State of Roleplay on FiveM

[AlfredW]

I wanted to start off with saying that I’m a big fan of FiveM and I think it is great that RPUK has made its way onto that scene as well. The Devs have done great work and are continuing on doing so and so is Staff. I say this because in this post I may come across as quite negative and critical, but I want it to be clear that this comes from a place of wanting the server to improve and I hope my perspective can in some way help with that. So onto the state of Roleplay on FiveM. 

At the moment there are 2 groups of players that play a part in significantly bringing the quality of roleplay of the server. The first group of player are the Scripters, RDMers, RVDMers; people who clearly are not on the server with the intention of staying to progress but simply to ruin everyone else’s day. 

The second group are the “Altis Imports”, this group largely consists of long-term community members who come from Altis Life, but the group has recently grown with the influx of new players. These people are the ones who constantly fail to act in an even somewhat believable/realistic manner and instead act as if this was Altis Life. The mentality of a lot of these people is so incredibly far of from what makes for a good FiveM RP experience. What they typically spend their time doing, instead of roleplaying, is...

• Trolling
  
• (G1.3) Baiting (mainly cops)
  
• (G1.8) Fail Driving
  
• (G2.4) Failing to Value Life
  

So the first group, the Scripters, RDMers, RVDMers, Staff seem to be dealing with as fast as they can and to the extent they can. That doesn’t mean it will never happen but it is hopefully something that calms down with time as more people get dealt with and banned.

Its the second group of players, the “Altis Imports”, that I think are the most problematic as they are the people interrupting and hindering RP the most. Things like doing donuts around police and screaming “Pigs” as the police are trying to set up a cordon and negotiate for a bank robbery. It doesn’t only make the polices experience horrible but also anyone who tries to create genuinely interesting scenarios with the police, be that as a civilian new reporter, a criminal robbing a bank, or a medic tending to wounded. 

These are the people that need to be dealt with, and this far don't seem like there has been a lot done. I'm not a member of staff so my input here is limited but I think giving out temp bans is a good way for Staff to put there foot down and show some of these players that there is a difference between Altis Life and FiveM.

But I’ve still had some great RP with lots of different people so to end this on a more positive note I thought I’d give some of those people some credit for making all the other bullshit worthwhile:

@George Harris and his lads, the Downtown Cab Co (@JoshuaN & @Lube with more), The Lost MC (@Charles Vane, @Dentibus with more), Los Santos Police, and many more.

I'm really interested in hearing other community members take on this but based on some discord conversations I don't think I'm completely alone in my opinion.

 

[Hammie]

Doesn't help when people see a certain gang and just straight up attack them  

 

[Joshua]

I agree totally with what’s being stated here, the second point hits home with me. From the start it’s clear to me that 5M is structured to be much more role play based than Altis life.  The ingame phone for example, is a great indicator that 5M RPUK is setup for advanced role play. Yet the Altis mindset still takes precedent and I feel people sometimes fail to realise that they are infact in GTARP not Altis life. 
 

Thus far my RP interactions have been limited to the police, NHS and a couple of friendly faces like @Alfred Wilson and his boys. It’s a shame and I have no idea how to fix this Altis mentality on GTARP. Maybe overtime the Altis mentality will go away after all GTARP is still growing in popularity, or maybe there is a different answer. 
 

Like Alfred, I’m interested to hear other people’s take on this. 

 

[Robbie]

You do make some good points, some people who have moved over from Altis to FiveM most likely do still have the "rebel" character in them, I'd say the RP currently is going through a transition period in my opinion, it will take time for people to reeducate themselves from being a rebel to a criminal I don't expect that to happen instantly as people are used to "rebel life" it will take time but i'm quite positive the RP on the server will become much much better given enough time as people will eventually learn that the standard of RP on FiveM is much different as there is a much wider availability when it comes to character RP. 

 

[Yello]

Yeah - agree with pretty much everything here. 95% of the players on this at the moment are from Arma, and I think it might take a while for a lot of people to merge their RP from a shit arma view, back to the high quality RP we used to see back in '17. 

 

[Jolly]

the “Altis Imports”, that I think are the most problematic as they are the people interrupting and hindering RP the most. Things like doing donuts around police and screaming “Pigs” as the police are trying to set up a cordon and negotiate for a bank robbery. It doesn’t only make the polices experience horrible but also anyone who tries to create genuinely interesting scenarios with the police, be that as a civilian new reporter, a criminal robbing a bank, or a medic tending to wounded.

By 'Altis Imports' I assume you mean people from the Arma 3 community? It's a little unfair to brand everyone who comes from Arma 3 as people who interrupt RP. It's quite the generalisation when in reality, that's only a fairly small group of players. 

 

[Yello]

However- I have seen like 200000x more RP on FiveM in one week than ive seen in the last year in Arma. 

