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Report a player - The Mob - GTA RP

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Timo Langston

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Your In-game Name: Tim Lang

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: The Mob

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 05/13/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 131

What best describes this incident ?: G3.1 and Hop on squad

Please (in detail) describe the incident: For context Cypress members had taken 2 Mob members for intel gathering as we planned to meet with them at a later date and wanted to see what we could get out of them. We had learned from them that they were the only Mob members in city at the time we took them, as JD had confirmed after being questioned. Once we took them to a secluded place we noticed while we were chatting to JD and BigT we could hear other voices coming from JD's mic. After we had downed JD we left them to sort themselves out and before leaving BigT had said he was going to leave JD for dead. I (Tim Lang) stayed in the area to check if he would leave his friend behind or not after a couple of minutes I spotted both players leaving the street we were on. This is shown on the clip with the timestamp: https://imgur.com/TL2uyLY

After seeing them I drove to the rest of the guys to discuss what our next steps were and our options depending on what JD and BigT decided to do. As I reached the meeting spot Jeep says he was receiving a call from Yuri (The Mob Boss). This is the exact timestamp that Jeep says he receives the call: https://imgur.com/ki40j1T

We asked them into Liaison as we had suspected that the information was meta gamed being that there was 1m34s between me seeing BigT escorting JD and then driving to the meeting spot to hear Jeep getting the phone call.

From the Liaison Yuri, BigT and JD categorically denied the use of OOC information. This is due to Yuri stating that BigT had bought a Phone, Radio and Knife from Clinton shop and the nearest Amunation. When BigT joined the Liaison he had said that he had:
1) Stolen a local car
2) Struggled to place JD in the local car due to him being downed and zip tied and not understanding how that Mechanic works
3) Left JD and drove to Clinton Shop
4) Purchased a Phone and Radio
5) Contacted Yuri to tell him what had happened
6) Went to the nearest Amunation and purchased a knife

From all of this information I find it very hard to believe the following. The moment I broke visual contact with BigT escorting JD and drove off BigT has continued escorting him until a local car appeared. From my clip you see the only local car heading towards them at 1m23s. A car may have come from the other direction, but I can not be sure of that. Which leads me onto my next point BigT stated that he struggled to place JD in the car. I could not say how long he struggled for but I would assume he tried at least twice. Upon realising he could not place him in the car he has then taken the car himself to continue to drive to Clinton. This would have all happened after BigT successfully stopped a car dragged a local out. Whether or not he decided to hotwire the car there and then or after trying to place JD in the car, again, I can not be sure. With all of that being said as you can see from the timestamps this gives BigT 1m34s to do everything mentioned above and then explaining the situation to Yuri after purchasing a Radio/Phone. This is where I believe OOC information was used.

The Hop on squad claim comes into this as myself and other Cypress members blacked out went to frequent spots we know The Mob to hang out and spotted 5 members at their hideout (Warehouse near TFA/Team Midnights old location). When they noticed us they were quite clearly in defence mode and were running about on radio and drawing guns. This is a unusual behaviour for them as we have done this many times before with little to no reaction. Together with that Yuri had mentioned that he logged into the server 10-20mins before calling Jeep and this lines up with the time we already had JD and BigT. Because we were on good terms before grabbing them we had no reason not to believe that they were the only members awake as they had claimed. To further this we asked if Yuri was around and was told he was not. This leads me to believe that not only Yuri himself but other members of the mob had logged on around the same time or just after.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://youtu.be/WySXpGsVqCM



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 
@Timo Langston

Good Evening, hope all is well.

I am very shocked about this report as i believed we cleared things up within discord. After speaking with everyone and you ask how i found out about the situation that happened between cypress and two of my members. After stating to myself you believe things happened too quickly in your eyes on how i found out so quickly. This Is only your opinion with nothing to show apart from your POV. 

we could hear other voices coming from JD's mic
 Hearing voices from someone in city doesn't mean that they are metagaming at all. At times i have indeed heard voice from other people within city which mostly means that they are hotmicing. Sometimes people hotmic over the radio as well and i have heard it many times. But just because you heard voice from someone, you can't call them out for metagaming at all.  

After seeing them I drove to the rest of the guys to discuss what our next steps were and our options depending on what JD and BigT decided to do. As I reached the meeting spot
After clearing up that in fact my member couldn't sort out someone that was downed because he couldn't put them in the vehicle. He then drove down in a local to the closet shop and got a phone and radio. He in fact radioed me about it and i called Jeep straight away. Within that time frame of you leaving to your meeting sport. you had no eyes on him which within that time he wasn't in your eye sight so you can't say he was still there. 

unfortunately i don't have any bodycam of all of this nor does my member as i have asked. Bodycam is always needed within these issue to clear things up but because you don't want to believe my word or his that he indeed contacted me over the radio and told me what happened. You have made a report. To be honest, i was looking forward to where this RP story would go because where it was leading to and would of been fun for all of us.

I'll leave it down to staff decision about this report. 

 

 
This Is only your opinion with nothing to show apart from your POV. 
Yes this is only my opinion that is why the report is up to get the matter investigated and then see the facts.

Hearing voices from someone in city doesn't mean that they are metagaming at all.
Correct and that alone is not a reason to report someone but that coupled with other events is one of the factors that lead to me believing meta gaming had happened.


I wont respond any further unless asked by staff to allow them to investigate the issue. 

 
Your report is currently being reviewed, Please be patient while the evidence is reviewed

Please keep checking this report regularly just in case the reviewing staff member has any questions

Thank you for your report and you doing your part to keep our community clean!

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@Timo Langston

Just a quick question before I take this further, do you have any further footage prior to the incident, I'm looking particularly at the part where you say you questioned them to find out how many were online at the time, do you have footage of that?

Also do you have the name(s) of the people you claim that 'hopped on'?

 
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I do not have any footage of the questioning as I only clipped the scenario when I thought a rule had been broken. The person I believe had "hopped on" is Mr Reznikov.

 
All,

I’m not going to lie, this one was a challenging one, however, after consulting with several other staff members, I have come to the following conclusion.

Cypress had taken ‘Big T’ and ‘JD’ hostage and downed JD, removed all their gear and had taken them to a secluded place. Big T and JD were then left to their own devices to try and get back, however, during that time, ‘Yuri’ had called another member of Cypress.

The sticking point on this one is that the call from ‘Yuri’ was at 01:33, however, looking at our logs ‘BigT’ bought a phone from a store at 01:37.

JD, as you were in a downed state I can not be 100% on your involvement in this.

This leads me to believe that some amount of OOC information was used which ultimately is a permanent ban and as such the following will be enacted…

CharID: 89772

Rule(s) Broken: G3.1

Punishment: Ban - Permanent

CharID: 90330

Rule(s) Broken: G3.1

Punishment: Ban – Permanent

 
Thank you for doing your part in keeping the community clean.

Your report has been approved and action has been taken against the reported player.

If you are out of pocket due to this case please now open a compensation request here, Do make sure to mention this report.

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