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Report a player - NSC - Not sure of exact ID (822, 791, 753) - GTA RP

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JuanPablo

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Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Juan Pablo
Reported Players: NSC - Not sure of exact ID (822, 791, 753)
Date: Jan 4, 2025
Time: 01:30
What best describes this incident: RDM G1.2
Please (in detail) describe the incident: Hello staff,

This evening I was doing bins with a few other grove members and we were straight up RDM by NSC with zero roleplay. Now I am already anticipating the typical NSC response "we have agreed war rules".

However, even with agreed war rules they were not followed or played by. Which is very disappointing as from our perspective we have tried as much as possible to ensure we are following them. For me the toughest part is I was posing no threat to NSC and rather than attempting to roleplay where we are clearly outnumbered 8 vs 4 NSC simply wanted a quick win. As you will see from the clip I didn't shoot back or pose any threat and was just straight up RDM'd. I will attach the agreed war rules and address them now just to quickly silence any easy responses.

WAR RULES - Agreed by Frank and Ramsay with staff approval.

WAR RULES NOW IN EFFECT!!!!!

**KOS in Full colours on turf -** First off we are a block away from NSC turf, NSC are not in colours they are all blacked out, I am also not in colours and NSC made no attempt to ID me as grove.

**Full colours must be worn - min top and mask - Full green cars - for pushes only! -** Again these are the agreed clothing, not being worn by me or NSC.

**No other rules to add. Normal server rules apply off turfs.**- clearly stated that normal server rules apply off turf, we are closer to Clinton than their turf. Also nearer to big bank not NSC turf. NSC turf is allegedly a garage behind up and atom.

Overall, its extremely disappointing from NSC as they clearly have more numbers, not in colours and finally no high quality roleplay provided. I don't understand why they couldn't provide any RP their one priority was fragging us and then getting us to dodgy.

I have added the Id's I was able to get, but I am sure logs can verify who was shooting.

I appreciate staff taking the time to review this and again to disperse any more basic responses I have full POV and can provide longer clips. However, it is a replication of the first minute us just doing bins.

War rules: https://gyazo.com/8c53236da40bc5484c7d9cd08eb94bbd

Thanks,
Juan
Link(s) To Any Evidence: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/jq02ZBTwLRzEuzPzU?invite=cr-MSw1ZDgsMTUwODU5NzQzLA
 
Hello mate,

going to start off by saying that Its pretty disappointing that we couldn't speak about this in QE & review each others clips like a couple of good sports but we're here now.
I will reply on behalf of NSC & those involved in this specific incident.

So, basically we was out looking for grove - filled up at Clinton gas - get a call out over radio that there's a bin truck with grove in -their in colours - we decided to ambush them when the came round the corner - surround them - zippy & go!

This never happened as you can see In the clip the driver immediately decamps, MP in hand & a vengeance on his mind! He starts to open fire, clearly at a disadvantage & clearly aware hench the quick response with pulling the weapon! I give clear demands to get out the truck, your surrounded by what you say is 8 guns/NSC! Why would he do such a thing?

This is where their all shot & downed & taken to dodgy where they bleed out after attempted medical RP was given.

Passenger was shot as again your all carrying weapons, we're by our turf shots had already been fired from your end, In a perfect roleplay scenario Of course you could of been the last survivor to be hands like a scene out of men in black but if you had a chance you would of decamped & took a shot with that WM29 so I'm glad I shot you really.

This evening I was doing bins with a few other grove members and we were straight up RDM by NSC with zero roleplay.
As shown in my clip provided this wasn't as simple as your making out, from our perspective we was out looking for grove where one of us spots four of you in colours doing bins, we was at Clinton gas when this call out came over radio & it just happens you was at Clinton gas at the same time, this is where we quickly plan to take you off the bin truck, take you else where so we could begin the RP.

This is where the driver of the bin truck in my opinion broke G2.4 & carried the win mentality that your accusing us of having, You could clearly see what was happening but instead of going with the roleplay john wick came into play & your first thought was your machine pistol which escalated the situation by your own accord, we never made you shoot first.

we are clearly outnumbered 8 vs 4 NSC
I'm glad your aware of the disadvantage.


As you will see from the clip I didn't shoot back or pose any threat and was just straight up RDM'd.
Although I can appreciate this from your perspective but as we're at war, the driver of the truck decamping & going for it, your all equipped with weapons in colours which I might add is the only time you've actually rocked colours other than fights! you was considered a threat & if given the chance you'd of done the same as the driver did.


**KOS in Full colours on turf -** First off we are a block away from NSC turf, NSC are not in colours they are all blacked out, I am also not in colours and NSC made no attempt to ID me as grove.
Are we going to sit and argue about a block away? It's kind of clutching at straws If I'm honest & grove's only intention is to get as many as of us banned as they can't with the war IG.

We was blacked out as there is no "War rule" set that we must remain in colours at all times while playing the server? Don't see the problem with being grabbed while the blacked out or dressing in different clothes if we're not in a actual fight?


