Report a player - Kat Billingsley & Envy - GTA RP

[Sanguine]

Report a player 

Your In-game Name: E.D.I Delta

Name and/or ID of the player(s) you are reporting: Kat Billingsley & Envy

Which server did the incident take place on: GTA RP

Date of the incident: 07/28/23

Time of the incident (GMT) 24hr Format: 22

What best describes this incident ?: G9.4 Kidnapping NHS workers on duty

Please (in detail) describe the incident: This situation started when i got both a dispatch from Route 13 stating a friend was hit by a car.
(I would like to emphasize this was a natural from of RP to assist them and had been treating other people that night before the call)

Myself EDI arrived to treat the injured friend on scene when not to long after a collection of bikes rolled up and aimed guns at my general direction and behind me. At this moment i proceeded to hit my panic button and run around the back of the building to escape the scene. I was not the target of the guns as they was aimed at Hope who was sitting within Kat's Rolls Royce as this was a targeted hit on hope and not myself.

After fleeing i hid out of sight as i was unable to reach my car out of concern for my safety only saw a brief moment of the situation. After they left the scene i attempted to return to my Skoda and leave as well but before i could get to the car , a masked man put a gun to myself and stated not to panic (unfortunately i already did before he was even there) And was told to put my hands up and was zip tied and taken away from the scene in the boot of a local car.

Kat Billingsley was instructing the masked man to put me on the boot of the vehicle and take me away against my will. During this time i was ejected from the boot going over a small sand dune where the masked man was caught up with me and where my footage provided started. I was instructed to walk towards sandy and was then returned to the car after a few moments of little communication and lots of demands.

Finally blindfolded i spent roughly 10 to 15 minutes in a car with no communication or conversation other than the odd slander towards myself and Lucy unable to speak or communicate trying to find out what was going on. Mostly this situation was just poor .. i had no interaction for a while and felt left out and a bit underwhelmed due to having higher RP expectations from this individual.
I was surprised by the RP that was taken due to the fact that kat is coming into the later stage of her pregnancy hiking up a mountain to kill an active NHS worker seems a bit off and is not the first time this has happend either kidnapping another player within the same timeframe of 48 hours prior.

Finally my blindfold was removed and was found on the edge of a mountain with kat and believed to be envy where i was to be killed by envy using a machete to my wires. In RP EDI of course EDI was destroyed as a result of the situation.

(at this point in the RP EDI has now forgotten everything form when i logged onto the server this evening)

Unfortunelty i am still getting used to a new setup of recording software (OBS) and haven't set up a quick save feature of the situation prior to the footage provided. Sadly this is all i can physically provide at this current time.
I hold no spite for the individual in question as i don't really know them OOC however i just expected better from them even as tempting as the situation was.
I later contacted Kat in a DM on discord to better understand her perspective and why she chose the path she did : (Photo Provided below)

Discord DM Screenshot : https://imgur.com/a/K9MMrtk

The context was accurate however the choice to take an NHS worker hostage as well as the overall execution was poor.
Sadly i did not believe this perspective given by kat warrants taking an on duty NHS worker hostage and is why i have made this report to look into this further.

Link to any evidence (Youtube/Screenshot):



https://youtu.be/fJoYpc0M1XM



This report is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!: Yes

You tried to resolve the situation with the player(s) before reporting: Yes

This is not a revenge report (Abuse will lead to forum/community bans): Yes

 

[Envy]

I expect Kat will be replying to this herself also, but I will be giving my input on the situation.

To begin with, you have decided to leave out a large amount of context in regards to this. My evidence shows very clearly you'd been made aware to not trust JJ, Hope & Kat by Jeep. You may have been aware IC why this was, you may not have. Regardless, you'd been called by Hope to assist with JJ in his downed state @ Route 13. At some point during that call out you had informed Jeep & potentially Lucy Webb, that you were going to be going to that exact location (I'm assuming by text or call, that should be able to be confirmed by staff), in turn Jeep, Lucy Webb (your girlfriend who is one of the leaders of Bingle) & Cypress arrive at said location guns blazing. They do not touch you whatsoever, they take Hope & JJ to enact an execution & leave. Myself and Kat were hidden around the location & witnessed all of this. We knew Lucy alongside Jeep/Cypress most likely wanted to kill Hope, and probably the rest of us (JJ, Kat, myself) included. You were the only one who knew the location we were at. You had informed them, you had gotten Hope & JJ killed whether that was your intention or not.

