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Report a Player - Mustafa Jalalai - RDM

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Charles Crawford

Charles Crawford

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Portugal
Your In-game name

Daniel

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Mustafa Jalalai

Date of the incident

05/12/18

Time of the incident (GMT)

1516

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

I was casually passing agios on the main road, when suddenly I heard shots down the street, I decided to turn around to get away from the situation when suddenly I was taken down with a gun spray on my right side. After dying mustafa told that we were wearing police clothes and that he was in a gun fight with the cops, he doesn't have any intentions of roleplay intended in this case. They even state that they were robbing the bank, no red mark on the minimap.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3neKbgYWjg&feature=youtu.be
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 
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I was also in the situation, we was given no warnings and were shot on sight.

 
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In my defence, I couldn’t tell if you were a cop or not. We were in a gunfight with the cops, when I suddenly see and AR cop car roll up. I’m not going to walk 300-400 meters into and open field to see if you are cops. A gunfight is always hectic, and it is common sense not to drive into an active gunfight where there is cops and rebels fighting eachother in a cop car. I offered you compensation immediately after I shot you both out of the car, but also told you I would deal with it after the situation was cleared up. I then started to receive messages after 5 minutes that goes something like this « You have untill restart to give me the 300k that we lost» and alot of other messages like this that kept going for around 15 munutes. I therefor recalled my compensation offer as I didn’t really have any reason to compensate you. Also looking at the video, your gear wasn’t worth anything near 300k as you mentioned to me on teamspeak. I also asked for a video while on TS, and you said you’ll send it to me later, but instead you proceeded with a report. I’ve also got evidence of you and your friend threathening to report me.

https://gyazo.com/60ecd446f20b73cb15b5d5cdc3f6f50d

https://gyazo.com/4a615671442174c3cd09ba530a7cf2dd

https://gyazo.com/5d57e2fce2ce9c0c808430c72052cdef

 
Mustafa Jalalai said:
In my defence, I couldn’t tell if you were a cop or not. We were in a gunfight with the cops, when I suddenly see and AR cop car roll up. I’m not going to walk 300-400 meters into and open field to see if you are cops. A gunfight is always hectic, and it is common sense not to drive into an active gunfight where there is cops and rebels fighting eachother in a cop car. I offered you compensation immediately after I shot you both out of the car, but also told you I would deal with it after the situation was cleared up. I then started to receive messages after 5 minutes that goes something like this « You have untill restart to give me the 300k that we lost» and alot of other messages like this that kept going for around 15 munutes. I therefor recalled my compensation offer as I didn’t really have any reason to compensate you. Also looking at the video, your gear wasn’t worth anything near 300k as you mentioned to me on teamspeak. I also asked for a video while on TS, and you said you’ll send it to me later, but instead you proceeded with a report. I’ve also got evidence of you and your friend threathening to report me.

https://gyazo.com/60ecd446f20b73cb15b5d5cdc3f6f50d

https://gyazo.com/4a615671442174c3cd09ba530a7cf2dd

https://gyazo.com/5d57e2fce2ce9c0c808430c72052cdef
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My friend wasn't threatening you at all, he was simply asking you if you would like to give him the money or if he should continue to forum as you kept us waiting for a very long time due to your "gunfight".

And in return to your "defence" - being in a gunfight does not mean you can KoS everyone in the area, you still must get a positive ID on your targets which you fire at, which you completely failed to do which lead to this situation. You then proceeded to be argumentative in side chat with my friend in deciding what you wanted to do, and then you said to him on teamspeak that you wont resolve it because of "threats to report", like thats on the same level as RDMing two random people? 

Common sense prevails, I did not 'threaten' you - I simply sternly informed you of what the next step was going to be if you kept just pushing us off to the side like we are nothing, despite you blatantly RDMing us and showing zero respect after the fact - of course I am not going to be pleased with you and kiss your ass.

