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[SteveStacy]

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Your In-game Name: Steve Stacy

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: N/A - not sure

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 07/21/03

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 1900

What best describes this incident ?: G2.3 (Value of life)

Please (in detail) describe the incident: Two individuals and I decided to rob this person who's name I do not know so I shall be referring to him as "Pink Man". We got the "Pink Man" into zip ties and took him to a semi far away location and began to rob him, asking him to drop "everything" whilst we had a bat and a knife pointed to him. He then, mid-way through dropping his stuff, decided to press "f" which made him get into the car. At first, I thought this was an accident and he'd just jump back put and put his hands up again because he said, "sorry fellas" and "what's going on" but then he clearly tries to ram and kill my mates. I managed to disable the car and head back to my house to get a gun to get him out of the broken-down car whilst I was doing this he went onto his phone to, I assume, let others know his location which therefore meant we had to move again and at a quick pace. Once we got to the second location, we, again, began to rob him but this time with a gun pointed at him. He then must have heard me asking whether or not I should kill him and then thought it best, while having a bat on him, to try run, I then pulled my gun and aimed at him, yet he carried on running and then due to poor aim and bad decision making on my friend's part, he managed to slip away.

I believe "Pink Man" showed on 2 different occasions that he didn't value his life and therefore has broken the NVL rule.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):

https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/1kGIw9AOVYvxlj/d13373NGdaQs?invite=cr-MSxsc2QsMTcyNTI1MTk3LA 
https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/1kGIXrhnrAYW0m/d1337a5b55bv?invite=cr-MSw4dXosMTcyNTI1MTk3LA
 
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Josh Deontay]

Hello there, before I get started with my reply I would just like to ask why there was no attempt to resolve or liase? 

The first point that I wanted to pick up on was from the first clip where you say there is a knife and a bat to me however none of you are locked on to me or very close to me, I knew that the car was unlocked and it would be a safe place to hide temporarily. From your POV at approximately 10 seconds you drop your guard which is where I took it upon myself to try and get to safety, the guy in the camo outfit is just holding a bat and the other guy is just standing there. I don't see how it's NVL in the first clip as there was no weapon towards me when I made my escape. 

Moving onto the second clip you demanded to rob me so I dropped everything in my pockets, after this not a word was said to me other than Camoflage man saying "I don't think we're going to let you leave" suggesting that they were going to kill me anyway. Therefore I brought it upon myself to try and escape from the situation as the way the guy in camo was talking it sounded like I would've died either way. I felt like I was going to die so I saw a window of opportunity to escape as to which I did successfully. At no point did I hear you "Steve" say anything while in the second clip other than robbing me, you told me to "Drop everything" which I did then your mate implied one of you were going to kill me even though I'd complied throughout the situation hence why I left like I did as I either stand there and die or I run and have hope of surviving. 

 

[SteveStacy]

Hello there, before I get started with my reply I would just like to ask why there was no attempt to resolve or liase? 

I didn't attempt to liase because I don't need to... plus I put this report up late at night and just went to bed after. 

locked on to me or very close to me

I was locked onto you for 9/10 seconds, and there was a man with a bat right next to you, granted he wasn't holding it up to you, but you were still very much at a disadvantage. 

drop your guard which is where I took it upon myself to try and get to safety,

I dropped my guard for literally a millisecond, you quite clearly had already pressed "f" which, I believe, puts you in a locked-on animation, considering my friend to my right tried to kick you but because of this animation, he couldn't or even if he did you would have still got in the car anyways.

Also, in that situation IRL, you would not be safe at all in the car, id simply just open the door and pull you out, but obviously due to limitations of this being a game, I couldn't do that, which you knew, which is why you just sat in the car. 

You made it seem like this was an accident, care to explain why? 

Therefore I brought it upon myself to try and escape from the situation as the way the guy in camo was talking it sounded like I would've died either way.

So, because we threatened your life and you assumed we would kill you, you thought "fuck it" I'll try run off, if I survive, I survive and if I die, I would have died anyways. Do you not think you should have asked, begged, roleplayed the situation to try stay alive? "If you don't want to let me, go, I'll just go then."- Doesn't really make sense when I have a gun and my mate has a bat on you. 

 

[Josh Deontay]

Okay first of all I've just watched the first clip back again and you dropped your guard for a millisecond however you can clearly see on the clip that I don't move until your guard is dropped. You said yourself you were locked onto me for 9/10 seconds, so that gave me 1 second to get away which I did. 

