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Roleplay being shot down too easily.

n00ms

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Sheffield, UK
We have been trying to get something going which we have not seen at the moment, we created art work, and came up with all the concepts for a Private Security company. The rest of the group were really up for it and we saw loads of RP opportunity to be had with the newer players to the server, we would protect copper and iron miner to start and work from there. I ran into a few Police on our first run, explained what we do and they said "keep the firearms holstered" and understood what we were about and let us do our work. I even created an official looking document which I can email to officers detailing like a real document would the use of rifles for protection purposes. It states officers retain the right to confiscate the weapons if the firearms are used out of the line of work. We put every effort into the roleplay when we meet the traders and they have loved it, some have said they have been too scared to trade sometimes but this helps them loads. The police we have met have understood and it all seemed well.

Tonight however, we had one issues when we were attacked but the police again accepted our roleplay, they thought outside the box and roleplayed back and made us holster and let us carry on with our work. 

Then we are driving along in the truck we use to transport the group heading to protect a miner who had just finished at iron mine, we got stopped by Police who not matter what we said were not allowing the roleplay and shut it down without even thinking. For them it was, this is the rules, that is that. They said they were going, restrain us, to take all (6 peoples rifles) from them. I tried to explain, asked for his name to send documents, he said "I dont see the point". I told him about previous situations he ignored and kept saying "were going to take them off you and leave". Every time I tried to explain what type of company we were, backstory and trying to get it across to them, we are trying to do something different, it was shut down. 

As soon as they showed flashing lights, we pulled over, we were asked to line up, we did. Then as he talks at us, we realise this is going nowhere, he had decided from when he pulled us how it was going to go.

The guys obviously were not happy, not with losing weapons, but the fact it was done so... to the letter. No imagination. No real interaction. This felt like the police version of the countdown robbery.

When an officer started swearing at one of our guys and voices were raised and police started making demands, we decided that attitude around 6 armed men was not value of life, as we have had with a lot of police in the past we know the tazers are coming out, as soon as I saw one raised, we took them out.

I do not mind losing guns, I do not mind being stopped by cops. I do NOT like trying to enjoy some roleplay and get them involved when they feel they have no interest in our story and just want to get guns and go.

I have recorded all my interactions with the police, I have been impressed at how some have challenged the documents, some have asked for an official email, some have got superiors involved, always something clever and something to get involved in our idea, they are acting like real police officers. Not following the law to it's entirety but moulding something where both parties are happy or a new line is made... they are playing along, how it should be... I think somewhere along the line these officers forgot that and displayed a real lack of situational judgement.

 
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Well some people that are cops should get bannd. i mean alot of complaints on the cops and when we do a little wrong the scream like little kid's i mean they dont show respect and dont value the life of the civilians or there own life's

 
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My recommendation is go to the PCC. If you feel a lighter approach is better, ask officers for their constabulary, get their name and talk to their CI. Quite frankly, low quality RP is the curse we are struggling to get rid of within police because many people don't want to be seen as "snakes". Rest assured I have no such holdbacks in taking action on people who kill good RP.

If a certain problem is systematic, I'll bring it up with the community board later this week if you wish.

 
@NoomsYou realise that what you describe is a massive issue and not all the police are like that. Go and have a chat with them in teamspeak and see if you get anywhere. If not... well the PCC exists for a reason.

A group of people getting together to roleplay like that is what this community is about really and you getting shut down is really rather disappointing. Unfortunately, if you say yourself that many cops do it well, you aren't really acomplishing anything with this post apart from attempting to take some kind of moral high ground. Resolve the situation so they can learn and do better next time and keep doing what you're doing.

 
I understand what you are trying to say, however making a whole post about it is too far.

I believe (my opinion) that you should message the officers involved on teamspeak and talk to them. If nothing is resolved and arguments occur then make a PCC here: https://www.roleplay.co.uk/forum/66-police-complaints-commission/

A post about this is kinda ridiculous if you ask me. Making this comment I have heard two replies which are probably along the same lines.

 
@NoomsYou realise that what you describe is a massive issue and not all the police are like that. Go and have a chat with them in teamspeak and see if you get anywhere. If not... well the PCC exists for a reason.

A group of people getting together to roleplay like that is what this community is about really and you getting shut down is really rather disappointing. Unfortunately, if you say yourself that many cops do it well, you aren't really acomplishing anything with this post apart from attempting to take some kind of moral high ground. Resolve the situation so they can learn and do better next time and keep doing what you're doing.
Well said!

 
I had to log for the evening as I could not speak due to kids in bed, but I am going to message them privately and try to resolve it.

My recommendation is go to the PCC. If you feel a lighter approach is better, ask officers for their constabulary, get their name and talk to their CI. Quite frankly, low quality RP is the curse we are struggling to get rid of within police because many people don't want to be seen as "snakes". Rest assured I have no such holdbacks in taking action on people who kill good RP.

If a certain problem is systematic, I'll bring it up with the community board later this week if you wish.
Thank you for the information I am going to contact the officers and try and speak with them and let them know how much it upset our group and try and hear their side as to why they acted how they did.

