Report a Player - [LF] Magic, [LF] Adam King, [LF] Kieran Johnson - Other

[Ant]

Your In-game name

Ant Arni

Name of the player(s) you are reporting

[LF] Magic, [LF] Adam King, [LF] Kieran Johnson

Date of the incident

12/30/2016

Time of the incident (GMT)

1451

What best describes this incident ?

Other

Which server did the incident take place on

Server 2

Please (in detail) describe the incident

We arrived at a complex of houses, knowing that multiple houses were owned there however we believed them to be owned by a singular gang as we had witnessed a gunfight here earlier that day (an hour or so beforehand). After the 12 o'clock restart, our entire gang started doing operations and then eventually headed down together to this compound. After we get into our first house, we see lots of LF people disconnect and then eventually find one of them in one of their houses (we're not sure if he was there the whole time but nobody saw him run into it as far as I'm aware, so might be a good idea to check logs to see if he's also teleported to the house?) looking in the inventory of his house, following his swift department. [LF] Magic logs off as we are in the process of breaking into his first door, following Adam King's departure from the server. Following this, it is believed that another [LF] member also disconnected, with more houses with storage crates in sight, however I don't think anyone has video evidence of this, although again hopefully there are some sorts of logs available for this. When contacting [LF] Magic (known as TLFMagic on teamspeak) he starts off by denying anyone logged off to stop houses being broken into [although I do not have evidence of this], but when shown the videos he began to stop defending everyone and offered compensation, although I do not think a slap on the wrist is the best approach to take with this. Although eventually being apologetic and promising not to do this again, there were so many people involved with this and I find it hard to believe that none of them knew that there was a rule regarding logging off to save their houses being robbed, thus I have gone through with this report.
Chat log: https://jpst.it/R0lT

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This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!

Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans)

Yes

 

[magicc]

Ok in this video my friend Kieron who was in the first one I don't have a clue what he was doing but the second house that you rob is mine but it said I was getting robbed like 10 mins before that so I wait for ages for you guys to get into the house because I know if i log out its classed as exploiting so in the second vid one of your guys say the doors are open so my house did get robbed already so I thought once you get into the house you can still open the crates as I said before I did wait 10 mins while my house was getting robbed and then I got off so you guys could get everything but it was not my intention to exploit if I did, but yeah I did wait 10 mins to get off so you guys could get everything so after the ten mins was over i got off. Then Adam King's house is not even there and when he logged off he seriously had too go and he hasn't been on for the rest of the day. Im really sorry for what happend and i wished it could of been resolved in another way i did say i would pay comp but you didn't want that i don't think, i think you just wanted to post the report i don't know though do i.

EDIT:   Hey, i will wait for an admin's response, but i have already offered comp and offered to come online so they can rob the house, Not only that but the report is to stain LF's name because Kieran was offline initially and he came online to spawn kavala he didnt TP or anything. adam isnt connected at all other than the fact going offline (his house is far far far away so theres no reason to report him). only one to report is me (Magic) and i did offer comp and offered lots of alternatives... not only that, they broke into the house a couple times and then cancelled and since i wanted to go offline i couldn't have just waited for a long time since they just repeatedly broke into the house and cancelled it so I couldn't go off.

Adam will post when ever he's back from what happened to him.

Im Really Sorry!

 

[Clarity]

The reason why I cancelled breaking in which was only once, we didn't break in and cancel multiple times like you said, is because ant said that this house was marked on the map already and I thought the mark on the map was to say they have already broken in to. as it turns out, the mark on the map meant they still needed to be broken into. that was just a bit of Mis-communication on my side with marking etc. You say that we broke in and cancelled however, at the moment you logged off you wouldn't have known we had cancelled as you only get the warning message saying your house is being broken into at the start of the break in. it then disappears whilst we are on around 60 ish percent. I'm pretty sure it doesn't stay on for the whole duration of us robbing your house. you also don't get a message saying it's been cancelled or whatever, so it was impossible for you to know if we had cancelled or not.  also there was multiple doors to get into. how do you know that we weren't breaking into the inside doors when you logged off (because you said you had the message a few times). Also I think the reason he didn't want comp mate, is because you were all exploiting..there is no excuses for exploiting in this manner.. you all knew what you were doing. I appreciate you are sorry and all that but at the end of the day a big operation that we had planned out was completely ruined so turned out to be a complete waste of our time and fun. As for Kieran, he knew exactly what he was doing because the lads had already got into the back door then all of a sudden he appears in his house (looks like teleporting to me because his house was being broken into) started searching through his crates as you can see by the animation to get all the important stuff then logs off so we can't get anything. I personally believe you all knew what would happen if you logged off which is the reason about 4 or more of you all disconnected when we where robbing all the houses in that area. 

 

[magicc]

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting

Yes





 

Also I think the reason he didn't want comp mate, is because you were all exploiting..there is no excuses for exploiting in this manner.. you all knew what you were doing. I appreciate you are sorry and all that but at the end of the day a big operation that we had planned out was completely ruined so turned out to be a complete waste of our time and fun. As for Kieran, he knew exactly what he was doing because the lads had already got into the back door then all of a sudden he appears in his house (looks like teleporting to me because his house was being broken into) started searching through his crates as you can see by the animation to get all the important stuff then logs off so we can't get anything.





