Report a Player - [LSS] Pvt Niall - RDM (Action Taken)

[Cool]

Your In-game name

C O O L

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

[LSS] Pvt Niall

Date of the incident

10/06/18

Time of the incident (GMT)

1210

What best describes this incident ?

RDM

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

Wanted to rob hurons. I turned up on scene. I said Hello to a guy. He then talked to me and I couldnt hear what he said. There was 2 hummingbirds hovering above us at the time and I had deep earplugs and still couldnt hear him. I tell him I cant hear whats hes saying, but im going to pull out my gun since I am scared for my life. I pullout my gun and he shoots me. On ts afterwards he said he did nothing wrong. He apparently told me to "back off or be shot". Watching my video back I still cant hear that, but lets pretend that he did say it. Even he had said that it would be RDM or at least poor roleplay since I simply pulled out my gun. Had he said if I pull a gun he would shoot me then the initiation would have been too bad bearing in mind that I would be able to hear it that is. Anyways he says hes done nothing wrong.

Not sure if RDM or poor quaility roleplay. Probably both, but ill leave that to staff. One could argue that I didnt value my life. I had no idea what he was saying and had I heard him I wouldnt have pulled my gun.

EDIT: Before anybody complains about me not hotmicing there is 3 of them vs me. Its because I was refering to the 3 on 1 value of life just stating that I wouldnt be allowed to initiate unless there was more of us. 

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX6fOamafhI&feature=youtu.be
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[MrLongSlong]

I was one of the huron pilots and can be seen in the video wielding a gun,

Niall starts to attempt to talk with you but you unplug ur ear plugs and and plug them back in so he can't heard, thats not Niall problem you can't hear him, he then attempts to talk with you further which you can clearly see in the video, and then you just repeatedly say " I can't hear you", this might be because you have music playing in the background etc which again isn't Nails fault , Niall clearly attempts to talk with you but you keep  shutting down his attempts at RP, after making attempts with talking with you and after initiating on you you pull start to pull out a weapon after failing to comply with his requests.

Also I think it should be noted that in your video you are literally talking about bating the cops into a gun fight doesn't really give a good impression of yourself and OG, As well as this you clearly not hotmicing ur communications when needed.

EDIT: Before anybody complains about me not hotmicing there is 3 of them vs me. Its because I was refering to the 3 on 1 value of life just stating that I wouldnt be allowed to initiate unless there was more of us. 

This is irrelevant as you can clearly see in the video that you knowingly walked into the situation knowing that there was more of us then you.

 

[Cool]

Niall starts to attempt to talk with you but you unplug ur ear plugs and and plug them back in so he can't heard, thats not Niall problem you can't hear him, he then attempts to talk with you further which you can clearly see in the video, and then you just repeatedly say " I can't hear you", this might be because you have music playing in the background etc which again isn't Nails fault , Niall clearly attempts to talk with you but you keep  shutting down his attempts at RP, after making attempts with talking with you and after initiating on you you pull start to pull out a weapon after failing to comply with his requests.

I took ear plugs out in order to put the deeper earplugs in. Took half a second. You can see "Speaking" by his name but you cant hear anything even with deep earplugs. 

Also I think it should be noted that in your video you are literally talking about bating the cops into a gun fight doesn't really give a good impression of yourself and OG, As well as this you clearly not hotmicing ur communications when needed.

This is irrelevant as you can clearly see in the video that you knowingly walked into the situation knowing that there was more of us then you.

Appreciate the pointing fingers game. This is of no relevance to what happened between me and Niall, but if staff wants to bring that up then they are welcome to. Dont see how it affected the situation in any way. Its the same that you are allowed to keychain everybody if you want as long as its not used in roleplay. We talk tons of shit and meme around just like anybody else does. Same when police talks crap about OG and how to piss us off etc. I honestly can not be asked pointing fingers and I will leave this for staff to deal with now. Best of luck to us all

 

[MrLongSlong]

I took ear plugs out in order to put the deeper earplugs in. Took half a second. You can see "Speaking" by his name but you cant hear anything even with deep earplugs. 

I’m not really sure what ur talking about here, you quiet clearly can hear him even with ur music playing,maybe in future pause music when ur about to get into an rp situation bud.

Also it clearly affected the situation, if you had hotmiced ur communications then we could of clearly seen ur intentions better and would have responded as a gang and not Just Niall on his own.

 

[Cool]

Alright here we go again....
First off why are you even commenting on this post as you had no role in the situation apart from being at the scene. Only people involved is me and Mr. Niall so unless you got some evidence to provide. There was loads of people at diamond field including my guys, but none of them including you have no involvement with what happened between me and Niall. Since you have already breached this rule below I suggest you get Niall to comment for his own defense instead. 

