Report a Player - LOV/U9 [Both Gangs] - RDM<br>Poor/Low Quality RP

[Bravo]

Your In-game name

PC Bravo

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

LOV/U9 [Both Gangs]

Date of the incident

06/09/2016

Time of the incident (GMT)

1945

What best describes this incident ?

RDM
Poor/Low Quality RP

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 2

Please (in detail) describe the incident

15 minutes before server restart, the HM Treasury alarm was activated. As the first on the scene to an HM Treasury incident, I walked into the HM compound unarmed to see if negotiations could be made. No one came to greet me, and as I was half way into the compound, the blasting charge was placed. I turned around and ran as fast as I could out of the compound and jumped into my car in an attempt to drive away. As soon as I entered the car, my driver (PC Mathias) was shot dead by [U9] Dark and I was seriously injured. I was then killed by [LOV] Sir Liam shortly afterwards.

My main issues with this incident are as follows;

1) It was 15 minutes before server restart, which left no time to complete a successful robbery/transport/store or sale of gold.
2) The gangs had no vehicles in the compound waiting to transport the gold.
3) No one was sent to speak to the negotiator and it felt like I was allowed to walk far into the compound on purpose before they placed to the charge and shot.
4) No words were spoken to the negotiator at any time - a simple "we don't wan't to negotiate" would have been fine. Instead we were shot as soon as we stepped out of the compound.

These points lead me to believe that this was not an attempt at an HM Treasury, but simply a serious bait exercise as an excuse to kill police officers. If anything it is seriously fail RP, and borderline RDM not to mention blatant baiting.

Having spoken to [U9] Dark in Teamspeak with a mentor and staff member present along with another police officer who was also complaining, when asked how would he change his actions, the reply given was "I wouldn't rob the bank so close to restart" and when asked as to why there was a lack of vehicles, the explanation given was the truck driver had a connection problem and would be arriving later, which was then changed to we were going to use our hatchbacks.

I would have liked to have resolved the situation but I feel a real lack of understanding as to the issues raised was demonstrated.

This a something that needs to be addressed with all the members of LOV and U9 who were working together in this awful example of a HM Treasury Robbery showing complete disregard for the rules.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://youtu.be/V0Vvtqqbvvk

This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Dark]

Firstly, we wanted to do a bank operation. We was planning it around an hour before restart, when we turned up we noticed there was already trucks there so we waited a while for it all to settle, one they had left a few minutes later we decided to make our move. Around 30mins before restart, our plan was to just get the gold and go to dealer as fast as possible. However, we encountered a problem, when the charge was placed and the truck wasn't too far behind entering the compound, the drivers game froze. Causing him to have to change seat and someone else drive the truck. We want back and got the truck and moved in. Whilst this was going on the charge did go off and the truck was moving in, we had two sport's full of gold and they did indeed sell. I did shoot the negotiator however i thought i saw a man get into the vehicle with a weapon. I admit i did wrong and i should have been more aware before pulling the trigger. As for lack of understanding, there is not much that i can say, i admit i did wrong by shooting you and i know i should have been more aware of who i was shooting. 

(7.2.4) When the blasting charge has been planted it is considered that any opportunity for negotiation is over. After this the police may try to storm the building with armed police. At this point any combat is not considered RDM.
Also, about the no words in exchange, the blasting charge was placed which i do believe that we can shoot any cops other than the negotiator if there is one, which you was and as i said before, i was wrong and i should not have done it. Also, you said that i killed the negotiator in teamspeak, which i did not. After reading the above, i shot you, however didn't kill you. However i do admit, i should have been more aware. Also, i would like to bring up that, you are not allowed to negotiate as a PC, i believe it is SPC+ and there was indeed a DSGT and a DI online. Another point is, we did not wait for you to get that far into the compound, i looked through the window and saw you running to a car, i shot. I did non of this by purpose it just was all a shit storm. 

I am aware i did wrong, and that i should have been more carefully at who i was shooting. Which i do apologise for. We did try to solve the situation, but there wasn't much to be said. I admitted i did wrong, and i understand how this could be considered baiting from their point of view. However, we had no intention to bait cops. We just wanted to do a bank operation and a lot of problems were encountered. When these problems encountered we should probably have just left and waited until after restart.