I am VERY aware of the G9.4 rule. I am also aware of the G1.2 rule being RDM. Essentially what your issue is that we took you to another location to interrogate you and see if you had done what we suspected you of doing (which you confirmed yourself in the footage as seen). Without any sort of confirmation of your actions at Route 13 we had no reason to kill you at the instant following Hope & JJ being taken, if I would've shot you there & then it would've been a very blatant case of RDM. Therefore you were taken for interrogation to decide if we should let you live, if you'd had no involvement, hadn't informed Jeep resulting in Hope & JJ being taken to be killed you would've been free to leave. We also would not have stayed at that location with you due to the fact you most likely panic buttoned the second you saw me come at you with a gun (which you stated you already had when Kat told you "not to panic button", you left us with 0 choice but to take you & go elsewhere.

In the G9.4 rule it specifically uses the word "hostage" which by definition is "a person seized or held as security for the fulfilment of a condition." 

You were taken as a result of your own actions, you wasn't taken for monetary gain, or anything along those lines. What you did lead two people to be killed, even if you were aware IC or not from my point of view this whole situation was valid. On duty as NHS or not, I believe this is a VERY valid reason to kidnap you whilst we had the chance, ESPECIALLY seeing as your character is dating both leaders of Bingle.

In response to your comments in regards to Kat's pregnancy RP - Kat did NONE of the work here apart from driving a car. I was the person who held you up on the orders of her, I was further the one who did all of the damage & killing. She did not have any interaction apart from escorting you for a VERY short period of time.

I believe you do not understand the scale of effect you making the decision to inform Jeep/Lucy has affected other people's roleplay which is fine as you wasn't involved to begin with. But by informing them of the location they were at it resulted in 2 individuals being killed (one of them permanently as it stands). You involved yourself, therefore the consequences of those actions occurred, if we had let you live you would've most likely created further issues for us in that scenario.

kidnapping another player within the same timeframe of 48 hours prior.

^ for reference - It was me who lead this individual into a trap, Kat & another individual were simply stood in a room awaiting delivery of this person. Upon arrival they were zip tied and kept in the same location and allowed to live. Please do not use situations your clearly unaware of as you were not involved OUT of this. 

I would also like to point out further in this footage you use the words "ah well, I'll be back within the next half an hour because I won't remember any of this" @ 11:23 in the video. Which in my opinion is hardly "staying in character". This lead to an LOOC interaction between yourself & Kat.

I'd also like to ask why you only decided to attempt to speak with Kat ooc & not myself seeing as I was just as much involved in the situation as she was.

My pov starts around 10 minutes following EDI initially being taken, the reason for the delay in interaction with yourself was The Lost had arrived to speak with Kat, I can only apologize for this delay as it wasn't in either of our control at that point in time. I have further footage of the lead up to this situation which I'd be happy to share privately with staff due to the sensitivity of the RP situation and the potential for people to meta-game from it.

My POV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSKFi8M-FJQ&ab_channel=CREATURE

If you have any further questions or things you wish answered I'd be happy to discuss here or in Discord with staff present.

- Thanks, Envy.

 

[KittyKat]

Hellloo, I'm here to give my 2 cent on the matter.

I'm not really sure what to say as I don't want to be repeating the same words as Envy. But in the same vain I guess I have to say something. Everything I stated in the private discord messages to EDI still applies. That is my justification and will stick to it. As I also stated in those message that I do acknowledge your RP suggestions, but at the time I had just witnessed someone I hold dearly get taken by the people I promised to protect her from. I also stated in those message that just because an RP scenario doesn't go your way, you can't just start having a go at people. Now from the get go of you messaging to me you said you wasn't happy with the RP given, at no point did you state you was concerned about a possible rule break. Since you did not post the full convocation of us talking to each other, I will kindly do that for the staff team to take a look at. As you can clearly see, this morning I asked you what you are trying to get out of this and it seems like there is something you are not telling me. To which you said "No not at all I'm trying to get your perspective to better understand why you did what you did and you've given me your perspective so thankyou."