"Reports are not for commenting on. The only people posting should be the reporter with evidence, and the accused with their defence. If an misunderstanding is made, do not delete your messages, this can lead to more trouble. The only other posters should be those with evidence or directly involved with evidence to hand. Violating this will result in a forum warning point with a 7 day suspension."

Okay so I didnt hotmic saying its 3 to 1. As I explained i did this out of roleplay to inform my guys that I wouldnt be allowed to initiate. You claim that it affected the situation in the way that if you had heard it then you would have know I was going to rob Mr. Niall. Why would I hotmic next to the people im going to rob that I am going to rob them? My guys were well aware that I was going to rob Mr. Niall. It is normal not to hotmic out of roleplay information. It didnt affect the situation in any way what so ever. Mr. Niall was the guy that shot first and I didnt do anything. Mr. Niall decided to shoot me. His decision was some how affected by me saying out of roleplay its 3 to 1? Seems to be like its stretching far in order to try and turn this around on me, but if staff feels that it some how affected the situation then its fair enough. I personally dont see how it would have affected anything.

Mr. LongSlong states that I shut down Mr. Nialls attempts to roleplay with me. All I did was to pull out my gun and Niall didnt inform me anything about shooting etc. You are able to roleplay with a gun in your hand. Mr. Niall had his gun pointed to my face and I was still calmly talking to him or at least attempted to do so. I pulled out my gun since Mr. Niall had his gun pointed at me and I was scared for my life. I dont see how me pulling out my gun is shutting down roleplay in any way. 50% of all roleplay on the island is done over 2 lowered weapons. Just like Mr. Niall was talking with his gun in his hands I was simply going to do the same. Didnt shut down anything. 

On topic again. Now lets go on to what was said. I will admit you can hear more than I heard in the heat of the moment. 

2:41 "Back off. Back off"

2:52 "Whats going on buddy" Not sure if this is Niall. It sounded like it came from behind also why I look behind me

2:54 Niall: "What are you doing" - Me "I got no clue what you are saying, but im going to pull out my gun as im scared"

2:59 Niall shoots me

To recap on this all Mr. Niall tells me to do is to "Back off". At no point does he threaten me. He asks me "What are you doing". I am not sure why but in the moment I didnt catch that question I must have been focused on something else. Not sure if music, ts or hovering helicopter was due to this, but that was my bad. I decide to pull out my gun since he has pulled his on me and I have no idea what his intentions are and I am on the floor by myself. As I pull it out I am gunned down. Mr. Niall  shooting me is based on him simply saying "Back off". One could argue that would be sufficient for it not be straight up RDM as he did tell me to "back off". Then it would still be classed as low quality roleplay. Clearly saying "back off" isnt seen as high quality roleplay to kill somebody. I calmy informed Mr. Niall that I didnt hear what he said and that I was going to pull out my gun, but he still decided to shoot me based on him saying "back off".

What I would like is Mr. Niall to explain his actions considering these two rules:

(2.2) Random Deathmatch (also known as RDM) - Shooting at someone without engaging in any form of quality role play (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. Count downs are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering shooting.) is considered RDM. (Punishment is a ban)

(7.1.3) Killing someone must be carried out with high quality roleplay, “put your hands up or I will shoot” etc is considered low quality RP and may lead to a ban for RDM/Fail RP. Executing another player must also be carried out with high quality roleplay, the only exception to this rule is if both you and the victim are engaged in a gunfight together.

I am not interested in any more comments from anybody but Niall and Staff. It is pretty clear that this situation is involving only me and Mr. Niall. And it doesnt seem like Mr. LongSlong has any evidence to provide about the situation and he was not involved apart from being in the area like many others. 

 

[nialldixon]

