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So when can I start shooting?

RobG

RobG

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The title sounds more aggressive than I'm intending, but it's basically the gist of it. So far I've been the victim mostly, but I'd still like to clear things up.

Just out of curiosity. I don't want to RDM, but I'd also like to know what I have to wait for in order to shoot.

Example 1: Somebody comes up behind me and says "This is a robbery!" and I react quickly, turning around and firing at them. Acceptable?

Example 2: I come up behind somebody (while they have a gun drawn) and say "Don't turn around or I'll shoot" and they turn around. Is it justifiable to shoot them because they aimed at me, or because I perceived that they would be aiming at me?

I'm just not sure how to approach these situations. It seems like that since RP needs to be initiated, it gives the victim a lot of time to react, since the aggressor needs to be able to watch and judge their victim's actions before firing. In example 2, what if my mic was coming across poorly and they just looked to see who was talking to them? Or if it was just a reflex to a sound, and they didn't process the threat/warning yet? From their point of view, it might be *garble garble garble* BANG (dead).

Thanks!

 
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Norman Stansfield said:
I would say in both of those circumstances it would be deemed acceptable to shoot, albeit not the best RP.
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And on time limits?

Yesterday I was hijacked by a group of bandits while I was repairing my truck. I heard 'this is a robbery' and kept facing my truck, trying to cancel the repair animation and holster my pistol. Within 5 seconds I was shot because I didn't put the gun away fast enough, even though I kept facing the truck and never tried to face or aim at anybody.

I can understand a robber being twitchy on something like this, so is what happened there straddling the line on RDM or is it acceptable RP? Not reporting, just wondering if this is a legitimate way to hold somebody up or if they jumped the gun and I *definitely* shouldn't do something like that to another player.

 
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Example 2: I come up behind somebody (while they have a gun drawn) and say "Don't turn around or I'll shoot" and they turn around. Is it justifiable to shoot them because they aimed at me, or because I perceived that they would be aiming at me?

that will get u banned. seen it be4 dude yels don't turn around the dude turns and he dies. its so bad rp that is sound not be on the server.

 
amdisen said:
Example 2: I come up behind somebody (while they have a gun drawn) and say "Don't turn around or I'll shoot" and they turn around. Is it justifiable to shoot them because they aimed at me, or because I perceived that they would be aiming at me?

that will get u banned. seen it be4 dude yels don't turn around the dude turns and he dies. its so bad rp that is sound not be on the server.
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Then it'll be very tough to rob somebody who's holding a gun, because if they can turn and face you after a warning (with no repercussions) they can also fire first. And at close/med range, whoever fires first wins.

 
If someone threatens you knocks you out, tells you to drop your weapon etc, you can shoot them.

 
There is no hard and fast rules here, they are open to interpretation, you will need to use common sense, my advice is if YOU feel confident you've done the right thing, given them enough time, said it enough times etc. and you've recorded (you are recording right?) then proceed as you are.

 
amdisen said:
Example 2: I come up behind somebody (while they have a gun drawn) and say "Don't turn around or I'll shoot" and they turn around. Is it justifiable to shoot them because they aimed at me, or because I perceived that they would be aiming at me?

that will get u banned. seen it be4 dude yels don't turn around the dude turns and he dies. its so bad rp that is sound not be on the server.
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I don't quite get how that's bad RP to be honest. You point a gun at someone that has a gun out and you tell him "Don't turn around, just holster the gun and put your hands up", now if he turns around without lowering the gun first, that obviously means that he's gonna try and shoot you.

 
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Norman Stansfield said:
There is no hard and fast rules here, they are open to interpretation, you will need to use common sense, my advice is if YOU feel confident you've done the right thing, given them enough time, said it enough times etc. and you've recorded (you are recording right?) then proceed as you are.
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Frankly my confidence in what is realistic might not be acceptable. There are situations where it might be 'realistic' to RDM - let's say a friend and you are transporting drugs and notice a truck following you. You take a few random turns to verify, they're still behind you. Drop your friend off around a corner real quick and keep going, and he opens up on the truck when it comes around the bend.

Alternatively a rival gang sets up a road block that you need to pass a convoy through (and let's say there's a time limit, like the server is coming down in short enough order where you can't detour - equivalent to a strict deadline in character). Realistically, you could drop a guy at the top of a hill, snipe those you can and pin down the rest, then run the convoy through. But without initiating RP... that might be RDM.

