RMD - Sgt Maj Zaf

[TN-Bond]

Resolved.

 

[zaF]

Private video btw, cant see it.

However this is it from my point of view. We felt that the chopper was landing way to close to us during the bank job, they were landing right on top of one of my guys. I was told to fire by blaze who will back me up on that. As for not knowing there was a bank robbery I find that very hard to believe with the amount of people and trucks that were at the bank.

Onto the evidence.

Screenshots of timestamps to show how long we were at the bank before I shot at the helicopter. (Pay attention to the marks on the map, we had loads of guys and tempests at the bank): http://imgur.com/a/2at6o

Video of how low and close they were flying to our location in the compound: 


Any more questions feel free to ask. I have some more video footage if needed.

 

[blaze1981]

i will reply seeing as though i was in charge of this mission, we were robbing the treasury and were in combat with the police when sgt.maj zaff informed me of a humingbird with armed men on either side landing in the middle of the combat zone, i then told zaff that if he thought the hummingbird was a threat to himself or any one else in our unit (as its very common for other gangs to muscle in on bank jobs and try to claim the gold for themselves) then he was free to open fire, i dont feel this is rdm as there was clearly  a firefight going on and this heli landed at a hot LZ with fully armed guys on either side who could of potentially been there to try and take the gold

 

[meow]

Civilians do not get warned when there is a bank robbery, if you land a in a firezone in a 1km radius armed and looking ready to kill, they can shoot you on sight. ( I believe )

 

[zaF]

Also, I would like to point out. You can see from my POV that the guys in the heli looked armed/rebels. I'm not sure if they were or not looking at his POV. However I felt that they were a threat to me and my squad at the time during the robbery. I had the all clear to fire. So I did.

 

[TN-Bond]

Civilians do not get warned when there is a bank robbery, if you land a in a firezone in a 1km radius armed and looking ready to kill, they can shoot you on sight. ( I believe )

And where is that in the server rules?

 

[zaF]

And where is that in the server rules?

12B)  RDM is eased inside the compound and in police chases, if negotiations fail or do not happen then of course there is going to be a shootout.

Is the closest I could find.

 

[zaF]

Also feel that I should mention, the compound I was in is roughly around 300m from the main bank building.

 

[TN-Bond]

Also, I would like to point out. You can see from my POV that the guys in the heli looked armed/rebels. I'm not sure if they were or not looking at his POV. However I felt that they were a threat to me and my squad at the time during the robbery. I had the all clear to fire. So I did.

You could have popped the pilot a sms to say there was a shoot out going on or even said it in Sidechat... I mean if you have time to talk about KOS you also had time to pop a message.

As you can see, we didn't see / hear shots being fired. Only saw 1 police car to which we nicked and the only shots we saw was your tracer bullets at us.

Also how were we a threat? did we shoot at you? We didnt see you or anyone around at that height.

Also, saying its not your problem that the notification didn't appear for at least 3-5 people that there was a bank robbery isn't a good way forward.

Also the "firefight" was between you and the cops, not us.

 

[zaF]

I feel that I have said everything I can and explained my actions. Guess we wait for the admins decision.

 

[zaF]

I would also like to take time to mention that I didnt like your tone when messaging me in game about the issue. You took a tone that was leaning towards blackmailing me.

"How are we going to deal with this then?"

"Or i can just stick it on the forums, its easier for me"

There is no need to take this route. Im fairly certain we are capable of resolving an issue without it.

 

[TN-Bond]

Twasnt blackmail. It was two options. Option A - We resolve over messaging or otherwise. Option B. The forums.

You chose option B.

 

[Asus]

without say anything for him or warning him so its 100% RDm .. thanks ;c

 

[TN-Bond]

Dropping Report.

Resolved with PFC Andrej in TS.

Do not proceed further. Cheers

 

[Neo]

To be honest, you cant resolve an RDM like this.. and it is RDM. 

There's no notifications about bank jobs any-more due to; 

A - Its unrelistic

B - it got other gangs involved who wanted some action

If the police do this, they're in a lot of..... mess... they have to at least give a few warning shots, thats tracers "infront" of the main wind shield.

You could of sent him a text, you could of threatened them when they landed... you could of just waited to see what happened next...