 

[TinyBigJacko]

Good post, but I would be very wary of classing all the bad RPers as 'Altis Imports'. Pretty much all of the good RPers you've mentioned **are** Altis Imports; they're just not trolls or dickheads. And it's fair to say that there are a number of 'GTA-FIVEM Community Imports' who are hugely bigger trolls than anything we've ever seen on Altis (and there does seem to be a large number of such types in the FiveM world who believe **all** FiveM servers are just there to be abused, with no serious RP whatsover).

So, while I agree with the **effects** of some of what you say, I don't fully agree with your classifications of all of them. 

And be assured we are doing our utmost to train staff and get new people on board to help with the server. If you'd like to add your input into that process more deeply, and perhaps even aim to be a part of it, do feel free to pop in a staff application. We're always in the market for quality people with a level head and a sense of fair play.

 

[AlfredW]

By 'Altis Imports' I assume you mean people from the Arma 3 community? It's a little unfiar to brand everyone who comes from Arma 3 as people who interrupt RP. It's quite the generalisation when in reality, that's only a fairly small group of players. 

If that is the way it came across that wasn't meant. My point is that a lot of long time Arma players are struggling to adjust or aren't interested in adjusting. That does not mean everyone or even a majority, but a large enough part that it really affects RP. 

 

[Simen]

By 'Altis Imports' I assume you mean people from the Arma 3 community? It's a little unfiar to brand everyone who comes from Arma 3 as people who interrupt RP. It's quite the generalisation when in reality, that's only a fairly small group of players. 

I think everyone understood its not all of people form altis that are trollers, but alot of the trollers are from altis non the less.
People need to get the mindset that, either they go on fivem to roleplay with people, or to not log on.

But like Felix, So much more RP has been done on FiveM compared to Arma. (And Ive enjoyed it a helluva lot more than I have whilst playing arma the past year or two).

 

[MacDonald]

Good points. But at the end of the day it is a video game, people play to have fun. For some that may involve acting ultra realistically, but for many this involves doing things you wouldnt do normally. 

Big +1 to more enjoyable rp and less cop annoyance although I feel the cops dont really help themselves. When I am pulled over most of the time I get hard stopped and threatened with a tazer right away so I just drive off. It got to the point where I just got annoyed with the constant force and handed myself in only to need to hand a baseball bat over and be on my way. If they did that in the first place it would have been easier.

Big -1 to whining about realism. If its that important maybe try going outside I heard its quite realistic. Personally I didnt find it fun when "someone" came up to me complaning that my helicopter wasnt landed in a realistic enough area but hey ho. 

 

[Mike Polo]

Good points. But at the end of the day it is a video game, people play to have fun. For some that may involve acting ultra realistically, but for many this involves doing things you wouldnt do normally. 

Big +1 to more enjoyable rp and less cop annoyance although I feel the cops dont really help themselves. When I am pulled over most of the time I get hard stopped and threatened with a tazer right away so I just drive off. It got to the point where I just got annoyed with the constant force and handed myself in only to need to hand a baseball bat over and be on my way. If they did that in the first place it would have been easier.

Big -1 to whining about realism. If its that important maybe try going outside I heard its quite realistic. Personally I didnt find it fun when "someone" came up to me complaning that my helicopter wasnt landed in a realistic enough area but hey ho. 

I disagree with your points, if your going to be a "rebel" character you are going to be met with force from the police wither you like it or not. but you can avoid it by being stealthy / covert. or you could RP as a more legal character and enjoy the company of others / the legal runs and jobs fivem can provide.

as for the Whining about realism, this is an RP server so you need to have some level of realism as the base but using role play you expand and build on top what is provided to you by others to create fun situations!

idk the specifics of where you landed your helicopter but if you land it somewhere stupid most people will comment.  if you dont like it land your helicopter in a appropriate spot.  this happens in real life too 

RP allows someone to play the part of someone else! your RP shouldn't be focused on who you can shoot and bother its about being in the moment and engaging with others.

 

[MacDonald]

as for the Whining about realism, this is an RP server so you need to have some level of realism as the base but using role play you expand and build on top what is provided to you by others to create fun situations!

Of course. You need a certain level of realism for any RP to make sense and for balance. But to force people to behave in an entirely realistic manner is just boring and restrictive. 

The helicopter was landed safetly ontop of a car park. Seems reasonable to me. Ive seen videos of helicopters landing in residential streets.

 

[Stealthee]

Initially want to say thank you for constructing a constructive feedback post and not just complaining.

My 2 cents and my experience from all sides, I'll add bits and bobs on at the end as well! Yes I think there is a certain mentality carried across from Altis for a lot of players but that I think to some extent is understandable, Altis/Arma players roleplay has been primarily about gunfights and "action" it always has been, that is just the premise of the game, so for those who haven't played with such an open engine such as the RAGE Engine / FiveM.

Roleplay is something this community is built on, it is now literally the domain name! We have a long way to go on GTA and we are just getting started, so yes as the population increases new issues arrise which we as a community and development team have never dealt with before. We could of launched a whitelisted server and enforced strict measures but this isn't somewhere I want the server to go initially.