So I'm actually quite sadden to hear that you are now reporting us when I was not aware you had these sorts of feelings towards this. With this being said, I still stand by everything I have already stated. I truly do feel like if you was just going to report us anyways even after talking to me that you should of just skipped the talking in discord and went right to reporting as the back and forth we had there is the same response I would of given here.


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Can I also say for the record, that you didnt really take everything seriously yourself after we took you out of Zip-ties to refuel you. It was only when I stated you have a gun pointed at you and that even though you are metal something penetrating you is still going to cause you some sort of Damage. In LOOC chat you s said:



I understand you are a robot as EDI but if you die the rules still applied, I feel as though here you was trying to sway the Rp in your direction or to change out thoughts via LOOC, but who knows I can't state for certain. 

And Finally, because I feel like I need add this in for the sake of nothing happening for that beautiful baby to be being taken away. While I have been pregnant as Kat I have listened to your advise on wearing baggy clothing and to be more careful, to which I have been. I did state in the Discord messages I gave the order for you to be captured (Yes), I did not physically harm you, I only spoke to you. I got Envy to do all the work for because as Kat while she is pregnant she has been informed that that should be the case. Now with this being said, being pregnant does not mean I'm incapable of talking to someone or commanding people about. If you knew anything about Kat which you should because I've said it Infront of you before, she used to lead a Gang so those things come quite naturally to her. I can assure you, I have take a huge step back in everything Crime during this Pregnancy with the strong advise off her fiancé Charles and her Midwife Livia. Also to mention by Staff

To repeat what Envy said, I did NONE of the work here apart from driving a car a little quickly because you hit your panic button. And I did not have any interaction apart from escorting you for a VERY short period of time. And with the Kidnapping of 2 people in the last 48 hours, what i chose to do on the server is non of your business and I've done nothing wrong here. And to quote Envy again, "It was me who lead this individual into a trap, Kat & another individual were simply stood in a room awaiting delivery of this person. Upon arrival they were zip tied and kept in the same location and allowed to live." I will ask you to please refrain from commenting on Rp that you was not involved, and kidnapping you last night was not on my bucket list of plans, you wasn't even a twinkle in my eye. But unexpected things happen sometimes 

If any staff have any question, I will gladly answer them for you. But apart from that I hope you all have a nice day.

- Kat 

 

[Sanguine]

I would like start my stating i was blind to this entire situation. I have been kept outside of this little war that you and lucy have been happening for the past few days. Only the 27th when i recived a DM from Jeep in RP stating that "You should not trust JJ, Hope and Kat" 

I literally can't stress enough how little edi was kept in the dark over your spat with lucy  .. she in RP never told me anything not even jeep did. I had zero idea that hope was being targeted that night (since i literally got off an 8 hour shift and hopped on the server to unwind).

Because of this i took the next logical approach and contacted EDI's partner Lucy Webb (since she trusts her more than anything) and asked if it would be a smart idea to go out to this callout after everything that i was told.

At this point in time when hope called me to come out to route 13 i was paranoid over the situation as there was no blip on the map and got a personal (and a dispatch) call to come help. I am of course obligated to help both legally and socially as EDI still sees Hope and JJ and even you kat as a friend. Because of this i felt like i was being led into a trap hence why i called Lucy. (You seem to forget this situation from EDI's perspective is a catch 22 from what little information was provided to her.)

This in turn started the chain of events which lead to this situation. Since i called lucy i actually had on accident passively given away the location of hope to her out of pure obliviousness. (I had zero idea that lucy was actively seeking out hope at this moment in time and carried on with my job), in reality if lucy had told me that they was going to kidnap hope there and then in that call i would have gone along with her plan and joined in (and would have rather watched from a distance as she got grabbed then actively be there to become a victim to your motives.)