That might be realistic in a 'real world' sense of a fairly lawless land with drug runners and armed thieves, but I understand that it could be viewed as RDM here (and as such wouldn't do it).

 
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What do you expect "it'll be very tough to rob somebody who's holding a gun" that's kind of the entire reason some people carry a gun to make them a little less of a target.

During a robbery there is an inherit risk which increases substantially when the victim is also carrying a gun.

 
steven2805 said:
What do you expect "it'll be very tough to rob somebody who's holding a gun" that's kind of the entire reason some people carry a gun to make them a little less of a target.

During a robbery there is an inherit risk which increases substantially when the victim is also carrying a gun.
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Absolutely, but if you need to wait for their response while holding somebody up, it gives them the advantage when in most real life cases, the guy holding the gun to your back has the advantage... even if you're holding a gun yourself.

 
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RobG said:
Frankly my confidence in what is realistic might not be acceptable. There are situations where it might be 'realistic' to RDM - let's say a friend and you are transporting drugs and notice a truck following you. You take a few random turns to verify, they're still behind you. Drop your friend off around a corner real quick and keep going, and he opens up on the truck when it comes around the bend.

That might be realistic in a 'real world' sense of a fairly lawless land with drug runners and armed thieves, but I understand that it could be viewed as RDM here (and as such wouldn't do it).
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In your example you clearly believe that if you had done that it would be considered RDM, I would too. (See the common ground here?)

Unless you want to sign a contract before playing we have to use common sense in the interpretation of the rules, you need to look at your actions, think back through the situation, think from an outsiders perspective, most people have a good idea of what's a fair warning/chance and what's not more often than not you'll know what's right and what isn't, make sure you keep your evidence/recordings and be honest and approachable, if you feel you made a mistake, talk with the other player. At the end of the day this a game we are here to enjoy not a bunch of lawyers arguing over a case.

 
Once you tell them to drop their weapon RP has been initiated. Either party is then able to shoot. This is because there has been some sort of RP.

 
Jimmyy said:
Once you tell them to drop their weapon RP has been initiated. Either party is then able to shoot. This is because there has been some sort of RP.
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Although this is true, its also frankly boring as shit and should not be considered a good example of ALUK role play.

 
Well, after playing for quite a bit the past couple days, it seems that the difference between RDM and 'RP' here is shouting at somebody to stop, waiting about 1 second, and then killing them.

Happened at least ~5-10 times that I witnessed personally. I watched a few people drive around in a truck killing a bunch of civilians, using the faintest pretense so they would 'technically' not be breaking the letter of the law. I got fed up finally, watched them murder another civilian, and I took one of them out. Immediately they demanded comp and threatened to report me, and I told them to report me.

It feels like they're using 'RP' as a shield. As long as they initiate (however briefly), they're 'roleplaying' and can kill somebody. But if anybody else shows up to intrude on their rampage? It's RDM.

Frankly I don't see much of a difference between sniping somebody from a kilometer and that. Factoring the time it takes for somebody to realize they've been approached, figure out where they're coming from, stop an animation or action, and holster your weapon... you can justify RDM'ng almost anybody you want here.

So in short, to avoid RDM, just inform your victim that they're about to die. That constitutes initiating RP, and then you're free to do what you want.

Meh.

 
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@RobG - Ask yourself the question:

"Could they/I have died in a situation like this?" If the anwser is yes, then it's not RDM.

Example:

You are robbing someone, you engaged RP and can therefor be killed without it being classed as RDM.

I have also seen some people killing someone without giving them time to comply. Just report them(Try to resolve it first) and don't lower yourself to that level. Keep up roleplaying everything and you'll be fine.

 
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In situation 1, i have seen some people respond it is bad rp. I do not think it is. If I have a gun, and I am a badass who knows how to use it, and you try to rob me I might just see a chance to draw on you and shoot.

I have been in incidents like this myself where I was accused of RDM, but it was never classed as such by an admin.

example:

I am standing on the street with a friend, he is not in the same gang so people cannot metagame the fact we are together. We stand about 3 meters away from eachother, my friend is talking to some random guy. Random guy turns his back to me, pulls out a pistol and tries to rob my friend. I pull out my pistol and shoot him in the back of the head with no warning. He cries RDM, but it's just crying. He tried to rob someone, didnt take into account this person had a friend, the risk he took willingly backfired on him and got him killed.

 
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