 

Someone HAS broken into my house 10 minutes before hand… I thought it was just a glitch or someone that got kicked while doing it… since there was only 1 message given so I thought the first door was breached only then waited 10 minutes to disconnect and all the sudden one of you tries to break in again? I thought you would be done by that time…
If you claim it was a waste of time, then why won't you accept the comp?
Are you trying to report as some sort of revenge or something? I just don’t see why you didn't want to solve the situation? since we have offered comp and even to double the comp of the houses contents which was weed only.
Secondly, you clearly didn’t try to solve the situation since you didn’t accept comp.
Thirdly I want to ask why are 3 members getting reported and 4 members are being mentioned by clarity?
First of all, Kieran was offline and he came online in his house and didn't take a thing.
secondly, Adam isn't involved? you can't just report him because he disconnected since he didn't own any of the houses around.
only one that broke a rule is me, (magic) and I offered comp so many times to try and make up for what I did but you guys preferred saying “if you’ll give comp, how can we make sure this doesn’t happen again?”, if it happens again its the admin’s job to take care of that, you can not decline comp and say that you want this to be more then a “slap on the wrist”.
and also you wouldn't have got Kieran's stuff because he connected AFTER you were in the area, you didn't even try to break into it.
 

 

[Ant]

Are you trying to report as some sort of revenge or something?

Revenge for what?

Secondly, you clearly didn’t try to solve the situation since you didn’t accept comp.

Resolving a situation doesn't always mean compensation - we saw 4 people knowingly breaking rules here and that was why we reported it. If it was just one person, then there would have been a chance that they just had to go offline and thus compensation would have been the way to go, or even no comp at all and we would have let it slide after a short chat on teamspeak. What we witnessed was, like I've repeated already, people knowingly breaking rules (or at least in our eyes) and that is why I have gone ahead with the report and denied compensation.

Thirdly I want to ask why are 3 members getting reported and 4 members are being mentioned by clarity?

There was apparently a fourth member, however we do not have video of this, that is why 4 are mentioned but only 3 reported.

 

[Clarity]

I'm not the one reporting you, however I was part of the situation and provided the evidence needed so I'm just giving my take on things.

I want to ask why are 3 members getting reported and 4 members are being mentioned by clarity?
First of all, Kieran was offline and he came online in his house and didn't take a thing.

The reason 3 member are being reported and not 4 is because I only have the evidence for 3 of you guys, didn't catch the 4ths name and no recording of it therefore there is nothing sufficient enough to warrant a report on that player as there is no evidence.

Also please don't lie about Kieran being offline then came on AFTER because if he was 'offline' how would we have already gotten through one of his doors earlier? you can see in the video we were already in through one door at the back. Lying is just going to make things worse bud especially since there will more than likely be logs for the people logging in and out etc.

Are you trying to report as some sort of revenge or something?
 

Revenge for what mate? we have never once had a problem with you guys in-game or out..so don't try play that card of some sort of 'revenge report' this was our first encounter together and it was of you lads exploiting, you are probably not bad lads but its not a good first impression mate.

Someone HAS broken into my house 10 minutes before hand… I thought it was just a glitch or someone that got kicked while doing it… since there was only 1 message given so I thought the first door was breached only then waited 10 minutes to disconnect and all the sudden one of you tries to break in again?
 

if you thought someone had been kicked of or whatever whilst in the middle of it then why did you disconnect when you received the second message? it doesn't matter whether the time gap is 20 seconds or 10 minutes before getting another break in message, you still Disconnected whilst receiving a message that your house was being broken into again. Clearly showing that we weren't done. for all you knew the break in '10 minutes' before hand could have been a completely different group of people. and this could have been our first try at breaking into your house, if you know what I mean?...If someone is breaking into your house you cannot Disconnect to prevent it.  even if your getting broken into 20 times within 30 a minute period it doesn't matter..you cant DC whilst its in progress.

you can not decline comp and say that you want this to be more then a “slap on the wrist”.

 

Everyone has the right to decline comp if they feel its not enough mate. If this was the case everyone would just go around breaking rules then just  say 'its okay ill just comp them'

 

[magicc]

Revenge for what?

im not sure either, but you are making accusations based on nothing!

Resolving a situation doesn't always mean compensation - we saw 4 people knowingly breaking rules here and that was why we reported it. If it was just one person, then there would have been a chance that they just had to go offline and thus compensation would have been the way to go, or even no comp at all and we would have let it slide after a short chat on teamspeak. What we witnessed was, like I've repeated already, people knowingly breaking rules (or at least in our eyes) and that is why I have gone ahead with the report and denied compensation.




 




 




 

resolving a situation doesn't always mean compensation but it does mean giving an alternative to a compensation... you can't say "we saw 4 people knowingly breaking rules here and that was why we reported it", that is you admitting not to try and resolve it, so why write that you DID try to resolve it?

There was apparently a fourth member, however we do not have video of this, that is why 4 are mentioned but only 3 reported.

my question is, why is there only 2 houses in the video? that means there should only be 2 players reported... magic and keiran. and keiran shouldn't be reported since there are no evidence of you breaking into his house before him connecting and disconnecting...

 and to add to all of this, as you can see in the video you start breaking to the house on video 2 at 0:05 , and then disconnect was at 0:17 so there's a 12 second difference and i want to say that there is a delay for break in message + to abort there is the 10second timer + I need to pass the "syncing data stage" and only after all that I can press "disconnect" so technically I didn't do anything wrong

Everyone has the right to decline comp if they feel its not enough mate. If this was the case everyone would just go around breaking rules then just  say 'its okay ill just comp them'




 

yes, that is true but if you don't accept comp and don't try to solve in another way then you didn't try to solve it, even tho @ant arni said that he DID try to solve this with us.

 

[WhoisDan]

[LF] Magic, you are very clearly logging off to avoid your house being robbed, so you have been banned for exploiting.

Technically there is no specific evidence of wrongdoing from [LF] Adam King, so on this occasion you get away, however the timing of your disconnect looks very suspicious and I will be watching you closely.

[LF] Kieran Johnson, you also very clearly disconnect to avoid being robbed. You too have been banned for exploiting.