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Report a Player - Mark - Other (Action Taken)

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Cozza

Cozza

Banned
Your In-game name

[TDG] Cozza

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Mark

Date of the incident

10/09/17

Time of the incident (GMT)

2130

What best describes this incident ?

Other

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

We stopped at Kore Drug dearler to intercept a drug related truck. howerver in the proccess a red hatchback pulls up, tauting us (bating) looking for a gun fight.lacey repeatedly tells them to go away which they do not listen to and keep driving backwards and forwards past us looking for us to initiate on them so they can get a gun fight. in my opinion i would class this as bating which is against the rules. As you can see in the video they decide to drive away for a minute or two then come back and get out of the vehicle and decide to start waving at us (taunting) Lacey then asks him another few times to leave and he just dosent listen. The RP from them was terrible and they clearly wernt there to talk.
(3.7) Baiting - Baiting for the sake of a gunfight is not roleplay. Punishment is a ban. Examples: Flying over someone with a chopper waiting for warning shots to instantly shoot them back, robbing a service station with the intent of a gunfight, etc.

Here are both of Laceys videos from her POV. For some reason the audio is messed up so ive provided my own video that shows my POV of the situation.
https://youtu.be/xPnCR5tUWK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmzBu3Qsiys&feature=youtu.be

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjCICZUMEF4
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

No

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 
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First off I was unarmed I litterly could not put any initiation in to either effect what these guys were doing or the indecidual. The way she was shouting with initiations at the very beginning gave Morrison’s all right to act hostile back and open fire.  I litterly hoped out the car asking is everything okay, and all that was returned was shouting “get out the fucking area now you know what will happen” not once was I hostile all I had made any attempt to threaten their life’s. My intentions were not to rob the gang which I felt was very clear since again after that initiation no counter initiation or hostile actions were retuned by Morrison’s. However as this report has been put up I feel that raising the point that there was no RP at all from the TDG. I tried to create some as I asked if she was okay or needed any help. The only words that came out her mouth were leave the fucking are and stop running your mouth, which was at this point I was asking if she was okay.You can even see that the gang are litterly just initiating on every hobo that is running about clearly not giving any RP even if it is for help.Sadly I haven’t got this on record as at the time this was not brought upto me that it was an issue and I could’ve recorded the last 10 minutes to show my POV.  Even after she had killed me it took Morrison’s a while to kill her the fact that she was running in an open road and was able to execute me with little to no RP also which I took without thinkIng of reporting as the only words sayed were “I fucking told you” was then shot. This further backs up the point that none of Morrison’s were ready or wanting to get into a gunfight until I was exicuted where they then took action. This was also evident as our red sports hatchback which I was in had to flee as we weren’t expecting this.

I feel like this report has been posted behind my back so that I can put any evidence in however, they not once showed any signs of being hard done by or that they had and issue only now did I find out that I had a report against me if it was brought upto me I wouldbe been able to prove my point of view and that I litterly was only there to help. 

 
Mark__ said:
First off I was unarmed I litterly could not put any initiation in to either effect what these guys were doing or the indecidual.
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Where to start here... You  drove around in your hatchback with your mates ... we saw your friends moving to positions and getting set up and then YOU got out of the car with no gun waving at us and basically baiting us to initiate on you. In my opinion you already had the intention of a gunfight in mind thats why you had ifrits in the area spotting etc...

I'd like to also add the fact that previous to you showing up .... We had robbed a guy selling weed at the dealer and were in the process of selling it... Then a black SUV turns up and jumps out with a gun, he gets told to leave and he tries to kill Aulton and he ends up dying. Then after that you guys show up in a hatchback and jump out with guns , realistically we could have deemed you involved right there and killed you but we didn't we thought we would tell you to leave the area instead of shooting you, you became quite cocky all of a sudden so thats when lacey started to get annoyed. For a guy that was unarmed you had a really bad attitude towards a heavily armed group of people. You got told dozens of times to leave and you still carried on being cheeky and winding us up... thats when your friends started getting into positions on the hills and you were driving backwards and forwards repeatedly past us ... you could of just left the situation when told but no.... You then decide to get out without a gun and start waving at us ... so Lacey tells you to leave again.. you then still choose to ignore our demands which results in you being shot, immediately after you were shot you laughed at us then Lacey gets shot. Thats when ifrits and everything where spotted.

Maybe @Fallen has a recording of the incident as he was apart of the bait as he decamps out of the red hatchback and sets up.

Mark__ said:
This further backs up the point that none of Morrison’s were ready or wanting to get into a gunfight
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Your saying that Morrisons was not ready for a gunfight? But if you look at the video provided below you can see Fallen running for a position and trying to get set up... You had guys on hills and in ifrits etc... As soon as Lacey executed Mark she was shot dead .. so too say that you were not set up ready for a gunfight is ridiculous.

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If you look in Lacey's video .. as soon as you are executed she is killed instantly... 

Also your RP wasn't great either because when you get told to leave the area multiple times all you reply with is 'OR WHAT' over and over again which is terrible RP in my opinion .. Lacey replies 'you will see what im going to do' ... You then carry on saying it .. this is you trying to get us to initiate.

 
No need to provoke people in here only the one(s) reported and the reporter can reply. No need to act out. Stay within limits.

 
Handy said:
I wasn’t in the car, I was nearby (not in a vehicle) and I didn’t shadowplay this
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So you were in the area setup?? nice one

 
First off I would like to apologise for the other gang members getting involved. Also Cozza if you have some sort of vendetta against Morrisons please say rather than trying to report everyone.