 
About the spam, wich they werent, i sent u 7 PM's in a space of 45 min, the first 3 messages i was asking if u would come TS, then saying that i wasnt going to wait all day cause I was waiting for 15/20 min, and the rest of the messages u stated that i threated you on reporting wich is a lie (and you proved nothing at all), i said that if you willing to pay for the losts u could. ADMINS CAN CHECK IT if necessary.

I dont compreend what's your statement on the 2º and 3º screenshot of yours, where's the rule breaking in there? You said yourself that u were willing to pay us the losses, u said yourself on teamspeak that an active gunfight must be in a 100M situation, and u just said that u were 300-400m meteres away from the gunfight itself and decides to kill us. 

 
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How come my screenshots show something else? Last time I checked, telling someone to compensate or it'll go to the forums classifies as threatening to report. 

Your friend even stated himself that he heard shots in Agios, you also saw a couple of cop cars. Explain to me how it isn't common sense not to drive into an active gunfight with cops and rebels in a marked police vehicle. That's something I would see as a clear case of common sense. I offered you guys compensation for the incident as I tried to be nice, but I told you I had to do it after the situation was cleared up.

The gunfight lasted for approximetaly 30 minutes and then I had to roleplay for about 20 minutes. Your friend kept messaging me so I told him I were still in the same situation, but it turned out he didn't really understand that so he kept on messaging me again and again. How is that pushing you away? It's not like I'm going to tell the people I'm roleplaying with "I'm sorry, but can this wait? I've got an issue on teamspeak I have to resolve..."

 
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I dont know if u can read but i said the 2º and 3º screenshot, the 1º screenshot It has nothing to do with me.

As you can see on the video, yeah we heard gunfighting in front so thats why we decided to stop then turn arround to leave.

So why are you saying that i have threated to report u with no actual proves?

 
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Daniel Master said:
I dont compreend what's your statement on the 2º and 3º screenshot of yours, where's the rule breaking in there? You said yourself that u were willing to pay us the losses, u said yourself on teamspeak that an active gunfight must be in a 100M situation, and u just said that u were 300-400m meteres away from the gunfight itself and decides to kill us. 
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I offered you compensation indeed. but after receving messages like "You have untill restart to give me the 300k that we lost" I didn't really feel like you deserved the compensation. I offered you compensation as a nice hearthed solution to the problem, even tho I never did anything wrong. 

I never said that an active gunfight must be in a 100m radius, that's absolutely wrong. What I told you was that you were less than 100m away from where the gunfight originally started. I also said that I was 300-400m away from you, not where the gunfight was. A gunfight is usually in an radius of 1km as we allready told you on teamspeak.

How isn't the second screenshot a threat to report? "Mustafa, so u are willing to give me the money or should i proced with this recording?" is in my eyes and hopefully alot of other peoples eyes a threat to report. 

 
Mustafa Jalalai said:
I offered you compensation indeed. but after receving messages like "You have untill restart to give me the 300k that we lost" I didn't really feel like you deserved the compensation. I offered you compensation as a nice hearthed solution to the problem, even tho I never did anything wrong. 
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I never said that, I said i was only waiting till the restart but if u willing to pay the 300k that we lost we can close it (like u said u were willing to pay for the stuff), and that was 30-35min before the restart, funny how u dont have the screenshot of the abusing PM u stating out

 
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imaK said:
You then proceeded to be argumentative in side chat with my friend in deciding what you wanted to do,
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I would really like to see screenshots and/or videoes of me beeing "argumentative" in OOC chat. The only thing I remember me saying was "I am sorry I shot you guys" "I'll talk to you after this situation is over" and that I'll compensate you. Please provide a screenshot showing something else.

Daniel Master said:
I never said that, I said i was only waiting till the restart but if u willing to pay the 300k that we lost we can close it (like u said u were willing to pay for the stuff), and that was 30-35min before the restart, funny how u dont have the screenshot of the abusing PM u stating out
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https://gyazo.com/0cbfd01cf4dfe2ca5ee59e35450c1a45

There you go, that screenshot is after I've told you I'm still roleplaying. That's unfortunatelly the only screenshot of your messages that I can provide as I didn't save any recording or screenshots of the other messages. 