 

[Doohicky]

To be honest, you cant resolve an RDM like this.. and it is RDM. 

There's no notifications about bank jobs any-more due to; 

A - Its unrelistic

B - it got other gangs involved who wanted some action

If the police do this, they're in a lot of..... mess... they have to at least give a few warning shots, thats tracers "infront" of the main wind shield.

You could of sent him a text, you could of threatened them when they landed... you could of just waited to see what happened next...

Sorry but I feel compelled to point out that the Last time cops RDM'd someone without warning, nothing happened.

I'm referring to the incident where 2 ARAC folks landed to repair a vehicle.  Basically the cops simply said "Active firefight", and just murdered two people who were unarmed, and had not seen or heard any gunfire during their approach and landing. They were never warned. They were wearing ARAC outfits (which in itself isn't much, but you can easily see if they have a gun on their back due to the color contrast).

The cops did not wait for them to land. They did not wait to see what happened next. They did not send a text. They killed them without warning.

I know we're not supposed to reply to these posts, but again, I feel compelled to point these inconsistencies out because people Do notice, and we are offended whenever someone gets punished for something cops get away with all the time. I feel like these things need to be pointed out every single time, because they keep happening.

It would be fine if they would at least be disciplined in some way, but it seems it's just swept under the rug, systematically.

Favoritism.

P.S.  Reports against cops have been dropped in this exact manner in the past, and there wasn't an admin stepping in saying  "To be honest, you cant resolve an RDM like this..."

 

[Andrej]

Sorry but I feel compelled to point out that the Last time cops RDM'd someone without warning, nothing happened.

I'm referring to the incident where 2 ARAC folks landed to repair a vehicle.  Basically the cops simply said "Active firefight", and just murdered two people who were unarmed, and had not seen or heard any gunfire during their approach and landing. They were never warned. They were wearing ARAC outfits (which in itself isn't much, but you can easily see if they have a gun on their back due to the color contrast).

The cops did not wait for them to land. They did not wait to see what happened next. They did not send a text. They killed them without warning.

I know we're not supposed to reply to these posts, but again, I feel compelled to point these inconsistencies out because people Do notice, and we are offended whenever someone gets punished for something cops get away with all the time. I feel like these things need to be pointed out every single time, because they keep happening.

It would be fine if they would at least be disciplined in some way, but it seems it's just swept under the rug, systematically.

Favoritism.

Get used to it,it will never change. Cops get whatever they want

No hate,but i love when cops say stuff is unrealistic,but they dont look at the damn map how things are

 

[zaF]

To be honest, you cant resolve an RDM like this.. and it is RDM. 

There's no notifications about bank jobs any-more due to; 

A - Its unrelistic

B - it got other gangs involved who wanted some action

If the police do this, they're in a lot of..... mess... they have to at least give a few warning shots, thats tracers "infront" of the main wind shield.

You could of sent him a text, you could of threatened them when they landed... you could of just waited to see what happened next...

During an active fire fight involving most of the cop force, you don't really have time to send a text. A cop could of pushed my building mid way through writing the message and shot me.

Also, "waiting to see what happens next" during a bank robbery is never going to end well. Every single time the bank is robbed civs turn up and try to get in the way, steal gold or shoot you. Honestly I find it hard to believe the cops wouldn't do the same thing in that situation.

Either way the matter has been resolved as he said. Is it possible to get this thread locked?

 

[Doohicky]

Get used to it,it will never change. Cops get whatever they want

No hate,but i love when cops say stuff is unrealistic,but they dont look at the damn map how things are

People keep saying that, and it may very well be true. However it is still on us to make sure we point these things out to them, because when shit hits the fan and people start getting agitated, sometimes things are said that are quickly dismissed as baseless simply because the person saying them is acting irrationally...  Keeping these things up-front will make it easier for people to bring up these points without having to get irate, and it will make it more difficult to dismiss the claims because we have a clear/documented chain of incidents to support the points being expressed, which is typically 'Favoritism'. Sorry @Neo, @Wilco, @Maratek... however much you want to deny that things are fair all around, this is simply incorrect and anyone who's actually paying attention feels like you are spitting in their faces by making such claims.