*Full colours must be worn - min top and mask - Full green cars - for pushes only! -** Again these are the agreed clothing, not being worn by me or NSC.
As stated in this comment by your self set by our leads like you said - For pushes only!

We did not push anywhere we was at Clinton gas filling up while out looking for you so being in colours or not is irrelevant IMO.

NSC turf is allegedly a garage behind up and atom.
Thus meaning we can only fight or defend a garage? NSC turf is the surrounding area which probably should of been found out IG but there we go, Its not just one garage, if we're splitting hairs we was no more than 500 yards away from the corner of where our turf would start, So again trying to use this inline with war rules just shows the intentions of this report.


finally no high quality roleplay provided.
Now this shocks me to be honest because not once has a grove member allowed roleplay to happen during any of these fights its always been a forced gunfight & if any form of roleplay has been had its been from the out come of you lot surviving at dodgys.

There's been many situations during this war between the two groups where even myself has provided high quality roleplay BUT it's swiftly denied because most of the time you'd rather die with your weapon than be revived & continue the roleplay.

Just before I finish, I cant help notice the break in audio around 1.34 in your clip? awfully sounds like a quick un-deafen.

IF your up for a Liason let us know & we can arrange it.


Edited* To put correct POV.
 
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Hi,

From your perspective it may seem disappointing however QE is advised and not required. I have decided to not go to liaison as I believe there is a clear rule break and not much is to be discussed.

I will also not be pulled into a childish parody back and forth with you regarding the sentiment of the report. Rather than crying on forums talk to your 'friends' about their actions on the server and their intentions. I am not here to get anyone banned and as you will see by my profile I have posted 3 reports in two years. I do not appreciate the masking attempts to skew the report from the reason it was posted. I count 4 or 5 unnecessary digs and remarks which are clearly posted to attract engagement and I wont be giving you the satisfaction.

I will simply address your report based responses:

This never happened as you can see In the clip the driver immediately decamps, MP in hand & a vengeance on his mind! He starts to open fire, clearly at a disadvantage & clearly aware hench the quick response with pulling the weapon! I give clear demands to get out the truck, your surrounded by what you say is 8 guns/NSC! Why would he do such a thing?
Just to make you aware I was not the driver I was the individual on the back of the truck, this bears no relevance. He shot you, I didn't. If you are around the city and someone insults you do you just shoot everyone near by?

I'm glad your aware of the disadvantage.
Im glad you are aware you are dominant in that situation 8vs1 against an unarmed person - roleplay or shoot?
Passenger was shot as again your all carrying weapons, we're by our turf shots had already been fired from your end, In a perfect roleplay scenario Of course you could of been the last survivor to be hands like a scene out of men in black but if you had a chance you would of decamped & took a shot with that WM29 so I'm glad I shot you really.
This is a ridiculous response I didn't have a gun out, I was unarmed and no threat to you or any of your gang members? Again, do you eliminate anyone within a radius of your roleplay scenario?

Now this shocks me to be honest because not once has a grove member allowed roleplay to happen during any of these fights its always been a forced gunfight & if any form of roleplay has been had its been from the out come of you lot surviving at dodgys.
Its your power as it is mine, if you feel a rule has been broken use the appropriate channels.

To summarise, I am an individual on the back of a bin truck unarmed with no identifiable clothing given no demands or RP. Just shot and taken to dodgy.

I do not feel any more responses are required from my side and after the reply I have received I do not want to engage in childish masking of the intention of the report.

Thanks for your response and thanks to staff for taking the time to review.
 
@JuanPablo Appreciate your reply we can keep this short & sweet as I'll leave this in staffs hands.

I'm off to bed :)
 
Do we have anymore pov's available of this situation. preferably one that shows the nsc at the rear of the truck.
 
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Anything else you need, let me know.
 
I've taken a look at these pov's multiple times. And unless I'm mistaken, NSC pull up infront of the truck, the truck driver (Hunter) (Grove member) hops out and instantly starts shooting them, without a prior interaction.

How is this RDM from NSC's side? Am I missing something?

Do we have a pov of the driver?
 
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To be clear I am the one reporting NSC here, the individual on the back right of the truck who was shot for being on the truck. I had no gun out and did not speak to any of the NSC members. I was shot for being present and on the truck.

As I have repeated I was outnumbered 8 vs 1 and rather than roleplaying with an unarmed individual NSC decided to shoot me for simply being on the bin run. They did no ID me as grove and I did not act aggressively towards any of them. I could've have been any individual or a member of any gang and I would've been shot there, as I have stated if a hostile incident occurs in an area or location should I go round wiping everyone out because they are present.

I would have no issue with being held up here but I was just shot so NSC could win the gunfight. As heard in their comms 'wiped' 'wiped' demonstrates the lack of intention to roleplay. Why was the decision to just shoot me rather than interact? It would've been stupid for me to fight in that scenario.