I have not replied before this as I do not deal with arguments well and tend to get quite heated. due too this I will keep it short and sweet. You in the video are seen taking your earplugs out making the background noise overwhelming which covers my voice. I don't know if it has occurred to you that my initiation "or you'll be shot" was during this point as you can still clearly see my "talking" without this in mind you accuse me of bad RP but you don't realise that you taking your gun out is a danger to my life and after just saying that you may be shot leads me to assume that you were going to shoot me. with this in mind I had no other option as it was clear you were trying to rob me as the hummingbirds were over both of the Huron's and based on all of this I decided to shoot. in my eyes this was justified and it is clear in the video you were not there for a role-play situation but for a potential gunfight. with this in mind, was taking a weapon out on a guy who has one pointing at your head good role-play? and if you were truly "threatened" it would have been in your best interests to comply and not pull a gun on me as this shows a high level of hostility towards me ad if there was no weapon pulled out there would have been continuing role-play between us both. and you taking this weapon out is the reason that the role-play could not continue. as seen in my past history I'm not one to automatically kill someone or rob someone, I would rather join in with the role-play instead of making their day bad by stealing their Huron which they have probably worked their entire RPUK career on. and making their role-play experience the best it can be is the best option and you would have realised this if you had not pulled the gun on me and you would have not been shot. based on this I believe that this situation was not ruined by me but ruined by your poor decision take your firearm off your back. And also if you would like to speak in TS again as we did not get to talk civilly last time just message me and we will make it happen. I didn't really get to concentrate as the rest of your gang was chasing me which was fine as its not against any rule but we may be able to clear up the gaps that are missing.

 

[Cool]

 you don't realise that you taking your gun out is a danger to my life and after just saying that you may be shot leads me to assume that you were going to shoot me. with this in mind I had no other option as it was clear you were trying to rob me as the hummingbirds were over both of the Huron's and based on all of this I decided to shoot. in my eyes this was justified and it is clear in the video you were not there for a role-play situation but for a potential gunfight. 

Me taking my gun is not a danger to your life? I calmly informed you that I was going to take it out as I was scared for my life. You drew your gun at me when i turned up and that is a perfectly normal reaction on the island. It happens all the time. Usually when you draw your weapon and somebody they will draw their own weapon as they are scared of what you might do. If I would have shot you based on you saying "back off" that would have been poor roleplay on my part. I made my intention very clear and explained to you I was going to pull out my gun and why I was doing it. Just because somebody threatens your life doenst mean you can just gun them down. And as you can see in the only evidence provided you never even threatened my life. 

in my eyes this was justified and it is clear in the video you were not there for a role-play situation but for a potential gunfight. with this in mind, was taking a weapon out on a guy who has one pointing at your head good role-play? and if you were truly "threatened" it would have been in your best interests to comply and not pull a gun on me as this shows a high level of hostility towards me ad if there was no weapon pulled out there would have been continuing role-play between us both. and you taking this weapon out is the reason that the role-play could not continue.

This is explained above and seen in evidence. All you said on record is "back off". I dont see that as a threat in any way. I had multiple people in the area and I was armed with a bigger gun than you and you didnt threaten my life. You claim pulling a gun shows a high level of hostility yet you drew your gun at me for saying "Hello" to you. You pulling a gun didnt affect my roleplay and I dont see it should that I pulled mine out. You claim because that I pull out my weapon then roleplay could not continue? I dont understand this. Why is it we can not both have our guns out and roleplay. Are you the one only one allowed to have a gun out in order for roleplay to happen? Just because you have a gun pointed at me and I pull out my gun doesnt mean you can kill me or that roleplay can not go on. Me pulling a gun is the reason roleplay cant go on according to you, but why doesnt your gun do the same?

 as seen in my past history I'm not one to automatically kill someone or rob someone, I would rather join in with the role-play instead of making their day bad by stealing their Huron which they have probably worked their entire RPUK career on. and making their role-play experience the best it can be is the best option and you would have realised this if you had not pulled the gun on me and you would have not been shot. based on this I believe that this situation was not ruined by me but ruined by your poor decision take your firearm off your back. And also if you would like to speak in TS again as we did not get to talk civilly last time just message me and we will make it happen. I didn't really get to concentrate as the rest of your gang was chasing me which was fine as its not against any rule but we may be able to clear up the gaps that are missing.

 I have never met you before on the server or seen you on the forums before so I wouldnt know your history. When we spoke on teamspeak you were certain that you did nothing wrong and that it was all my fault because I didnt hear you telling me to leave or die. In your reply you state you have done nothing wrong so dont see much point in having a chat. If you had apologized and offered compensation etc then it would never have gotten this far in the first place

 

[nialldixon]

Me taking my gun is not a danger to your life? I calmly informed you that I was going to take it out as I was scared for my life. You drew your gun at me when i turned up and that is a perfectly normal reaction on the island. It happens all the time. Usually when you draw your weapon and somebody they will draw their own weapon as they are scared of what you might do. If I would have shot you based on you saying "back off" that would have been poor roleplay on my part. I made my intention very clear and explained to you I was going to pull out my gun and why I was doing it. Just because somebody threatens your life doenst mean you can just gun them down. And as you can see in the only evidence provided you never even threatened my life. 