You say that “ You  drove around in your hatchback with your mates ... we saw your friends moving to positions and getting set up and then YOU got out of the car with no gun waving at us and basically baiting us to initiate on you. This is a complete lie, when i first arrived i jumped out the car as soon as we stopped asking if you needed any help again as previously stated all you said was “fuck off” “not going to tell you one more time” “ you know what is going to happen” this here would have been the perfect opportunity for me & my gang to counter initiate and take you all out.  I told the gang members not to do anything as there was no need to get into a gunfight over a half sold Zamak.

Then you say that “you became quite cocky all of a sudden so that's when lacey started to get annoyed. “ If you relate to the video I hopped out the car and instantly Lacy was being aggressive from the start. Now if you need to lie about the facts and go out your way to ban other members from the community is not the nicest. However from the point after I offered my help and got nothing but threats in return, I will admit I was being cheeky, however the way i was spoke to I was not happy.

You now say “thats when your friends started getting into positions on the hills and you were driving backwards and forwards repeatedly past us ... you could of just left the situation” why would I leave this be when my life has just been threatened by the looks of a trigger happy gang after offering them nothing but help would i let this by. “You then decide to get out without a gun and start waving at us” again proving the fact that i had not gun now at this point when i was waving I did call in backup as i couldn't initiate due to the fact AGAIN I had no gun. I was sat around 200m away from where you last where and as you ran i ran back obviously not wanting you to do anything to me and as i stood waiting for more people i was then shot. There is no intention of baiting here, you said leave so i fled to the main road.

“Your saying that Morrisons was not ready for a gunfight? But if you look at the video provided below you can see Fallen running for a position and trying to get set up” again after you threatened my life.

As soon as Lacey executed Mark she was shot dead” So If Fallen was so called "set up" how didn't he kill Lacy in the 11 seconds it took for her to return to my body and execute me??

Also your RP wasn't great either because when you get told to leave the area multiple times all you reply with is 'OR WHAT' over and over again which is terrible RP in my opinion” Find this funny again get as I said “or what” two times before i just said “chill out” and that we were here to help, which lacy responds “I don't want to be fucking chill”. Maybe if it were not for your aggression could situation would not have escalated and have ending with you all being killed?

Finally i’d like to ask if the only reason you didn’t come and speak to me about the situation is because I am part of the morrisons group, as TDG and other gangs tend to not like us a lot as seen in the picture. This is not the only time this has happened however it's an example of what is said to us and about us by TDG and “Other” gangs 

https://gyazo.com/e420fd0e01cb8ff5620f95ed4b903598

 
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first off that gyazo you have provided has got nothing to do with the situation that has happened here so i do not know why you have felt the need to input that.. however .. in terms of you getting out of the car to 'help' us is ridiculous. You got out with guns right after we had just killed someone .. of course we are going to ask you to leave the area... you then proceed to say 'or what' 'or what' this is you getting us to say what you need in order to mow us down. You had guys set up from the get go. You were not trying to be nice your intentions were obvious. You say fallen was running for a position because we 'threatened your life', you pulled up and were asked too leave... you were asked to leave more then enough times. You then say 'or what' 'or what' so Lacey responds 'you don't want to know what will happen'. she has not threatened your life at any time in that conversation so there was no meaning for all of your boys too start taking positions. Like i said , you were there specifically for the gunfight, its more than obvious.

 
Shame you didnt link what was said previously by people as someone in morrisons had said to me you're sad because you want to join or words to that efect ,   and i replied with whats showing in the gyazo ,  It was banter and everyone was having a laugh in OOC ,  staff can go through the logs it was not malicious , You trying to get me in trouble now by posting gyazos ,  im not going to sit here and not defend myself 

 
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John Dillinger said:
Shame you didnt link what was said previously by people as someone in morrisons had said to me you're sad because you want to join or words to that efect ,   and i replied with whats showing in the gyazo ,  It was banter and everyone was having a laugh in OOC ,  staff can go through the logs it was not malicious , You trying to get me in trouble now by posting gyazos ,  im not going to sit here and not defend myself 
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In no way was this trying to get you into shit, was merely used as an example to show that this may have been the reason i wasn't confronted.  And I further emphasise if I was told it was an issue i could've saved the last 10 mins to further support my responses. 

This is beginning to go back and forth. In all honesty I jumped out the car to role play, then as this happened i was threatened i'm not even lying but I've said all i have to say. Auxen if you require any further answers about my actions please say however I have responded to all the allegations against my and replied  in all honesty.

 
So reading through all this, looks like both parties have reached the end of the debate and are now going round in circles. All questions I would have had have been answered in the posts above.

Having cut to the bone, basically what it sounds like your saying Mark is you weren't baiting them for a gun fight, were only there to roleplay, but rather than simply leave peacefully when asked to do so (multiple times) your ego is the reason you decided to keep going back (because they made a threat) before calling in your gang. Usually when someone (unarmed) is asked to leave the area by a group of heavily armed criminals, they leave. There's nothing complicated about it. In terms of RP, you wanted them all dead, and risk the lives of your gang because they 'threatened you'.

I'm informed you asked your gang for help, but I'm confused as to what it was you needed help with since the TDG guys made if clear that your life would only be in danger if you failed to leave the area. You made a conscious decision and failed to value your life by ignoring them and taunting them with I believe "What the fuck are you going to do?" 

I'm also informed that the reason you kept going back was in order to give your gang time to get there. Yet again, I'm drawn back to the fact you could simply have walked away.  It doesn't make sense that you're claiming you didn't want a gun fight yet did everything to ensure it would happen, but failed to do the one simple thing that would have avoided it. 

With all that said, I don't think the aggressive nature of TDG helped the situation, but they were carrying out a tense RP robbery, and I think being aggressive fits in with how they would react to someone trying to interfere.

Does anyone have anything further to say before we make a decision on this.

 
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