As for the driver I can ask for POV. From his perspective they both pulled guns at the same time and he decided to defend himself as he was surrounded by multiple cars.

I am attaching pov of chard who was the passenger as you can see the NSC already have their guns drawn before the driver gets out of the truck. And after that it is anyone's guess who shot first here? Nsc will say the driver did but if you slow it down the first pistol shot comes from an NSC to the right.

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Ants POV:
This POV is cut down perfectly to show the black champion not shooting first, if we could get some extended POVs that would be great rather than an 8 second clip that starts after the shooting begins.

Thanks for taking the time to review.
 
Hello again @JuanPablo,


This POV is cut down perfectly to show the black champion not shooting first, if we could get some extended POVs that would be great rather than an 8 second clip that starts after the shooting begins.
This is ONE of FOUR POV's? Ill ask ant if he has a longer version but I don't see how ONE of FOUR POV's will change anything, You was spotted at that garage collecting bins? we stuck it on you & two of you opened fire before any chance was given! THE DRIVER OF THE TRUCK WAS THE ONE TO SHOOT FIRST?

If staff need anything else let me know :)
 
Please stop trying to divert the purpose of this report. As stated who shot first is anyones guess. Ants POV is cut down to after the shooting begins, why is that? You were asked for POVs of people at the rear of the truck. In response you have provided one from the front, one far back at the rear and one 8 second clip at the rear that starts after the shooting begins. So all clips not helpful for this report.

Despite all of this again who shot first is irrelevant.

Why was I shot in this scenario? As a unidentifiable unarmed member of a bin crew outnumbered 8 vs 1, why was I shot here?

That is what I have reported for, instead this report is being sabotaged by who shot first and irrelevant POVs, I shot no one and posed no threat. So why was I executed?

Here again is my POV of the incident and how I was killed for no reason apart from being in a bin crew - https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/jq02ZBTwLRzEuzPzU?invite=cr-MSw1ZDgsMTUwODU5NzQzLA
 
So I have managed to gain ants FULL POV.

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I will no longer reply & go back & forth as it's seems @JuanPablo Is clouded by one thing only!
Sorry mate didn't know you was a psychic and could tell me how I feel!

Also thanks for answering the questions I asked about your intentions in the scenario.
Why was I shot in this scenario? As a unidentifiable unarmed member of a bin crew outnumbered 8 vs 1, why was I shot here?

That is what I have reported for, instead this report is being sabotaged by who shot first and irrelevant POVs, I shot no one and posed no threat. So why was I executed?
Oh wait! you didn't, you have completely ignored my questions. I'm assuming you don't have any reason as to why I was shot ?

Thanks for the POV, still cant be sure who shot first.

Thanks for your response.
 
Just to clear up the shooting allegations. NSC shot first. You say the driver shoots first but in this POV -
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A person on the NSC radio behind the truck states we are shooting ? The driver is still in the truck? So how is he shooting?

The comm on your radio is 'they're shooting' whilst the driver is getting out of the truck.

Clearly showing NSC initiate the shooting.
 
Thanks for the POV, still cant be sure who shot first.
But we can though unless we're all looking through your eyes lad!


Trying to sway this report one way isn't a good look in anyway @JuanPablo! You was shot because you was threat the same as the dude next to you who also had the same idea as hunter does! Its just a shame you and chard was to slow!

There isn't a part of me that don't believe your intentions would not of been the same as your other two members! You was shot because hunter denied us the opportunity to further the roleplay he just turned it into a fight straight off the bat! So if your confused as to why you or chard was shot please review the POV's again!


Thanks for the POV, still cant be sure who shot first.
But we can its CLEAR for everyone to see & the only person who doesn't see it is yourself here!


Also thanks for answering the questions I asked about your intentions in the scenario.
I chose not to as your being small minded about the situation & your stuck on one thing rather the whole situation at hand here! Your purposely missing out context for grove advantage.
 
Cheers Ronnie - just give this a watch mate. Thanks for the evidence of NSC shooting first.

NSC shooting first -
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- 0:57 - 'theyre shooting theyre shooting'.

Whilst the driver is getting out of the truck, I am sitting in the right rear seat no gun out, same for josh next to me and chard is in the passenger?

So who from grove shot first?
 
Clearly showing NSC initiate the shooting.
I'd like you to forward on your POV or chards to 40 seconds in,

The first shot is heard as hunters feet touch the ground, IMO hunter shoots first he jumped out with a pistol in his hand the second the jumpout animation had stopped he was able to fire his weapon! using a crosshair to try and line the shot up as he's getting out.

I will not be commenting further because this wild!
 
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0:57 - 'they are shooting, they are shooting' - Hunter still in the truck, Chard No gun pulled, Josh no gun pulled, Me no gun pulled ?
 
Cheers Ronnie - just give this a watch mate. Thanks for the evidence of NSC shooting first.
Your attitude in this report is appalling & is showing grove's mentality!

Thanks for your report..... I guess :)
 
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