Shit RP

[Kaden]

@KadenGood backlash? Naah it happens every 3 months or so, some random cop starts complaining alongside others because they keep dying in gunfights... Nothing really new in his posts to be honest.

I know but rebels are for sure to comment and roast him and cops now. just the way it goes nowadays

 

[LewisJones]

In my eyes it looks like a econemy wipe would help RP be revived on this server for example I got better RP on tanoa from the same people I would try and RP with on altis and hear the same old "Hands up or die", and that was caused by them not having a 8 digit bank acount to go and re-gear every time they die. I personaly would love a econemy wipe but as we have seen this does not look like it will happen any time soon as people like using there guns and not words.

 

[FergusW]

we don't RDM

Hmm, I think you do! Many people have been banned for RDM being a Civ. If you don't RDM, or not RP, or VDM, why was this topic opened in the first place, and why is there video  evidence showing that you do RDM, and people getting banned for it.
 
 

You opened yourself to a good backlash now

Good, it is something I feel strong about, haters are gonna hate. I don't think what I said was wrong, however some will. It is my view, which can be accepted. I really don't care if there is a backlash towards me.

some random cop starts complaining alongside others because they keep dying in gunfights...

If you are refering to me and others, it isn't because of that, it is because some people just RDM. We are fine with dying in gunfights, sure, we may get a bit sad, however we take it on the chin, respawn in a different place and carry on with duties as normal. 

 

[Entropy]

@SPC Gurlanin

Did i just read that right? So... The story is because UNMC are the rebels we are meant to lose? Don't think i have anything to say to that. You kinda destroyed your own arguement.

 

[Gurlanin]

@SPC Gurlanin

Did i just read that right? So... The story is because UNMC are the rebels we are meant to lose? Don't think i have anything to say to that. You kinda destroyed your own arguement.

In a straight fight, yes. That's why you should be using underhanded tactics to beat us, and avoiding open confrontations. A clever criminal doesn't find him/herself being pulled over by the cops!

 

[Entropy]

@FergussRDM and Poor role play are two different things, make your mind up.

First rebels are RDMing second we are killing you with poor roleplay. I couldn't give a shite about the RDMING, if they are killing without initiation, aye fine. But you didn't complain about that. Your whining about us saying " Leave, and stop persuing or you will be shot " which is pretty reasonable to the hefty bounty and weaponry they are currently carrying.

Also someone said something about RP being less because of money? WRONG! People with less money are actually more inclined to just shoot / kill you with less RP in a desperate attempt to escape and save there 400K kitted out MK. None of you are the first to complain about all this. it's nothing new, and as Kaden said, it just leads to rebels vs. Cops everytime. And funny thing is, it's always the cops posting these drama's. so don't say " its just All the rebels faults ! " 

@SPC Gurlanin

Yes, yes he does. He definitely does when he's the leading / higher man of an infamous gang cartel that has access to highly expensive weaponry and has one of the highest bounties placed from authorities. 

These " gangs " aren't roleplaying as civs, they are massive under ground drug cartels. now if you want me to get an official list of famous violent cartels that do not listen to authorities i really can, don't worry.

 

[FergusW]

RDM and Poor role play are two different things, make your mind up.

Yes they are, however most of the time Poor RP happens before RDM, so Fail RP is connected to RDM.

 

[Entropy]

@Ferguss

Eh i think you'll find its normally just police moaning about Poor rp which inevitably lead to there death, and being killed by a rebel. When it's not REALLY bad RP, its just them not listening and trying to have some stupid discussion with a gang cartel member, despite the situation. Most of the gangs from this server has gone because of this entire police shite, it honestly needs to stop.

 

[Samatlewis]

I'm not going to lie I see a LOT of blaming and shaming eachother but I doubt I will see any changes in in-game actions/attitudes from anyone on this post?

I won't lie I have named/shamed/agreed/argued whatever on posts like this before that ALWAYS backlash and turn into personal attacks/'lets paint that FACTION with the same brush'.

SOOOOOO, instead of these well written/half-arsed/witty/dumb-ass responses can we actually take action? Take the game into OUR own hands? (it literally is our keyboard and mouse) to just TRY and make it so we're not constantly at eachothers throats? I mean there has been posts like this before, comments like this before, reactions all the same and it's a process that seems to be rinsed and repeated far too often. 

As of late we have had a MANAGEMENT (Vladic to be specific) reaction to roleplay quality. Up YOUR game (to anyone reading this).

Please don't adopt the 'oh he did it and got away with it so I will' or 'It doesn't matter it's just THAT cop/rebel/hobo/medic/UNMC' attitude. 

 

[Gurlanin]

Yes, yes he does. He definitely does when he's the leading / higher man of an infamous gang cartel that has access to highly expensive weaponry and has one of the highest bounties placed from authorities. 

These " gangs " aren't roleplaying as civs, they are massive under ground drug cartels. now if you want me to get an official list of famous violent cartels that do not listen to authorities i really can, don't worry.

Exactly the opposite. Do you know how gangs work? I mean, how it works in the real world? The guy at the bottom of the food chain gets caught, the gang leaves him to serve his time. The big boss comes out, and his hands are clean because he was clever in how he did his business - the cops want him, but have nothing on him that will stick.

THAT is what it means to be a gangbanger: a criminal. What you're doing is just weird and incoherent. There is no logic to your actions, or to how these 'gangs' are run.

@Ferguss

Eh i think you'll find its normally just police moaning about Poor rp which inevitably lead to there death, and being killed by a rebel. When it's not REALLY bad RP, its just them not listening and trying to have some stupid discussion with a gang cartel member, despite the situation. Most of the gangs from this server has gone because of this entire police shite, it honestly needs to stop.

