Report a Player - Liam - Other

[Kyano]

Your In-game name

PC Kyano [7609]

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

Liam

Date of the incident

08/12/18

Time of the incident (GMT)

1800

What best describes this incident ?

Other

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 1

Please (in detail) describe the incident

So we had just arrested 3 Vanity members because they had attempted to murder officers, after I decide to give them a ticket to take the easy road, when we let them go, they started running around the station, checking the equipment box and generally being a nuisance, we decided to forcibly remove them from the premises and when I was escorting 1 out of there, he decided to use unacceptable language against me.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCINf_Tvm4&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=Kyano
This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[Mr FlimFlam]

Given I was in the liaison where you nitpicked and wasted our time, I'm inclined to respond to this report against a friend of mine.

Not that I condone Liam's language used, but quite simply after you asked Liam to stop, he stopped using the language, problem over. You then called us to liaison, where you precisely and hastily showed us that you have no grounds of complaint. Firstly, when you entered our liaison, you said the word yourself, and not because we didn't know what you were talking about, but casually said the very word that you claim caused you offence. To me, if something offended me, I’d avoid it, in this context by not saying it, maybe you’re not as offended as you say you were? Me and LongSlong were also quite dismayed that in order to reach Liam, you sent us both several messages, in a short space of time, which showed to us that it was a pressing matter, only to be met in liaison with you talking over us, and stupid and irrelevant questions such as “Liam, do you have a medical degree to diagnose me with these problems?” which ultimately ended the liaison as it was clear and even you admitted that the question was not serious, and honestly, felt like you were at that point wasting our time. Secondly, you made an interesting point during our conversation that a staff member had been watching the situation and heard the language used. If this were true, maybe that staff member in question whom I am not aware was there or whom they may be, would have pulled Liam aside had they felt he was being deliberately abrasive and discriminatory. Thirdly, you decided to take the high ground in the situation, despite you and your Police colleagues in the situation leading up to this which you fail to show in your video being quite dodgy yourself, with you accepting being taken out of my zipties with absolutely no RP, as if the Police have some sort of skeleton key for rebel zipties, and your Prob. PC dragging me around in restraints using me as a meat shield mid-gunfight so you didn’t die. We were then left for around 15 minutes with no RP, and blatant disregard for Police Handbook rules on crime and punishment, a separate matter to this report, of course, and I don’t care much for PCC’s, but given that neither me nor Liam nor the other Vanity member involved killed any Police, I find it rather abusive and unnecessary to ask for Gold Command permission for a 45 minute prison sentence.  

Overall, we felt that the liaison discussion was actually quite satisfactory, and that the issue was resolved, but clearly not, and you reporting Liam shows that you ultimately may want him banned for this slip-up in his vocabulary, given that he has not played the server for a while and words are not explicitly outlined in the rules, though he did re-read them before logging on today. He felt that those words were not discriminatory, and when you asked him to stop he stopped. I feel as if this report is unwarranted and has no real grounds.

 

[Kyano]

Let me break this down.

Firstly, when you entered our liaison, you said the word yourself, and not because we didn't know what you were talking about, but casually said the very word that you claim caused you offence.

I feel like you have missed out of context here, I asked him, if he thinks, that that kind of language is acceptable on this island, I said the word, not to insult, but rather than to quote on what he has said wrong. I did not say it in an offensive manner.

maybe you’re not as offended as you say you were?

It does not matter if I feel offended or not. All I have to say here is, this kind of language does not fit in this community.

stupid and irrelevant questions such as “Liam, do you have a medical degree to diagnose me with these problems?”

They were not irrelevant. By saying that word, he implies that I have some kind of mental disability and I am held back in development. To diagnose that problem, you need to have a medical degree.

Secondly, you made an interesting point during our conversation that a staff member had been watching the situation and heard the language used.

You may have misunderstood me there, I showed the footage to the Admin, not that he had seen it, I am very sorry and I should have made myself clearer.

with you accepting being taken out of my zipties with absolutely no RP, as if the Police have some sort of skeleton key for rebel zipties, and your Prob. PC dragging me around in restraints using me as a meat shield mid-gunfight so you didn’t die.

As I said in the liaison, I am not a member of that member's command, nor was I the highest rank, it does not fall on me to decide what he did was right or wrong.

I find it rather abusive and unnecessary to ask for Gold Command permission for a 45 minute prison sentence.

As I did, I decided the best punishment for all of you, would be a 100k ticket. We then let you go.

Overall, we felt that the liaison discussion was actually quite satisfactory, and that the issue was resolved, but clearly not, and you reporting Liam shows that you ultimately may want him banned for this slip-up in his vocabulary

I do not want anyone to get banned, I feel like this is the LAST measure I can take. I felt that your attitude was not good enough in the liaison, HE never said to me " I'm sorry " It was LongSlong who said it, and I don't feel like he needed to apologize for anything, after all, he did not do anything wrong.

 

[MrLongSlong]

For the same reasons as MrFlimFlam and seeing as though I was directly quoted I'll clean up some of ur points here.

It doesnot matter if I feel offended or not. All I have to say here is, this kind of language does not fit in this community.

Your first point, you say that it doesn't matter whether or not someone is offended and that if you say that word you don't fit into the community, you said the word your self,I also know that isn't the first time you have said the word, you have directed it at other people before , so why do you feel as though its different this time.

You may have misunderstood me there, I showed the footage to the Admin, not that he had seen it, I am very sorry and I should have made myself clearer.

This is clearly a lie, as the video shows you threatened us with the fact that you had an admin on your side, when clearly you didn't.