 

[Farmer Giles]

Anyone have anything else to say? Review Pending. 

 

[Dark]

I would also like to say, not all of LOV were involved the following were involved. No need to mention the whole gang.

Lords Of Valhalla

- John Carter
- JStar
- Liam
- Matt Ajazuri
- Husky 

Unit Nine

- Myself
- Handy
- Rickey
- Joseph

That's it.

 

[Madmatt150]

Hello, DSGT Madmatt here

So with the situation I will state this, I was currently on a NCA patrol with officers, we saw the messages "Weapon at bank...someone is breaking in...charge has been placed" This was around 19:45, so 15 minutes till restart. We moved as soon as the charge was placed, we were in contact with Bravo at the HM, he stated someone was shooting from south hill, we went and saw someone opening fire on them. We lost contact and GPS of Bravo and my officer who I was with. 

At the point on the hill, we saw no car's moving from the HM, even though that is that Dark stated, that they were moving it in hatchbacks. Anyway, I'm moving down the hill being followed by two hatchbacks, I see one is armed in the passenger seat, they are both waiting for me to turn to decamp and kill me. Once my view moves to one, the other decamps and shoots at me, I return fire and the other hatchback pulls up behind me and tries to kill me. 

After that I died a little later, I wasn't happy with the situation as.

1) 15 minutes from restart, seems very odd, yes their was a HM before, but why are gangs hitting it all the time, seems they like to shoot more than talk.

2) Why were you so content in killing us all?

3) why was the charged placed ASAP?

4) Why couldn't you have waited till restart?

Dark did come to TS after, @DI Tampax and @Thesoldierwere both present in the channel. Dark did state that they wanting to do a HM earlier, and that the truck driver did disconnect and that they were moving it in hatchbacks. From the police coms that I heard, no point was any sports seen entering/leaving the HM.

Honestly, I think this has been a pure and simple baiting for a gunfight with police, not to mention the fact that the unarmed negotiator was killed, and though we do prefer SPC+ to do it, we do allow PC's to negotiate HM, I did when I was PC. 

Anyway, that's me, @Farmer Gilesgave his permission for my statement.

 

[Bravo]

(7.2.3) The Police will always send in a unarmed negotiator in a marked police car who will drive up to the entrance and make himself known. This is part of the treasury robbery process. You can either start roleplay with the negotiator, or decline negotiations by asking him to leave. You cannot kill him - he must leave, and if killed it is bannable.

How can the negotiator leave if you attempt to kill him as soon as he is outside the walls of the HM Treasury?

"This is your operation with the friends/members that are there with you. You may not call for backup, only those on site at the beginning of the heist may take part. "

If the truck was on its way and not onsite, surely there is a problem there also?

Sgt MadMatt also had a complaint from the same incident where he was circled by two hatchback sports, who were attempting to get in front and behind to decamp and kill him with no RP. Yes, the charge had been placed, but in my eyes (and his) this reinforced the idea that it was a cop killing exercise and nothing else.

 

[Dark]

 and that the truck driver did disconnect and that they were moving it in hatchbacks.

When we spoke, he froze and then he moved seat. 

 

1) 15 minutes from restart, seems very odd, yes their was a HM before, but why are gangs hitting it all the time, seems they like to shoot more than talk.

Seems very bad, however we thought we would have enough time. However, looking at it, it was a very stupid idea.

 

2) Why were you so content in killing us all?

Trying to get away safely and get as much gold as possible.

 

3) why was the charged placed ASAP?

Every gang does it, its the best way for a HM seems when negotiating Police dont have time to set up. My opinion and a lot of others.

 

4) Why couldn't you have waited till restart?

We thought we could have had enough time. However this was very stupid. This was a mistake which i admit. However everyone was up for it. Very bad mistake and this was a very bad idea.

 

Sgt MadMatt also had a complaint from the same incident where he was circled by two hatchback sports, who were attempting to get in front and behind to decamp and kill him with no RP. Yes, the charge had been placed, but in my eyes (and his) this reinforced the idea that it was a cop killing exercise and nothing else.