I'll call shite RP when I see it, not just when I 'lose' a fight.

 

[Entropy]

Yes and there are a tonne of corrupt cartels i could name that don't do that, different gangs are ran differently, with variations of power / control.

Besides that, if a gang HAS the power and control, to kill police without repercussion due to weaponry and numbers, money and control of the island ( such as numbers ) then they are fine to do so. But honestly, keep making these regular posts about rebels and their shit RP, because most have been banned or left because of these regular complaints.

@SPC Gurlanin

As Samatlewis says, people need to stop pointing fingers if im honest. and In my whole entire opinion, trying to discuss with a gang member about his charges / tickets, whilst his MK is in his hands and he has a bounty over 200K including murder is just shite. it's crappy, unrealistic and silly. 

 

[FergusW]

@SamatlewissAgreed! I did make a suggestion, but it got lost infront of everything else.
I think we can carry on, however we need to be clearer on Roleplay, rather than just "Don't go out of RP", we need to make things clearer, stamp things down because people are taking advantage and think it is OK.

Civs need to be more wanting to do things, accept you did something wrong, and do something else in 15 minutes. Police need to make HM Treasury negotiations better, we need to actually have fun rather than a gunfight. 

We will all do something wrong at some point, but RDM is getting so questioned. Poor RP / RDM needs to be stopped, not by a magic finger, by US. OURSELVES, OUR BRAINS. Think before you speak.
And for those who think I have changed my tune, well I have. Because I have thought about something else to say.

 

[PC Harvey]

Mate you're on about RDM, we don't RDM. we warn you to politely " fuck off " or be shot. and you ignore the warning, then get shot.

yo it aint about RDM, its about whats shit roleplay and what isnt...

tis what you need to understand

 

[Edgar Ville]

but I doubt I will see any changes in in-game actions/attitudes from anyone on this post?

Of course not, because "nobodies wrong"

Got to admit it's a little disheartening to read through some of these comments, but it's time for my two cents.

People who value the person they are roleplaying with will be met with fantastic RP and deserve that from everyone they meet.

Everyone who uses the person in front of them as an NPC (you know who you are, it's down there in your subconscious) deserves nothing.

Simples.

 

[WhoisDan]

Everyone who uses the person in front of them as an NPC (you know who you are, it's down there in your subconscious) deserves nothing.

I agree with this completely, but unfortunately some people (I'm not going to name names for the sake of not starting drama, but they will know perfectly well who they are) don't really seem to care. I know of a number of people who have been (and are repeatedly) criticized on their roleplay standards, but refuse to take it on board and simply mock and jest at it.

 

[Ron]

Just gonna sit here and eat my fruitellas fam

 

[Starsky]

First of all, why are people forgetting that their role play isn't based off of a faction "rebel" or "police", it is based off of a human.

When you begin to label every certain character as a certain faction, it gives off a number of characteristics to expect. People expect "rebels" to do this, this and that. People expect "police" to do this, this and that. Get my drift?

Now why isn't it that we have started role playing as humans? Humans have advantages, flaws, likes, dislikes, favouritism, opinions, ideologies and greatest of all (and possibly the most relevant), character.

Character is what forms the "role play", if you are role playing as a rebel, and not a human, you are taking on solely the characteristics of the "rebel", and not involving the "human" aspect to the role play. What does this lead to? It leads to unwinnable situations, stand-offs, poor role play because the goal of the character is too simple. To put it simply, your "character" has no dynamic at all, it is like trying to put a piece of a puzzle into the wrong section of a nearly finished picture, you end up not fitting; you're out of place to the rest of the characters within the picture.

Just include the character, your character can be an arsehole, yes, but when you leave out the character, you're linear, and you end up lacking depth and are practically autonomous in the game.

This is where character sheets (like DnD) would come in handy; player's creating their characters and defining information that helps to provide depth to them - this would help some people adhere to better role play scenarios.

Woof.

 

[Gurlanin]

First of all, why are people forgetting that their role play isn't based off of a faction "rebel" or "police", it is based off of a human.

When you begin to label every certain character as a certain faction, it gives off a number of characteristics to expect. People expect "rebels" to do this, this and that. People expect "police" to do this, this and that. Get my drift?

Now why isn't it that we have started role playing as humans? Humans have advantages, flaws, likes, dislikes, favouritism, opinions, ideologies and greatest of all (and possibly the most relevant), character.

Character is what forms the "role play", if you are role playing as a rebel, and not a human, you are taking on solely the characteristics of the "rebel", and not involving the "human" aspect to the role play. What does this lead to? It leads to unwinnable situations, stand-offs, poor role play because the goal of the character is too simple. To put it simply, your "character" has no dynamic at all, it is like trying to put a piece of a puzzle into the wrong section of a nearly finished picture, you end up not fitting; you're out of place to the rest of the characters within the picture.

Just include the character, your character can be an arsehole, yes, but when you leave out the character, you're linear, and you end up lacking depth and are practically autonomous in the game.

This is where character sheets (like DnD) would come in handy; player's creating their characters and defining information that helps to provide depth to them - this would help some people adhere to better role play scenarios.

Woof.

Character sheets. Now that's what we need. Everyone who joins randomly rolls, and has to stick with what they have for X amount of time.

You know what? I'm going to do that. I'm going to roll a brand new 'Gurlanin'! Let's see what happens!

 

[JC Denton]

People have been complaining about the shit RP and flat out meta gaming for a while.

Nothing has been done, but the complaints have been heard.

 

[eval_betty]

Viva la RP