However this was never the case. EDI in turn was literally clueless to what transpired and because of this ended up being right in the middle of that situation. I never intended all that happed at the petrol station to come to fruition but it did anyway.

Because of this your motive to kidnap me as leverage came into play which in my perspective is an overzealous act of passion just to get back at what happend between other parties.

In regards to what happend when you killed me on the mountain this is the challenge i face as a android . Its Hard to give you all the information about kidnapping me there and then when you're running on high emotions over losing hope (the person). I had zero intentions of wanting to be kidnapped because i was on duty as an NHS worker at this time and if it was a pre-planned kidnap i would've happily have sat down with you and explained the do's and don'ts of kidnapping edi. Example being trying to take my shirt off forcefully with a machete by envy (you guys have no idea OOC that its just a face paint and taking off my top would break RP of edi's appearance by doing so.)

You of course carried on with this and acted like there was no coat (which i appreciated) but this is why its a bit of a pain to kidnap me. I don't intend to be awkward and hard to RP with but when you force me into a situation im not prepared for i can't accommodate your wants and needs in the situation. Pointing a gun in a machines face isn't going to make it cry in fear. telling me in RP that i have a gun to me. 

It felt like you was expecting me to play like a human when i am in fact very much not a human. At the end of it all you still got to kill me (and in turn won) and i even have gone to extra length not only to forget that whole situation in RP but ive also chose to forget everything for that entire 24hour period. (and i stand by that)

Again i would like to emphasise i have zero intentions in swaying your RP at the end of it all however i have made a strict set of rules that i follow as EDI's character arc and live by them every time i log into the server to save lives and make friends. I don't want to control RP situations like that but you gave me very little time to Explain what i wanted to do as EDI before you killed me. 

As for your pregnancy i don't believe there is a point to talking about that further and is better to be left for other parties to decide what happens there i was merely explaining to you how mad it looks from every other players perspective what you was doing in all that madness. 

To put this into perspective the entire situation felt like a sloppy act of passion that wasn't thought through very well.

This is where i believe we need a staff opinion. I personally believe you overstepped the server rules by taking an on duty NHS worker hostage (that never wanted to be taken hostage hence why i was on duty) Where as i believe your perspective was that the RP was good enough to bypass that server rule as to continue the RP.  (again this is how i see whether that is right or wrong isn't for me to say)

Other than that i will leave what i have to say now on standby until any staff members have any questions they would like to ask us all. 

 

[KittyKat]

Quick response to this, 

I would like start my stating i was blind to this entire situation.

Of course you was, as I already stated you was not on my bucket list to take and put in zip-ties, only after I watched hope get taken and you leave untouched did I then make the decision to order Envy to get ahold of you. 

 

led into a trap hence why i called Lucy

Moving onto this, as you have stated you have not been a name or question in the whole storyline for the past Month. Within saying this I'm not sure why in any shape or form before the route 13 thing happened I would want to harm you? I even stated in the video, I didnt want to do this. And for logical reasons, our night went from looking for dodgy docs to calling every medic we knew, you was the only one who picked up and knew the location. There for no matter if you told me the truth on that hill, I already knew that you had ratted Hope and JJ in to Lucy/Jeep. Lucy and Jeep both turned up in there normal clothing while the rest of Cypress was blacked out. (Therefore there was not catch 22) Also to state, JJ did put about 3-4 call outs when he was downed, 2 of them being outside the shop. 1 dispatch was from my phone as Kat and Hope called you. If you was told not to trust someone fair enough, but if you don't know the circumstances then why was you so worried? And you say that your Character is an AI but you somehow have feelings, when on some occasions IC you have state you don't feel things because you are just a robot. There for you was taken for you Involvement because you informed them of her location.

I don't intend to be awkward and hard to RP with but when you force me into a situation im not prepared for i can't accommodate your wants and needs in the situation. Pointing a gun in a machines face isn't going to make it cry in fear. telling me in RP that i have a gun to me. 

