GP Salty Vampire
Well-known member
- Location
- Cheshire, England, GB
Your In-game name
Salty Vampire
Name of the player(s) you are reporting
SI Dredd
Date of the incident
04/11/2016
Time of the incident (GMT)
2106
What best describes this incident ?
Poor/Low Quality RP
Other
Which server did the incident take place on
Server 1
Teamspeak
Please (in detail) describe the incident
Before I begin I would like to make clear that it was a difficult decision to choose how to bring this to Police Command and/or Staff. I consulted with staff member Arrogantbread who agreed with CMO Marc, the head of my gang, that this is a player report issue and not one for the PCC. I hope that this is appropriate, as I understand player reports are to be taken seriously. But I want an unbiased Staff/Management perspective on this, as I do not necessarily feel a CSI will look at this with the server in mind, but instead with the Police in mind.
To the point of the report: Myself and Abandoned Anarchists had planned this a few days before now, as we decided it would be fun RP to 'privatize' the prison. I managed to warp this into an RP HM operation by inventing a background where the Police had fallen into debt, and so the prison had to be contracted out. This meant there was a charge for every prisoner we accepted. However, I came up with the story that the Queen had offered to clear the debt through gold bars from the HMT. That is the basic gist of what happened, for more information you can read this Google doc we sent to the Police that we designed for this op: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qsvANw1AmFXDA6ve2rRLqunX5vo-7Hge_NNS47lEDlU/edit
I don't mean to blow my own trumpet, but to my gang and I, this seemed like a well-developed, unique and engaging RP idea. I even spoke to some members of AEGIS (including Feather, who watched the entire op in game) who all said that this was a great idea.
So we begin this op, and when we finally get some Police attention, it all seems to be going well. PapaSmurfy and Ross seem to be playing into our idea just fine at first. They then seem to communicate with someone out of game (presumably Dredd), and return to spend 20 minutes denying us any worthwhile reward for our efforts (500k for the number of gang members we had involved is frankly pathetic, it likely cost us more to get the uniform and gear for the op than what they offered). So this goes on and on, until they eventually return from their car to announce they have been told to arrest us all, before they shoot us all down with rubbers.
Ignoring the clear failure of initiation when they shot us, it makes zero RP sense that they are arresting us from our own property. Should there not be at least some effort to disprove our story before you decide 'they're lying, just arrest them'? Laurens then takes over and insists that we either leave or be fined, and when we don’t it becomes either fined or imprisoned. Fair enough. As far as I’m concerned, Laurens dealt with the situation fine given the circumstances he was made to deal with. In fact, despite their minimal RP at times, I do not take issue with any of the cops on scene. They did what they could for the most part. They’re not authorized to grant us the gold and so they didn’t. Fine. However, the cop who is authorized to do so is who I am reporting today.
The SPCs had a degree of communication with SI Dredd during the op. From our liaison, it seemed to be as simple as this (not quotes, just what I am guessing happened)
SPC: Hey Dredd, some rebels aren’t letting us in the prison and want gold. They gave us this doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qsvANw1AmFXDA6ve2rRLqunX5vo-7Hge_NNS47lEDlU/edit
Can we give them it?
Dredd: No, don’t give them anything, just arrest them.
I understand that Dredd wasn’t there, and so he couldn’t make the most educated decision on what to do with us. What I don’t understand is why he would simply dismiss our efforts entirely. To me, that does not seem like a particularly great attitude for an SI.
I spoke to Dredd in the liaison room, which TomTheDoge recorded and uploaded (found below). He and the SPCs explained to me what went on on their side, which is how I formed the recreated conversation I wrote earlier. This all made sense, but numerous things Dredd said give me great concern for whether his attitude is suitable for his rank.
First of all, “Roleplay should be a reward in itself”. That is very easy to say from the viewpoint of a faction whose only real expenses are food and bomb defusal kits. I am a highly roleplay oriented player, but I still want money. Money is a key element to the game and serves an objective in the game. However, if I purely cared about the money, I wouldn’t be doing an RP HM. Which is one of the first things that concerns me about Dredd. He seems to imply that if you want money on the server, roleplay isn’t going to get you it. Which to me, seems ridiculous on a serious Roleplay server.
Next up, “When people say ‘I’m gonna RP a bank’ it does my fucking nut in”. Again, are you serious? Discouraging RP HMs is an awful attitude to have in my opinion, one that should be eliminated early in the Police induction process. I believe there is a place for the serious, gunfight HM robberies, but that should be up to the gang, not the Police. I don’t mean to imply that the Police should reward all RP HMs, that would be simply unfair, but they should be given the respect they deserve, especially when they are as unique and developed as ours was.
Now, “Powergaming”. Supposedly, what we did was powergaming as we didn’t give the Police an option that would “benefit” them. Yes, we were a gang infiltrating a bank. No, we didn’t intentionally leave any holes that the Police could use to their advantage. Does that make it powergaming? No. If it was, then the Police would have been unable to arrest us. Which they very clearly did. If we had a terrible RP story, deserving of no merit, then by all means, lock us up and throw away the key. But if an RP HM is deserving of it, then it should be rewarded. If Dredd thought 100 bars was “ridiculous” as he said, then he should have negotiated it down. I will not accept the attitude that no RP is deserving of a reward as it means the Police ‘lose’. I would in fact argue that it is both metagaming and powergaming to magically disprove our RP story with zero evidence, based purely on the grounds of ‘You’re rebels, we’re cops. We protect the treasury, you rob it’.
To me, what he says now is the nail in the coffin. “To be fair, you document was very well written, it was very nice”. This proves that it is not him thinking we didn’t deserve it, but instead it is him refusing to reward RP. And he goes on “I’m not there to negotiate it”, “They said ‘can we do it?’ I said no. That was it.”, “Very very rarely [going to pay out for an RP HM], yeah.” To me, this is a disgusting attitude and if I was still in the Police I would hate to have to deny people the credit their roleplay deserves.
The overall impression I got from Dredd screams ‘I’d rather have a gunfight’. If a gunfight is what he wants he should crawl back down the ranks. He says both of my offers were ridiculous, and I know the £20,000 per prisoner was. That was why I gave the option of the gold. It was a no-brainer. As I said, if he thought 100 was too many he should have negotiated, not dismissed us.
I’ll stop myself there. I could go on for ages on the rest of our liaison, but I feel I have made my point. I am serious when I say I don’t feel SI is the place for him, because if the roleplay of other officers is going to be directly influenced and controlled by him it does nothing but negatively impact the image of and interactions with the Police on the server.
I will also attach footage of the operation. Not that it matters much to the report, but if it will assist with understanding the situation as a whole then every little helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXWrBdLHMjQ
Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVmDylffXcc
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!
Yes
You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting
Yes
This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)
Yes
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