Report a Player - Macdonald - Other

[NotStrix]

Your In-game name

Strix

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Macdonald

Date of the incident

02/09/18

Time of the incident (GMT)

1339

What best describes this incident ?

Other

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

I was at a scene where multiple officers and group members had congregated as we had colleagues downed and being aided by medics. the situation was from our perspective a bit of a laugh and entirely non-hostile.
There were members of our group whom had previously obtained police cars through various interactions earlier and they were driving them around the scene.
I’m not entirely sure how it came to be but one of the cars was lacking its tyres, however its occupant chose to continue to drive. 2 officers (SGT Temper & Masked Player) approached the vehicle, Temper appeared to make light of the situation saying “we have plenty more (referring to the hatchback)”. However, as a group member started to repair the vehicle, Masked player later identified as Macdonald, says “do you wanna keep driving? The only reason I’m not shooting your tyres is cus the medics are here….and you’ve stolen another one of our cars, good one, no, if you keep repairing your going to be tased, come on” and then immediately tases him. No time to comply was given. (2.2?)
He then says “do you wanna hop out the car, before I pull you out and tackle you to the ground” he then immediately impounds the vehicle, which we immediately question but then he continues to impound more vehicles.
We all get into a hummingbird and leave.
At this point I got to TeamSpeak, ask the senior ranking officer in the room if he was aware of the occurrence to which he responds ‘speak to him’
So, I messaged MacDonald to come to liaison.
Upon entering liaison, I felt MacDonald’s attitude was a little hostile and after telling him that our opinion of what he did was wrong, he immediate replied what you talking about I’m allowed to impound cars. Due to the hostility within the room and to prevent further escalation I left the room, he has since made no contact with me.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMI&feature=youtu.be
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

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[MacDonald]

Your video doesn't work, ill respond to the main matter when it does, however I will deal with your exaggerated claims of toxicity now.

So you call me to liaison, i join. You then aggressively and confidently tell me I exploited. So I respond and ask how impounding a car is exploiting, you then get audibly more irritated and say something along the lines of "SO YOU DON'T THINK IT WAS EXPLOITING!?!??!?!?". I then ask again, what part of what I did was exploiting. You left. Now, i'm not sure how you perceived it but it seems to me you just couldn't handle your temper and left. bear in mind i'm still mid situation at this point. A gunfight starts (For the 3rd time from the same group within a couple of hours, quote related)

obtained police cars through various interactions

, after which. I decide to go and get some exercise to prevent myself becoming a fat fuck. On my return I am informed i've been reported, yay. So I hop down to your lobby and you say that "I had enough chances", because clearly after you abruptly leave a liaison it is my responsibility to go talk to you as soon as humanly possible .

driving them around the scene.

That's also a very nice fancy way of saying "Driving round cops for 5-10 minutes and stopping right next to them to antagonize them and bait for a gunfight, again."

 

[NotStrix]

Its interesting that you suggest we were baiting for a gun fight when its obvious we were all there for the same reason , to wait for our downed team mates. The mentality that any rebels hanging around police is baiting is simply ridiculous , other officers were fine with what was going on , some even having a laugh , but you clearly take things too far.

As you were there and aware of the situation , im not sure why you cant answer the accusation without video, or at the very least review your own footage.We made clear at the scene that you were breaching "government Guidelines" yet you continue your actions.

Quite often i become involved in situations with the police, where we seek some degree of role play and have a bit of a laugh and sadly most end up in a gunfight , usually because if anything the police use the 'roleplay' time to setup , and then go from friendly and having a laugh into frag happy mode. And then we are called baitey.

The fact is regardless of the lead up to the scenario , you seriously damaged the immersion for most of us and exploited your police 'powers' to protect assets from our possesion. All whilst failing to maintain the expected degree of high quality roleplay.

* As is quite normal now for me , i wont be replying to this report any further unless directed to do so by staff or absolutely necessary.

 

[MacDonald]

Is that why you kidnapped an officer at the closest oppurtunity afterwards then. Hmm.

Also dont remember being told about government regulations being broken but oh well.

And if you want to call breakimg immersion how about your mate talking while knocked out.

 

[MacDonald]

At around 2:20 you ask your mates if they want to kidnap us.

You didnt hotmic

You proved you were there to kidnap us

Had you have hotmiced the situation would have played out differently.

4:38 "Please initiate please initiate" not hotmiced, yet again.

If you really wanted to keep the car why didnt you take any action in the first place after i got it back in my possesion, or even when i RPed for bob. There was 0 hostility  apart from someone saying they have friends and making no threat. Nobody even approached me. Not combat , so not combat storing in my eyes.

I gave ample time to comply before tazing and decided not to restrain to avoid hostility and habilitate RP.

You really have shot yourself in the foot here, shown blatant failures to hotmic crucial comms and tactical  information as well as your mates taunting us with cars to provoke us by shouting that they stole it. You cant deny it was you because your name shows up nice and big in the top left when you speak.

 

[NotStrix]

At around 2:20 you ask your mates if they want to kidnap us.

You didnt hotmic

You proved you were there to kidnap us

Had you have hotmiced the situation would have played out differently.

4:38 "Please initiate please initiate" not hotmiced, yet again.

If you really wanted to keep the car why didnt you take any action in the first place after i got it back in my possesion, or even when i RPed for bob. There was 0 hostility  apart from someone saying they have friends and making no threat. Nobody even approached me. Not combat , so not combat storing in my eyes.