This is explained above and seen in evidence. All you said on record is "back off". I dont see that as a threat in any way. I had multiple people in the area and I was armed with a bigger gun than you and you didnt threaten my life. You claim pulling a gun shows a high level of hostility yet you drew your gun at me for saying "Hello" to you. You pulling a gun didnt affect my roleplay and I dont see it should that I pulled mine out. You claim because that I pull out my weapon then roleplay could not continue? I dont understand this. Why is it we can not both have our guns out and roleplay. Are you the one only one allowed to have a gun out in order for roleplay to happen? Just because you have a gun pointed at me and I pull out my gun doesnt mean you can kill me or that roleplay can not go on. Me pulling a gun is the reason roleplay cant go on according to you, but why doesnt your gun do the same?

 I have never met you before on the server or seen you on the forums before so I wouldnt know your history. When we spoke on teamspeak you were certain that you did nothing wrong and that it was all my fault because I didnt hear you telling me to leave or die. In your reply you state you have done nothing wrong so dont see much point in having a chat. If you had apologized and offered compensation etc then it would never have gotten this far in the first place

I did say if i had done something wrong i would have comped you but i dont believe i did. I explained that i said back off or youll be shot which may have not been completely clear in the video and pulling out earplugs knowingly clearly did not help the situation. And i did not pull my gun out because you said hello i pulled it out because there was a helly hovering over the huron and therefore i knew that you were there to rob me and thats why i told you to back off or ill shoot and then i said back off twice again which can be more clearly heard. At the end of the day you did not lose anything as you were to my knowledge picked up so there was no compensation needed at the time. If my information is wrong then i can not be bothered to argue and longer and will comp even though in teamspeak you said you didnt want comp but you only wanted to take it further. If you would like comp mesaage me privately and i will get it sorted out after proof of gear is provided for an acurate compensation.

 

[Cool]

 If my information is wrong then i can not be bothered to argue and longer and will comp even though in teamspeak you said you didnt want comp but you only wanted to take it further.

I would love to see some evidence backing up this accusation. At no point did I say that I all I wanted was to take it further and that I didnt want compensation. I said that it was not about the compensation, but about you being aware of what you had done wrong. You said to me that you did nothing wrong and was the reason it has come to this. If you had admitted your mistake then I would be more than happy to take the compensation and call it a day, but you it seems to me like you are offering compensation to avoid further action and not because you believe you done anything wrong. 

 

[nialldixon]

Look mate we can keep going back and forth but im in the middle of GCSEs and cant be doing this all the time if you want comp so be it if not we will see what the admins think of the situation. If im honest i can see it from both sides of view if i was recordin it would have been sorted but only got recording softwhere yesterday which i am now going to use in thies types of situations. I believe that the rp could have been better on both sides and tbh i should have realised that it was a 5 to 1 situation and you could not initiate on us anyway but it is done and i stand by my statement rhat i said baco off or youll be shot and then repeated back off again twice. But if your hellis werent hovvering directly next to and infron of us we would not be in the situation now as we would have been able to hear each other.

 

[Cool]

Look mate we can keep going back and forth but im in the middle of GCSEs and cant be doing this all the time if you want comp so be it if not we will see what the admins think of the situation. If im honest i can see it from both sides of view if i was recordin it would have been sorted but only got recording softwhere yesterday which i am now going to use in thies types of situations. I believe that the rp could have been better on both sides and tbh i should have realised that it was a 5 to 1 situation and you could not initiate on us anyway but it is done and i stand by my statement rhat i said baco off or youll be shot and then repeated back off again twice. But if your hellis werent hovvering directly next to and infron of us we would not be in the situation now as we would have been able to hear each other.

Again you go "if you want comp then so be it". It is not about if I want comp or not. Its about you seeing what you did wrong. Anyways Ill leave it for staff to deal with now

 

[TikTak]

Okay so after reviewing the video and discussing it i have come to the conclusion that action will be taken against both sides.

@nialldixon It is your responsibility to make sure the person that you are initiation on is able to hear your initiation, you should therefor be cautious when initiating near helicopters. In this case Cool did state he couldn't hear you and did do what he could to hear you better (switching from normal earplugs to stuffed earplugs). You still shot him even tho he did what he could to inform you he couldn't hear you. In this case the music was not loud enough to be a distraction.

@Cool 

EDIT: Before anybody complains about me not hotmicing there is 3 of them vs me. Its because I was refering to the 3 on 1 value of life just stating that I wouldnt be allowed to initiate unless there was more of us. 

It is no actual rule about 3 to 1 and you did share information that would have impacted the roleplay scenario. You should know better then this and therefor will receive a ban for the offence.

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