7.2.4) When the blasting charge has been planted it is considered that any opportunity for negotiation is over. After this the police may try to storm the building with armed police. At this point any combat is not considered RDM. 
Active HM and charge was placed, was allowed to decamp and there is nothing wrong with it. Also, if we would of got out and not trying to decamp, you would have lethaled us on the spot. Like say Police don't decamp as well.

 

If the truck was on its way and not onsite, surely there is a problem there also?

As i said it was a technical problem, we didn't think anything of it. 

I admit, it was bad on my half for killing the negotiator but as i said. I admit i do wrong, however i made a mistake and admitted to it. I never made a lie of anything.

 

[Liam]

I'd like to say that I got an inventory and a hatchback full of gold n which I left the HM sold and never returned to the gunfight as I'm not allowed to do that. I only shot the cop PC Bravo as I heard shots from where he was behind the car with his weapon drawn thinking he was shooting gang members.

 

[Dark]

I would also like to ask, why everyone was blaming me for killing the negotiator, and then in this report you say Liam killed him. I thought Mathias was the negotiator, this is why i admitted to killing him. I'm getting confused in this report...

 

[Liam]

The police man I killed had his weapon drawn aiming at our sniper on the hill. Could we get a longer video Bravo? because I'm sure that you had a weapon out when I killed you.

@Bravo

 

[Liam]

The way that you are lying in this means that you had a weapon drawn otherwise both of your legs would've been straight and not one bent. http://imgur.com/MnNhOk9

 

[Bravo]

Sir Liam, Im not really that bothered about you killing me afterwards, what happened after the initial incident isnt of concern to me, but for the record I ran into a bush behind my car lay down and prayed while car was sprayed continuously haha. I didnt shoot anything. I pulled a taser pistol out just before I died.

I'm not concerned with me dying when I did, but the fact is I would have been shot and killed if Dark had managed to when he tried. Instead he killed the driver.

Im not concerned with specifics, just generally how the whole scenario played out. 

I don't have anything else to add.

 

[Joseph Boot]

Okay so yes maybe doing the HM just before restart wasn't the best of ideas and I admit maybe we should have waited but in the whole scheme of things we had spent a fair while getting it ready and yes maybe it did all go wrong but at the end of the day we went in we got gold, the gold was also then sold so I'm my opinion we set out to do a HM and we achieved our goal maybe not to everyone's liking but the fact that it's being called for cop baiting isn't ridiculous but I wish accusations wouldn't just be thrown around like then mean nothing, I mean yes it may seem a lot like baiting but as dark and everyone else had already shown in the grand scheme of things it's not in my opinion baiting. Now onto the stuff about decamping,I'm not really clear on what the problem is with it as I've had police officers do it to me before so I'm not sure why we get slated for it, you could quite easily shoot me out the car in the situation and if you did I would have no reason to be salty as fair play so at the end of the day it's a tactic used in a gunfight and you have to find ways to combat it. Guess that's all I have to say.

Joseph Boot 

 

[Farmer Giles]

After reviewing the evidence put forward, and info from the resolution in teamspeak, i have concluded you solely placed a charge on the bank so you could Bait cops and kill them. 

The negotiator got killed before he could leave the area, and was killed so quickly, you couldn't even have the patience to let him leave. There was no Trucks at the building and it was so close to a restart which tells me you didn't rob the building for gold. You robbed it so you could shoot cops. 

Bans issued on all members involved for Baiting


Name:[LOV] John Carter


Steam ID:76561198186924350


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Name:[LOV] JStar


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Name:[U9] riS maiL


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Name:[LOV] Husky


Steam ID:76561198206842824


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Name:[U9] Dark


Steam ID:76561198203450765


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Name:[U9] Handy


Steam ID:76561198255246427


GUID:0d9aaa3f3f757bf5df2ff32a212ccc35


Name:[U9] Rickey Lewis


Steam ID:76561198124317238


GUID:1ef0cab3d1a4c0656eed3ea404997313


Name:[U9] Joseph Boot


Steam ID:76561198153483160


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