists.

(G6) Emergency Buildings
Loitering around emergency buildings (Police Stations, Fire Stations and Hospitals) without a valid roleplay story is not allowed.

If people are fighting for seemingly no reason, they'd be in violation of this rule, and I encourage you to reach out to staff in OOC or put in a report. The Green zones were nice but had a host of issues that came with them.
 
Gordon2 said:
So, a few comments. Green zone's were a big thing in Arma (Shoutout to the Kavala Hobos). This is a very old idea for a modern problem. I do not disagree with you trying to conduct serious RP and it's being interrupted with by gun fights for relatively no reason other than "on sight" beef. I do want to remind you this exists.

(G6) Emergency Buildings
Loitering around emergency buildings (Police Stations, Fire Stations and Hospitals) without a valid roleplay story is not allowed.

If people are fighting for seemingly no reason, they'd be in violation of this rule, and I encourage you to reach out to staff in OOC or put in a report. The Green zones were nice but had a host of issues that came with them.
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In the recent incidents it would have been gangs shooting people in hospitals be it other gangs or people that gotten into arguments, would this also fall under Rule G6 or would this be a loophole?


Thank you for the quick response! <3
 
Anne McGee said:
In the recent incidents it would have been gangs shooting people in hospitals be it other gangs or people that gotten into arguments, would this also fall under Rule G6 or would this be a loophole?


Thank you for the quick response! <3
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If people are going to the hospital solely for fighting, then that comes under not only G6 but other rules. The end goal is to allow roleplay situations to be as fluid and dynamic as possible which is a reason why green zones aren't explicitly hardcoded into the game or rules. If you feel like a group is solely at the hospital looking for a fight or has no valid roleplay reason to be there or a very weak reason then address it in roleplay first to see if they will willingly leave but if they don't then I would say you're within full purview to involve staff at that point.
 
Wanting a green zone over pillbox? id rather not. If people cant behave inside of hospitals then they should be reported for which ever rule they broke, but the idea of green zones is a massive no from me

If they didn't break rules in pillbox and instead just shot as this suggestion shows then it should be dealt with in game, since June 2023 police have had more powers to prevent shootings in places such as pillbox and imo it should be kept that way so its all in roleplay. i.e. Jimmy shoots up pillbox at 3am, once caught the police wont give him any wiggle room and it will be all dealt with IN GAME, there shouldn't be a rule added which people may just abuse
 
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I believe this is an RP issue and we dont have to create a new server rule to ban shooting in hospitals/ create a greenzone. I'll try and make it simple and easy to understand :

  • We are in a city of crime. The place is riddled with gangs left right centre. Everyone is aware of this, including NHS who regularly tend to gangs and gunshot wounds.
  • Pillbox is guarded by G6 everyday for this reason. A shooting ban or something similar will remove this interaction. Theoretically there should be no guns in Pillbox because of the security guards, but if its still a problem then someone needs to go talk to G6.
  • Pillbox is very close to PD. Police can come immediately if a crime occurs at the hospital.
  • There are security cameras in Pillbox. Police can detain the people involved with evidence. Placing a weapon ban/ greenzone will remove this interaction.
  • The problems that was outlined (Cannot continue operations, cant do appointments, cant bring people to hospital) is infact the result of crime occuring. Yes NHS cannot do anything do deal with this, but this is exactly why G6 and Police are on the server, to prevent/ deal with crime.
  • As stated in the rules, if there isnt a good reason for being at Pillbox, people will be punished for it. If people just come and shoot for no reason, thats RDM. Im sure there are already plenty of rules that make sure good roleplay happens, and if it isnt then people can easily put up a report/ ticket.
It will be a -1 from me. I understand being on the receiving end of a crime is very frustrating, but its the nature of the server. Same as things like "Im always getting robbed, police arent doing anything" etc. Sometimes crime is successful, sometimes it gets prevented. But at the end of the day, there are so many options to prevent/deal with a shootout at Pillbox in RP, people just need to utilize it.
 
No from me. Adding "green zones" to FiveM would do more bad than good and they'd get abused to fuck. As an alternative i'd just suggest harsher punishments in RP (which had already happened with triple sentences being given for crimes committed in pillbox).
 
as nice as a green zone may sound they are also a pain as people will try and either run to them for a defence or people will loiter inside it but taunt people outside it and be like well I'm on this side of the line so you cant kill me then when they get shot anyway it will end up in reports

you can say in a fight you cant escape to it but then there will be reports of he ran into that area so we couldn't follow and killed off the RP and need to watch players to make sure they don't abuse it

there was the recent change of any crime on pillbox grounds means a 3x sentence and usually means the hospital goes into lockdown but then the NHS get a fuck tonne of abuse of why cant i come in this is BS your a hospital

all i unfortunately see this doing is causing more reports to appear and more kicks from staff for people loitering there for safety