Gangs in San Andreas will always be a thing, however we do have to take some responsiblity(Those in the gangs & other scenarios) to ensure that the roleplay standard is upheld. I haven''t played much as a player, I'd love to but there is way to much to do. However when I have played, it shows some issues and reinforces the feedback I am getting, I'm in the process of sorting and juggling lots of different things.

Moving forwards, you will start to see in the next update a few more legal jobs and a proper framework for civilian jobs, we will be in the short furure be doing jobs (Currently listed but not set in stone, Weazel News, Quarryman, Binman, Mechanic, Taxi/Transport Services, Delivery etc etc) We have a few ESX scripts which handle a sub set of these at the minute, some are better than others. Next update there is new delivery job stuff, to make the food delivery & fuel delivery more engaging/rewarding.

The grind, I read you but please trust me when I say I'm looking at it, and in the next update process batching for "grindy" stuff like cocaine, weed, meth, mining etc is done. Stuff takes time and we have a small team. When someone links a script or a native, whilst it does help us understand your trail of thought, A LOT of scripts within the FiveM community are poorly optimised, don't work, are filled with gaps so we are having to rewrite 90% of community/FM stuff to meet our needs as a server.

Skiddies & Illegal clients, it hasn't gone unnoticed FiveM has a lot more skiddies than Arma, we didn't quite anticipate how many but we are silently banning loads of clients for illegal menus and illegal injections behind the scenes which the people may never see on the server in chat. As they keep attacking with their menus we build that wall higher and higher, as the collective framework develops and progresses the options for skiddies becomes less and less, so this will get better. But the current state is simply due to how open the FiveM framework is, so in some terms it is a god send, in other terms it is a nightmare. We are working on this actively but for all public servers this is an issue. We will get there but in time.

VDM / RVDM / Unrealistic driving, this is something I don't like rules wise personally but I understand why it is there (NOTE: this is my opinion) I don't believe in 900x rules for every single situation, but in the next few updates we will be seeing realistic vehicle damage and failure being implemented. What does this mean? It means you can not just ram into 500 walls without consiquence, your car will start to fail. You will need to call a mechanic, so this stops reckless driving, but awards those in chases who are truly good drivers. There will be excemptions for events and designated locations such as race tracks etc...

Weapons, too easy to come across and I am not happy how they work. Coming releases the weapons market will be completely player driven, you can only buy what has been manufactured. I hate weapons just popping into existance because it is just another server transaction shop. Any suggestions on this please let me know @PMs

Everyone is here to roleplay (I hope), whether that be a corrupt police officer, the king of the highways, a car shop owner setting up a business empire, or a gang with affiliation to all sorts of drug dealing. Everyones roleplay should be accepted as long as it doesn't ruin other roleplay. So yes beef between gangs WILL happen. As the police grow stronger and stronger under the new core and the new command I hope they will be a force to be reckoned with because it is the police!

The AI and locals do add so much randomness and gives the city life! Like the one who walked into our bank robbery so we took him hostage and he hid in the plant in the corner for 20 minutes!

Edit: Oh and FPS = Dodgy ESX scripts... I have fixed this on next update!

Any questions my PMs  are always open, I do read them! I may forget to respond sometimes but I read them!

Stealthee

 

[AlfredW]

Personally I didnt find it fun when "someone" came up to me complaning that my helicopter wasnt landed in a realistic enough area but hey ho. 

I've got no clue if your aware but that was me who approached you about landing your helicopter the way you did. But the landing wasn't the worst part, it was the low flying around Legion Square and landing on top of police cars that really frustrated me. 

 

[Hammie]

Quarryman

Oi oi lets go ⛏ 

 

[Gray]

Oi oi lets go ⛏ 

shortly you can RP your real job like me... 

 

[jaxteller]

I mean, I am also from ArmA, but it ain’t that hard to value your life if someone point a gun at your head instead of being a big boy and pull a uzi out and killing them, so you can tell your friends “you’re a god”

 

[Anonymous Eagle]

What i love is that the vast Majority have taken to gta and gone to town with it, theres gangs and crews set up in most parts of los santos and ive had nothing but good interactions with them and cant fault them and i've already seen some characters having flaws (like Mavericks Gambling addiction) and when the features become more fleshed out i hope its only going to be amazing  (would love a rival mc group though)

but it is the very very few that are most vocal that is annoying me the most,  i can understand needing time to adjust but surely after the 4th or 5th time of being killed because (and i am saying this as nicely as i can) you acted like an absolute C*nt and somehow feel you dont deserve your commupance because of it gets old and it gets old fast be it knocking lost bikes over on purpose, just shouting pigs at cops, surronding people and just spam punching them with the smallest amount of rp to justify why you are doing it or just walking up to someones car and just jumping in and driving off and this is just my grumpy old man part this weird passion people have with talking like a roadman (atleast thats what i assume it is)

I dont record gameplay anymore because quite frankly its a chore to cut videos and upload them over a game and i shouldnt have to but if the same few keep doing the same stuff i have absolutley no qualms with reporting them because i do not know them and they haven't exactly given me a shining impression