I gave ample time to comply before tazing and decided not to restrain to avoid hostility and habilitate RP.

You really have shot yourself in the foot here, shown blatant failures to hotmic crucial comms and tactical  information as well as your mates taunting us with cars to provoke us by shouting that they stole it. You cant deny it was you because your name shows up nice and big in the top left when you speak.

I dont think mentioning kidnapping in passing is considered proof.

No group hotmic's all there comms because if they did there would be out of rp stuff said all over the place and as it was said in passing and not something that was being taken seriously , i dont think its relevent. 

In terms of the second @ 4:38 you might note i stop abruptly with a sudden "ope" when i realise i hadnt hotmiced... were all capable of making mistakes.

The term 'Combat Storing' or in this case impounding ,

(2.6) Combat storing, such as storing a vehicle whilst you are being chased or to prevent roleplay will result in a ban.

as you can see by the RPUK examples , doesnt just mean  Combat in the literal sense and what you did was store a vehicle to prevent roleplay. 

Time to comply was not given , theres sometimes a slight delay in getting out of the animation for repairs and in no way did the victim have time to hear, process, and respond to your rushed and entirely disproportionate action. It was also pointed out to me when bringing this to staff that the quality of your roleplay before tasing was insufficient to meet the requirements of this community.

((2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban).)

You seem to be defending a series of obviously wrong actions by trying to pick issues with the rest of the rebel group , what happenned before (way before) and after this event have no bearing on your actions in this case.

You may wish to attack the actions of the group but on occassions before and after this incident myself and others had been involved in taking police officers involved in rti's to the hospital. 

If you truly wish to attack me based on a couple of failures to hotmic trivial things then i invite you to upload your footage once again for comparison.

There were a few reasons i asked for the video to be hidden but staff  had full access at all times , im not going to explain why for obvious reasons, Needless to say if staff could see the video and wished to question my actions im sure they will. That doesnt excuse your actions .

Once again id like to state i will not engage in pety squabling in this thread , as such i will only reply if directed to do so by staff or if entirely appropriate.

 

[MacDonald]

You say that you just mentioned kidnapping as if you didnt just blatantly suggest kidnapping and then go on to give out out numbers and locations. Hmm. Doesnt seem "trivial" to me. Im not saying you have to hotmic everything, thats clearly dumb, but you didnt hotmic the important stuff which the rule is there to ensure is hotmiced.

And are you sure about it being RDM? Im being genuine here when i believe that non-lethal doesnt actually require the same level of "initiation" as lethal. If i did do wrong there then thats my bad, but I saw no intent for them to be leaving the car alone so used my tazer and focussed on the main culprit, the driver, whos vehicle i couldnt make come to a complete halt due to the medics being nearby and not wanting to disturb roleplay. There was a good few seconds to comply, they knew what i said and they ignored it. I had already had to use non lethal force against them earlier which increased my hastiness to taze.

As for the impound, my intentions were not to prevent roleplay or anything of the like. In my eyes the vehicle was sitting practically immovable with nobody in it or trying to take it back, as the driver had got out as requested.

I respect that there must have been some need to have the video hidden, maybe im just stupid but i cant see the reason why.

 

[Nalurah]

About the hostage taking. It wasn't IB about 5 minutes after the hummingbird left some SOS members (not me) attempted and failed to take you hostage.

 

[Valen Bell]

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Please keep checking this report regularly just in case the reviewing staff member has any questions

Thank you for your report and you doing your part to keep our community clean!

Locked for now to stop further silly useless comments. Contact a member of staff if you need anything else to be added.

 

[Valen Bell]

I am honestly quite disappointed to the replies made from both sides here trying to dig the other ones hole deeper or shove some dirt back into their hole to try and get out of it. Not the responses I ever want to see again here so keep it bloody civil and mature next time (if there ever is).

Now onto report itself I see that you wanted your evidence hidden which is not going to happen, you fuck up you own up and trying to get it hidden only raises my brows in the wrong way for you and certainly does not help your case so next time do not attempt it. After watching the video I see that you and a few of your gang do indeed talk about hostile/ingame roleplay actions against the cops there and discussing tactics which is quite clearly a nono but you seem to be quite aware now that you should not do that and I hope to never ever so much as hear a whisper that yourself or any of your fellow gang mates that were discussing do it again without also saying it ingame as well. This will be the one and only warning you get for it in this case, do not let me down and fuckup again.

And finally, onto Macdonald, I am curious do you really believe what you did was to a high standard? Impounding like that to avoid the already stolen vehicle from being touched so you can just run into your car to get away... Bob can be fast but having him just come up and yank a vehicle away inbetween multiple people is not in the good books and leans very very close to a certain rule about abuse of whitelisting and and shit roleplay at that, hell you didn't bother to "ring up" Bob to have him come over to compensate for the fact you have high impounding as well and give the people around you time to respond and manage to stop you from calling him or from it being taken away. For now take this as a warning to wise up and use some common sense next time, take some time to learn about "Powergaming" and you should find it helpful in understanding how what you did provides no roleplay and actually cuts off any potential from that path.

Strix - Warning (Read above)

Haarry - Warning (Read above)

Macdonald - Warning (Read above)

 

[Valen Bell]

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