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honestly the only real way i see the situation with gunfights in pillbox is that gang leads need to do the role they are expected to do with upholding the standards of RP and gameplay within their groups and enforcing punishment against their members who continue to do things like this, i don't believe any real gang leads would be cool with storming a hospital to murder another group inside it, should be if a gang lead hears that their members are doing this they should penalise them, shoot-up the hospital cool you now owe the NHS 200k for damages and you get a mark against you, piss about to much your out, i know this wouldn't happen as all gangs are large groups of mates who don't want to upset each other, unless staff want to make it so that the gang leads need to be more strict on their own ? at the moment i think the LOST and TFA might be the only ones who enforce rules and restrictions stupidity of their members

i know its a rant of a reply but yea don't vote for a green zone vote for leads to take responsibility for their members doing stupid things
 
I would like to clarify i'm not asking for a Green Zone, my suggestion was only for the shooting of guns, fights in general with any other weapon i did not mean, neither did i suggest it as a safe zone to escape to. only meant the shooting of a gun, i do not like the idea of a complete green zone either.
 
Lucyy said:
it would also introduce the idea that the hospital is a "safe zone" where people can hide & abuse the fact that it's a "greenzone". If this could be countered I'd be all for it.
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easy, add a Gx.1 stating "fleeing into hospital to avoid getting shot is blah blah blah" and so on


don't think we should not allow shooting in pillbox tho, i'd prefer gangs not shooting in pillbox, most repeat offenders(that i'm aware of) have been rather quickly "goverment" raided or raided by police with assistance of goverment(in evidence or boots on the ground, or both)
 
I think certain gangs should just use some common sense and stop having shootouts in the most stupid areas, for example a hospital That's in the centre of the whole city... If you need to defend yourself then fair enough but coming to the hospital on purpose to start shootouts just makes ZERO sense to me.

I don't like the idea of "Safe Zones" or "Green Zones" cause they can create more problems then solve, People should be allowed to be somewhat violent at Pillbox that's what Police and G6 are for, But completely removing the ability to do crime at pillbox is something I wouldn't like to see.
 
I understand where you're coming from, but a green zone no. But yes, in RP sentances. Let's be real if guns were shot in any hospital in the UK, it would be all over the news. It would be treated as a terrorist attack whether there were gangs or not. The CTSFOs would be there along with loads of police and G6. If anyone gets cought in RP doing this the normal gunfight charges should be 10x that. We have become desensitised to gun fights pretty much anywhere.
 
Nikki Nixon said:
I understand where you're coming from, but a green zone no. But yes, in RP sentances. Let's be real if guns were shot in any hospital in the UK, it would be all over the news. It would be treated as a terrorist attack whether there were gangs or not. The CTSFOs would be there along with loads of police and G6. If anyone gets cought in RP doing this the normal gunfight charges should be 10x that. We have become desensitised to gun fights pretty much anywhere.
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I love your idea of making the gunfight charges higher as to motivate the shooters to move the location elsewhere!
 
Anne McGee said:
I love your idea of making the gunfight charges higher as to motivate the shooters to move the location elsewhere!
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if going from 1x to 3x did not bother them i don't think it will bother them bumping it more plus it cant go to high as going to prison had to also be fair on the player so they dont spend unenjoyable amounts of time inside
 
Samuel Shire said:
if going from 1x to 3x did not bother them i don't think it will bother them bumping it more plus it cant go to high as going to prison had to also be fair on the player so they dont spend unenjoyable amounts of time inside
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But most crims just log off when they are in prison then come back once the sentence is finished. So 10x wouldn't bother them anyway. Just means they will be playing another game for an extra day.

In regards to the idea as a whole there are ways of dealing with it in city. Extended sentence would only have an impact of people had to be online to serve their time.
 
Ultimately, this is a roleplay issue that must be solved in the same realm. There have been plenty of steps to minimise gun crime at Pillbox, and if that still isn't working, then new and likely harsher policies will be implemented until the issue is resolved. I completely understand and agree that gangs/groups/individuals having fights at Pillbox is silly and shouldn't be done, but if they want to take the risk in fighting there, they can take the punishment that comes with it.

I also understand it's demotivating for NHS workers, but unfortunately, it's one of those 'it is what it is' situations. You have to work past it, either working toward a solution (In liaison with the police/NHS command/judiciary etc.) or ignoring it and moving on.

Creating a de-facto 'greenzone' isn't the way forward. And then as Gordon kindly mentioned, if they're loitering around and breaching G6, that's a separate OOC (Rules) issue that should be reported in OOC chat or by other means to the staff team.
 
ask your command to speak to court im sure with nhs backing Courts can look at some suitable ways to deal with repeat offenders
 
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