Secondly, you comparing this to a real life situation I've got two points to pick up on. Firstly, when I was in the car why didn't you aim your gun at me and tell me to get out the car? Also, just because I am in your car doesn't mean you can get me out I could've wrapped the seatbelts around the doors to lock them from the inside or just hold the door closed. 

How did I make it seem like an accident? I just assessed the situation after I got away

Lastly, you haven't shown in your clip what your mate was saying to me he told me he wasn't going to let me go so I knew I was going to die either way unless I tried to escape myself which I did. He wasn't holding the bat to me he was just holding a bat, similarly to me holding my fists... makes no sense in my eyes. The point you're trying to make is you didn't know how to rob properly and you lack a lot of communication as you hardly said a word. If I'm being honest I think you've thrown this report up and I killed both of your mates around 30 mins after the robbery took place. Leading me to believe that your reason for not liasing wasn't because you were going to bed because you could've attempted to liase right after the situation but you didn't you just threw a report up. 

Anyway if there's anything else you need me to answer go for it. 

 

[SteveStacy]

Firstly, when I was in the car why didn't you aim your gun at me and tell me to get out the car?

I didn't have my gun in that section of the robbery, I had to go get it from my house. Again, you pressed "f" which put you in a locked-on animation to get to the car, even when my mate tried kicking you, he couldn't cause if the games limitations.

Also, just because I am in your car doesn't mean you can get me out I could've wrapped the seatbelts around the doors to lock them from the inside or just hold the door closed. 

Um... lad, you're not the flash nor the hulk, you would not have nowhere near enough time to do that. In an IRL situation you getting in the car is pointless, you just did it because you knew we couldn't do anything to get you out of it seeing as we didn't have guns. Whilst in the car, when it was unlocked, you went on your phone whilst they (my mates) were standing at the doors with weapons, this makes absolute 0 sense to me. 

I just assessed the situation after I got away

Um, what? what does that even mean? You said, "What's going on" and "sorry fellas, I don't know what's happening." how is that you 'assessing' the situation. You made it seem like you made a mistake, and you generally didn't mean to press the "f" button, so we all thought you'd jump back out and carry on the RP, but you didn't, you tricked us then tried to ram into us. 

He wasn't holding the bat to me he was just holding a bat, similarly to me holding my fists... makes no sense in my eyes.

We must be viewing different clips at this point. You were in an active hostage/robbing situation; you had no weapons and was being held by someone with a bat and another with just fists, you are clearly at a disadvantage, you also knew I had a gun and was standing right there yet you still ran anyways. 

The point you're trying to make is you didn't know how to rob properly

Please enlighten me on how to "properly" rob someone. I think having weapons and gun's present while telling you "Drop everything", pretty much covers it. 

killed both of your mates around 30 mins

In my eyes you broke NVL, got away, then because you weren't "dumped" you remembered who we were and killed my mates, so yeah, I reported it. 

Leading me to believe that your reason for not liasing wasn't because you were going to bed

I don't really know what to tell you fella, I didn't liase because I didn't want to. As you can see below, I don't HAVE to liase with you before reporting.

"Liaisons are required prior to posting a player report."
They're not! It's absolutely not a requirement prior to posting a player report. If you believe that speaking over a situation is likely to further someone's understanding of the rules, it's recommended. 

I'm curious, had I managed to kill you, this to me would 100% be NVL, as we weren't finished with you, the roleplay hadn't finished, and you just ran off. The ONLY thing you are depending on here, to me, is that you managed to live, but if everyone took this very slim chance of escape when robbed/held hostage, at weapon and gun point it would just be shit and so stupid, IRL you would be bricking it in this situation not making smartass one liners and trying to run off.  

 

[Josh Deontay]

I feel like I'm just repeating myself over and over to try and explain this to you but i'll try one more time. 

You robbed me for all my stuff fair enough. I was told I was going to die even after complying so out of fear of losing my life I ran away. 

In my eyes you broke NVL, got away, then because you weren't "dumped" you remembered who we were and killed my mates, so yeah, I reported it. 

So you're admitting to revenge report, you reported me because I killed your friends... 

Please enlighten me on how to "properly" rob someone. I think having weapons and gun's present while telling you "Drop everything", pretty much covers it.