 
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Keep this report civil please. I don't want to interfere by locking the topic but if it keeps going back or forward I will have to. 

 
Of course you didnt take the screenshot of the message that i sent you, that's why u lied on here, that screenshot its the first or second one out of the 7 that i sent you, u state : "You have untill restart to give me the 300k that we lost" but can't prove it...

 
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imaK said:
You are lying, I never said I heard shots in Agios, as I was AFK at the time, so this is not possible. 

Why are you lying in a report?
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I said your friend. Look at the report and read it. I’m done, let the admins decide.

Thank you.

 
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Hello @Daniel Master,

I've reviewed your report and watched the video and also read through the entire report a few times now, I've come to a conclusion.

As it stands right now the situation is very hostile between the three of you. And I'm very sad that it has come to this because I do wish this could've been resolved in a more peaceful manner. However, it happens. 

Now on with the report itself, as it shows in the video, just before Daniel enters Agios, he can hear gunshots. As of the situation, I can see about 4 police cars right away, 3 at the bank and 1 on the road right in front of you. You can hear gunfire going on quite a bit, therefor it is obvious that there in some way is a police aspect of the ongoing situation. You drive with a Police vehicle in an ongoing fight between a gang and police. It's not the wisest as this is not the first time that something like this happens. Now Mustafa very kindly right away offers compensation, he says he will speak with you after the situation ends. You then wait 4 minutes and then say: "Mustafa so u are willing to give the money or should i proced with this recording?" In other terms saying "If you don't comp me I will report you" which can be seen as a threat. After that he reassures you and says that he is still in a situation. After that he says he was trying to shoot a cop in the car, as I believe what he thought and by saying earlier that you were dressed as an officer to which I'll say that you were wearing dark clothes, your vest wasn't but your top wear was. After that you continue on with the messages, at that point Mustafa was in a situation still and Kiaran even says so. You ask "for what? 10 min ?". You see, in situations like this, it can go up to well over 30 minutes and then it may even last longer. Your friend imaK then says: "We dont care, you disrupted us, either he or one of you transfers the money now or it goes to the forum" which is indeed a threat. You get called out for threatening and then you both state it wasn't when it clearly was. 

imaK as you state "being in a gunfight does not mean you can KoS everyone in the area", that is true, however in a situation where there are police officers Versus Rebels, you driving a police vehicle will probably end in you getting at minimum shot at unless you aren't noticed. Not everyone can always get a 100% positive ID on a target as in the heat of the battle and the fog of war, it can be rather difficult. 

Daniel, you say you waited 15/20 minutes and consider that that is long time. I'd say a bit of patience would be good in situations like this. However then you state that he is lying about you threatening to report him to which I can say you did. A gunfight does not need to be within 100m of it's starting point. 

I will draw the conclusion now.

@Daniel Master, you will be receiving a warning for Threatening to report (2.8) Mustafa. You were very hostile towards Mustafa even though he tried to resolve it normally. This will be put down on your record. 

@imaK, I'd give you warning at this time but it seems that you have been banned for 2.5 Combat Logging earlier today... I will be noting the threats to report (2.8) on your profile.

@Mustafa Jalalai, I'd advise next time take more care and make sure you are shooting at the correct target, at this moment I can see in the chat log that just prior you shot and INS which does confirm you where fighting officers at the time. It was the fog of war but I'd still like to ask you as stated previously to take more care in the future. At this time you will not be getting a warning as this was an unfortunate accident, and you did try to resolve it in a more suitable manner. 

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Your report has been dealt with, but perhaps not in the way you originally envisaged.

Whether this is beneficial or disadvantageous to you will depend entirely on the situation, and staff will have taken the most-appropriate action in the circumstances.

 
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