I understand what you are trying to say, however making a whole post about it is too far.

I believe (my opinion) that you should message the officers involved on teamspeak and talk to them. If nothing is resolved and arguments occur then make a PCC here: https://www.roleplay.co.uk/forum/66-police-complaints-commission/

A post about this is kinda ridiculous if you ask me. Making this comment I have heard two replies which are probably along the same lines.
I thought making a post was a good thing, to bring it to light. If anything it has got me the info I needed to sort this out.

 
The thing that annoys me most is when the cops leave the roleplay situation they are in (often by sending to prison from station or giving a high price ticket), sometimes ignore attempts of roleplay e.g at the police station, because they have to go and aid in a HM or an officer taking shots.

My opinion is its a shame gunfights are prioritised over roleplay 

 
Thank you for the information I am going to contact the officers and try and speak with them and let them know how much it upset our group and try and hear their side as to why they acted how they did.
On this note, I feel like some cops feel a bit scared out acting "off the books" as it were and feel like doing everything to the letter is a lot safer. Anyone in the cops reading this (especially newer guys) always do what benefits the roleplay and if you end up doing something a bit unusual it is all worth it if it makes someone enjoy themselves.

Worst thing that happens is you get called out and you explain yourself, have some confidence :)

 
From my experience as a cop for almost 3 months, it really is dependent on how you are with me, if I feel I may end up being held hostage or if another officers life is at risk. Evidently from what you have said, provided with the level of depth you have thought into your role play then I would have easily let you go as long as rifles were holstered or in bags, in order to prevent you being stopped again whilst doing an honest service. The issue really is which officer talks to you, each person is different and will deal with things in different ways. I can speak for myself but not the entire Police force perhaps you follow what @DSGT Vafflasaid and if it occurs again, take it to the PCC.

 
The thing that annoys me most is when the cops leave the roleplay situation they are in (often by sending to prison from station or giving a high price ticket), sometimes ignore attempts of roleplay e.g at the police station, because they have to go and aid in a HM or an officer taking shots.

My opinion is its a shame gunfights are prioritised over roleplay 
im sorry but ignoring your coleague getting shot at or someone being robbed is really poor roleplay..

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although i agree with you that quickly giving someone a high ticket or sending to prison is irritating.

 
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im sorry but ignoring your coleague getting shot at or someone being robbed is really poor roleplay..

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although i agree with you that quickly giving someone a high ticket or sending to prison is irritating.
But surely they should at least make an effort to finish the situation properly 

 
Yes a few times when I have tried roleplaying out of a ticket or prison, It is like you say... they seem rushed to get off. If anything It would be nice if police officers do read this and just think "right im going to make sure I don't do that".

 
Yes a few times when I have tried roleplaying out of a ticket or prison, It is like you say... they seem rushed to get off. If anything It would be nice if police officers do read this and just think "right im going to make sure I don't do that".
It's all well and good saying that but in the moment you need to help your colleagues. I love to RP, but if I get a call of an officer in trouble close by I will try and get to them ASAP, be the same if a gang member is being chased/shot at. Your going to respond as fast as possible. 

 
It's all well and good saying that but in the moment you need to help your colleagues. I love to RP, but if I get a call of an officer in trouble close by I will try and get to them ASAP, be the same if a gang member is being chased/shot at. Your going to respond as fast as possible. 
Yeah that is understandable.

 
I've updated the title to "shot down" rather than "shutdown" thought this was a complaint about servers being turned off with 3 people in....

 
Well some people that are cops should get bannd. i mean alot of complaints on the cops and when we do a little wrong the scream like little kid's i mean they dont show respect and dont value the life of the civilians or there own life's
I really don't feel like this comment is needed here. The whole time I have been on this server the police have shown respect. Ending roleplay early by giving a ticket or sending people from station should not be done but it still has nothing to do about having respect. We don't value our lifes? I'm not even gonna say anything about that....

 
I really don't feel like this comment is needed here. The whole time I have been on this server the police have shown respect. Ending roleplay early by giving a ticket or sending people from station should not be done but it still has nothing to do about having respect. We don't value our lifes? I'm not even gonna say anything about that....
Almost every time my friends and I are trying to get a police officer to lower their weapons and they are surrounded and we outnumber them the still think that the can take us all out and get away from there alive and well. i Mean coman like the are 2 guys and we are 6 the still start truning around a shooting like the are some kinde of super soldiers. but the end up dying insted and then the cry and scream ts. becuse we are the one that did wrong (well so some of them do atles). i mean the should lover there guns if the are 6 well armed guys stoping them and tell them to lower there guns. but no the just dont want to lose there stuff or taken hostages or somthing. the just start shoting and that is not nice.

sorry for bad spelling i got dysleski

 
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It's all well and good saying that but in the moment you need to help your colleagues. I love to RP, but if I get a call of an officer in trouble close by I will try and get to them ASAP, be the same if a gang member is being chased/shot at. Your going to respond as fast as possible. 
Not many gangs have 20+ other people who all drop RP to come help.

 
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