I arrived on scene to some sniper which had been spotted by a darter set up in a position, upon arrival I have got out of my vehicle and asked the gentleman to place his hands on his head whilst switching to my tazer (not at one point did I mention shooting him) Squeaky then counter initiates and gives me no more than 1/2 seconds to comply to his initiation before shooting me. The situation did move into the liasion room where ArrogantBread gave his opinion of RDM and Gregory has given opinions which he wishes to add himself later on. The other party did admit that it was fairly poor RP but didn't agree that it was RDM.
[SIZE=14.6667px]As previously stated this was discussed in the liaison where we got opinions of staff on the matter and we agreed the latter half of the video (counter initiation) was poor. You state “ not at one point did i mention shooting him” but as an established player I would assume you are aware that not every sentence has to end with “or be tazed” or “or die” and that a weapon issuing compliance is sufficient to taze someone. At this point in time ( when you issue compliance to place my hands on my head) upon raising my weapon (hostile action) you had a right to tase me. So in my mind if you have the right to shoot me why can't I fire back ? In this instance it is in the open you have issued a demand with a raised weapon and if I don't comply then I will be tased, so I have to wait for you to tase me to take action ? It is to my understanding that providing i don't shoot you for just saying “hands up” and make it clear I have hostile intent (raising the weapon) that regardless of me giving little time for you to comply to my counter initiation I still had a right to shoot you as you had initiated on me and I gave you time to take action on your compliance. In this situation if I had waited after counter compliance then I would of been tased as originally stated with “hands on your head.” I agree by me giving counter initiation and not waiting to act upon it it was shitty and poor however I would debate that I still had a right to kill you as you initiated on me with hostile intent. Couple this with the fact that you initiated and after I counter initiated you traced me with a taser after you were instructed not to and I feel I was within my right to shoot (I had other members in the area to provide backup.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]To add on to this and to give an idea as to why counter initiation was given there was an incident beforehand where one member of invicta was pursued by police and they were instructed not to follow. When police turned up at our location there was questions as to weather we were still being followed (albit rather well as they went a while without being seen) or if it was a different cop just stumbling upon us. This lead to overall a lot of confusion as to whether we could open fire but as you see it just leads to a poor counter initiation that makes it look like crumbs isn't given time to comply but even so i still feel this is questionable to report me for as he initiated with hostile intent and it should give me the right to defend myself.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]However I will say I feel that there is some other motive for reporting this as the opportunity was given to determine if there was wrongdoing without going to the forums but you insisted for it to end up here despite our best efforts for it not to do so, after spending 55 minutes and the opinions of multiple staff members you seemed to be intent on a report. Crumbs did state also “i'm sick of getting Rdmed all the time” implying he gets rdmed a lot. If this is the case i would begin to question as to why it's just Invictia that gets reported for it and not the other RDMers we heard about.[/SIZE]
@Squeaky My words of I'm sick of being RDM'd were purely based on the fact that there should be absolutely no RDM on a roleplay server, all of my RDM incidents have been dealt with correctly with a couple of them resulting in reports here on the forum but many more being dealt with whilst the player was still in game and RDMing players. As for the report after the resolution we were in the liaison room for near on an hour and we weren't really getting very far as Gregg was sitting on the fence taking on board opinions from both sides and even saying himself that he wouldn't want to make a decision as there are a few different factors to consider. I had already asked a few people of their opinions on the situation and the vote was fairly unanimous that it was RDM/Poor RP which I feel is more than enough reason to make a report on the forums.
[SIZE=14.6667px]“As for the report after the resolution we were in the liaison room for near on an hour and we weren't really getting very far”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14.6667px]I would beg to differ with that statement as your words in the room were “If there was wrongdoing i would report it anyway.” implying that your intent wasn't to resolve but rather to report if wrongdoing was found. Add this to the fact that you were given the opportunity to get opinions without a report to which you denied and I think it’s clear what your attitude and intent was with this. But I digress as I would appreciate if you focused on the points I raised rather than the ending comment as to why it was reported. If you have nothing constructive to further add to the discussion of the incident then let's leave it here as debating your reasoning to report won’t help either side to solve it.[/SIZE]
Some of what you are saying is agreeable however you are also making accusations in your statements which I have have just as much right to defend myself against as you do to defend yourself against the initial report.
I would also like to add this video to the report to show that this isn't the first time that I have seen Squeaky behave in this manner as you can clearly see that he is talking whilst knocked out and only says 'bye bye officers, goodbye' before officers were shot. I gave him the benefit of the doubt in the situation but I feel that the point has to be made that this isn't the first case of poor/fail RP that I have witnessed from him.
[SIZE=14.6667px]Ironically enough this was resolved so if you want to use this as evidence as you are trying your best to get me banned I would appreciate if the full story was told along with a video that displays the full incident as you were at fault for interrupting the RP that was originally going on but i digress as this incident is a few weeks old and if you felt there was a issue you should of raised it appropriately at the time. Also while I won't play your childish games and retort in a similar manner do note that while you have "evidence of this not being the first time" I have seen similar things from yourself and if you wish to have these put on display then be my guest. [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]I'll[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] state again, if you have nothing constructive to add to the incident other then your reasons for reporting it witch frankly i'm not interested in as you [/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px]already[/SIZE][SIZE=14.6667px] have reported it then i request you post no more about it as its not helping to solve this current incident.[/SIZE]
I feel that it is helping to solve the current incident as yesterday Gregory was made aware that this wasn't my first run in with you and this will help me to backup my comments. I mentioned in my post above that I gave you benefit of the doubt in the situation which is why it was not reported but seeing as this is now a repeat incident I feel that it is necessary to add why this has ended in a report. On a side note I will not be dettered by any of your threats so you can keep throwing them at me as much as you like.
[SIZE=14.6667px]If you wish to backup your comments i would appreciate if you would do it fully rather than the shallow response with invalid evidence as it doesn't show the situation, it's equivalent to me showing you just shooting someone despite you initiating earlier but regardless. You seem to keep wanting to justify the report with more evidence with an attempt to incriminate me however you haven't actually once responded to any of the points raised in the earlier post. In reference to these "threats" it's easy for you to show evidence of others from weeks back as it is for anyone else so i gave you due opportunity to have this displayed to others should you wish however you opted to take it as a threat instead.[/SIZE]