I do not want anyone to get banned, I feel like this is the LAST measure I can take. I felt that your attitude was not good enough in the liaison, HE never said to me " I'm sorry " It was LongSlong who said it, and I don't feel like he needed to apologize for anything, after all, he did not do anything wrong.

If you don't want to get anyone banned, then perhaps you would like to further discuss this situation with myself FlimFlam , Liam, and a staff member , as Liam has clearly not satisfied your needs for an apology.

Questions - 

1. What Rule do you think Liam broke?

2. Why where you not satisfied with our lengthy liaison?

3. Why do you feel its necessary for Liam to be banned for this after he apoligised to you and explained to you that it wouldn't happen again.

Final comment - 

Kyano , from this report and the Liaison afterwards its clear to me and I'm sure others that you are merely nitpicking at a situation in order to get Liam banned, Liam fully apologised to you and made it clear that it wouldn't happen again, he still further extends his apology to you, in the heat of the moment after he was unfairly taken into Police Custody through a server exploit he was then subjected to 30 mins of oneside roleplay where you had to go through your procedures etc that you at no fault of your own have to go through, he was clearly upset with how the situation turned out and therefore expressing this in-game through the wrong channels, and for that he apologises, at the end of the day he made a mistake and although its a pretty big one he has done all he can to make it right but for what ever reason  , maybe a distilled hatred towards "Vanity" and how we conduct ourselves, this has lead to a report.

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All the best 

- Longest of the Slongs

 

[Kyano]

This is clearly a lie, as the video shows you threatened us with the fact that you had an admin on your side, when clearly you didn't.

As I said, I am very sorry that that came across wrong, What I meant to say was that a staff member had seen the footage, I chose the wrong words there, as you might know, I am not a native language speaker. Thereby, and I admit, that my choice of words was incorrect and I might have come across as threatening, and I will apologize for that.

If you don't want to get anyone banned, then perhaps you would like to further discuss this situation with myself FlimFlam , Liam, and a staff member , as Liam has clearly not satisfied your needs for an apology.

I am still open to discussion, the reason why I ended in the first place is that I thought that you were taking it as a joke. f

1. What Rule do you think Liam broke?

[SIZE=medium](1.2) Do not express discriminatory or otherwise offensive views. This is no place for racism, religious hatred, ageism, sexism, homophobia, gender or disability discrimination. Punishable by a permanent ban without appeal.[/SIZE]

I belive the Disablility Discriminsation has been breached here.

2. Why where you not satisfied with our lengthy liaison?

As i said before, I thought that you were taking the whole thing as a joke. Thereby I did not feel as it was benefitial to continue.

3. Why do you feel its necessary for Liam to be banned for this after he apoligised to you and explained to you that it wouldn't happen again.

I felt that he was not taking this seriously, I feel that the whole lialison was a joke. But I am open to another one.

maybe a distilled hatred towards "Vanity" and how we conduct ourselves, this has lead to a report.

I can assure you, this decision was not made taking into account the fact that you are part of "Vanity" It is not because he is a part of "Vanity" I have not met him before and I hope that he is a good member to this commuinty, but things like that just cannot be sliped past.

@MrLongSlong

 

[Liam115]

To Kayno, I'm terribly sorry that this has had to extend to a report, I thought you had made it clear to us in the channel that everything was fine and forgiven but clearly it's not. I would like to again apologize for what I said, although I fully understand the meaning I did not think it was something that went ageist the server rules in the context of which I said it and now I fully understand what it means to have said it  and the consequences for saying it. In the situation I was very heated as where you ( to the point where you were actually shouting at me ) and this therefore caused the situation to quickly surge into a debatable breech of the server rules this coupled with the method of which you brought me to NPAS ( Restrain glitching after you where restrained by MrFlimFlam, although there is no evidence for this I am sure you can admit to your mistakes as well ) caused my eventual surge of anger at the very end. I am sorry for saying what I said and would like to offer for you to come have a conversation with me and a staff member to settle this matter as I'm sure we can both agree this shouldn't be a staff matter. Again my deepest apologies for what I said, it was in the heat of the moment and will never be uttered again. -Liam

 

[Kyano]

I have spoken to Liam and LongSlong, the chat concluded with Liam feeling genuine remorse and apologizing.

I would like to take this report down, as I feel like it has been resolved by the 2 parties.

 

[KingGodDiabloZ]

Please only the person reported reply to this report. If any of his friends would like to add something please ask Liam to add it. We don't want this report to get messy and possibly be locked by staff pending staff review.

 

[Roberts]

Your report is currently being reviewed, Please be patient while the evidence is reviewed

Please keep checking this report regularly just in case the reviewing staff member has any questions

Thank you for your report and you doing your part to keep our community clean!

 

[Roberts]

Before I conclude this report I would like to say a few things. 

@Liam115 

(1.2) Do not express discriminatory or otherwise offensive views. This is no place for racism, religious hatred, ageism, sexism, homophobia, gender or disability discrimination. Punishable by a permanent ban without appeal.

Please be more careful with your wording on things, Disability discrimination is a serious matter, although it was spur of the moment and things were getting heated you MUST think before shouting those kind of words out to people. 
You don't know the person in real life so don't say words such as "Spastic" and "Retard" as it may come across as quite offensive, you don't know what medical conditions the other person has. 
Choose your wordings wisely. 

As you have resolved this issue on Teamspeak I will not be issuing any warnings to either parties involved as I am confident that you have both come to a resolution. 

Player Report Resolved.​

 

[Roberts]

Your report has been dealt with, but perhaps not in the way you originally envisaged.

Whether this is beneficial or disadvantageous to you will depend entirely on the situation, and staff will have taken the most-appropriate action in the circumstances.