In regards to this you hardly spoke to me other than drop all your stuff, you never once said anything to me when I ran off you weren't even holding me up at gun point you just ran off on your radio lmao. After i've run off I'm not gonna stop and look around to see if the guy with the gun is gonna shoot me or not makes no sense. 

'm curious, had I managed to kill you, this to me would 100% be NVL, as we weren't finished with you, the roleplay hadn't finished, and you just ran off. The ONLY thing you are depending on here, to me, is that you managed to live, but if everyone took this very slim chance of escape when robbed/held hostage, at weapon and gun point it would just be shit and so stupid, IRL you would be bricking it in this situation not making smartass one liners and trying to run off.  

The only reason I didn't die is because you didn't manage to shoot me in the head hardly my fault even your mates were pissed off at you. I still don't see how it's NVL I genuinely don't think that you know what NVL is. 

Put yourself in my shoes to try and have a better understanding of the situation you have been told your not gonna be let go so you're going to die whether you stand still or try to run away what would you do?

 

[SteveStacy]

out of fear of losing my life I ran away. 

This is just such a cop out, if everyone thought like that then the RP in the city would turn to utter dogshit, when anyone has a knife or a gun to me, "oh no you're going to kill me! Let me just run off."

admitting to revenge report, you reported me because I killed your friends... 

If I'm not mistaken, a revenge report is when, for example: This report gets accepted, meaning you would be banned, if you then tried to report me, it would be classed as a revenge report as you are reporting me, well, for revenge. It is not to do with any in city issues, to my knowledge. So, no I don't think I have. 

gun point you just ran off on your radio lmao

Did you watch the clip, or?

After i've run off I'm not gonna stop and look around to see if the guy with the gun is gonna shoot me or not makes no sense. 

Agreed, but my issue is that you DID run off when you shouldn't have.

The only reason I didn't die is because you didn't manage to shoot me in the head hardly my fault even your mates were pissed off at you.

Again, this is literally my point, you NVL'ed and ran off when you shouldn't have, yes, my aim was shite and I missed you, but it shouldn't have come to that. 

I genuinely don't think that you know what NVL is. 

Right, let me have a look then:

 (G2.4) Value of Life - At all times you are to value your life, if you are clearly outnumbered or at an obvious disadvantage you should comply with demands.

- so, in my eyes, you were, outnumbered and at an obvious disadvantage yet you still ran off and didn't well, value your life. 

Put yourself in my shoes to try and have a better understanding of the situation you have been told your not gonna be let go so you're going to die whether you stand still or try to run away what would you do?

Okay let me do this then, So I have no weapons, no communication devices and I'm being threatened by 3 people one holding a bat and another a loaded gun. They are telling me that they're going to kill me and not let me live, if it was I, I'd plead for my life, beg try make them sympathize with me and let me go, not run to a bike whilst ones holding a bat out to me, and another is not even 5 meters away with a loaded gun.

I'd appreciate it if you responded and answered my queries and questions and not ignore/ deflect with your own. 

 

[Josh Deontay]

Okay so I don't know how to say this without sounding rude but everything I say seems to go in through one ear and out the other or you're acting like you don't understand what I've said. 

I'm not going to be replying to this anymore unless staff ask me to as I just keep repeating myself and it's boring. 

 

[SteveStacy]

Okay so I don't know how to say this without sounding rude but everything I say seems to go in through one ear and out the other or you're acting like you don't understand what I've said. 

I understand, but the majority of what you said either contradicts yourself or is just waffle. You seem to be ignoring all my questions and points I bring up and just respond with questions of your own, I agree it's best to wait for staff's opinions seeing as we're just going round and around.

 

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[Liam]

Hello all,

Worth a note, to keep in mind. Just because you have a gun, over him having a knife for an example. Doesn't mean you automatically win due to the rules, we're not doing ScriptedRP here.

So, I've watched both clips.

In your first clip, this entirely looks like poor planning. Considering you are robbing a man that you have essentially hostage. Why on earth would you have an unlocked car next to him when he could easily open the door and drive off? 

On the next clip, this one is a bit 50/50. I don't understand why you didn't shoot the fella @SteveStacy?

Anyway, yeah. The first clip, I don't see it as NVL, just poor planning on your behalf but on the second clip I would say that he failed to value his life despite you not shooting. He ran off whilst being chased by a guy with a bat, and a gun aimed at him, jumped onto a bike and still had to start the bike and leave. He didn't even seem scared...

Action: 1 Day Ban

CharID: 69580

Rule(s): G2.4

 

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