As much as I understand this to a certain point, RP is not always in your control. I did not plan to take you last night, it just happened. So unfortunately no planning could of been done. As Awkward it might have been, these things do happen. And believe it or not, not a lot RP is scripted as its unnatural and less realistic. And as I stated in RP, just because you are made of metal or plastic, does not mean you can not be damaged. Something penetrating your skin/ system is going to hurt or cause damage in some way shape or form.

It felt like you was expecting me to play like a human when i am in fact very much not a human.

I did not expect you to play as a human, do you think Kat knows anything about AI? No she does not. I tried my hardest to make it and AI kidnapping by saying to Envy to take your Hard drives and start cutting wires, to also rip you apart and I'll sell you for scarp parts. And going back to the gun scenario, its still something that can harm you at this current stand point within the server mechanics, therefore you should want to value your life and not talk about hitting a self destruct system when we was trying to actual RP with you but I'm guessing because you was upset at the random kidnapping that you was not pleased. Which I understand, we have all been there.

As for your pregnancy i don't believe there is a point to talking about that further and is better to be left for other parties to decide what happens there i was merely explaining to you how mad it looks from every other players perspective what you was doing in all that madness. 

I'm not sure how many people can have a say when they don't really see what I've been doing for the past 5 months as Kat being pregnant. You are basing it of something I did to you because I took you while you was on duty for ratting Hope in. Which on the mountain, I explained to you that you had just ended her life. I'm under the firm belief that you did know in some way shape or form that things was Spicy with Kat and Lucy as you stated 12 hours before on the day if someone knew about it. I don't want to call anyone out for something I can not prove, but considering you knew this information OOC before hand, I'm finding your story a little hard to swallow. 

To put this into perspective the entire situation felt like a sloppy act of passion that wasn't thought through very well.

Will state again, I've had no intentions of taking you at all. So forgive me if it an award winning Oscar performance. Everyone's Rp can slip overtime, we are all human

This is where i believe we need a staff opinion. I personally believe you overstepped the server rules by taking an on duty NHS worker hostage

I am aware of the server rule G9.4 Medics and firefighters can be killed with strong roleplay justification, believe it or not there was Strong justification as to why we need to get rid of you to which you said that you understood why I did what I did. Because you said: "Yes i am awear of your intentions but i am not happy about it". And may i also state there was a time where the whole of Pillbox was on Lockdown because Balla's had taken the whole of the hospital hostage with Medics who was on duty because they wanted to escape with a sniper rifle.

Not sure if Envy has anything else to say but thats my 2 cent

- Kat

 

[Envy]

Not sure if Envy has anything else to say but thats my 2 cent

The only thing I have to add in this situation is we never physically ended her life. Though it was most likely going to occur as a result of what was caused as a result of EDI's actions, we didn't.

EDI chose to "shut down" using /me followed by /die before any damage had actually been dealt by myself or Kat.

Like I stated previously, if Sanguine wishes to discuss any of this in Discord with staff present I'd be more more than happy to. Other than that I'm happy with leaving staff to deal with this if nothing else is needed from myself.

- Thanks, Envy. 

 

[KittyKat]

Just to add a lil note from myself. I had a message off of Kat's Midwife vis discord messages this morning. In this its states that from a Maternity standpoint, she saw no issues. Now even though she is not staff, 5 months ago I sat in a call with her and staff outlining the Do's and Don'ts while Kat is pregnant. And I was informed of the hard repercussions if I where to not listen and value the baby's life.

To add on to what Envy said above, he is correct. I looked back on my own footage and you did indeed /die. Now I'm not sure what you have set up with staff on the side, but you stated when I ordered for your wires to be pulled out that you wasn't going to give me the "satisfaction" of killing you. So you /me "shutting down" and then /die. At this point Envy did not even have a chance to do a single action himself. Even though you did do this, Envy still carried on. 

It felt like you was expecting me to play like a human when i am in fact very much not a human.

I'm not here to say what you did and didnt feel but at the end of the day, we tried out hardest to do a AI/ Robot send off but it was cut short by nobody else but you. And even when I ordered Envy to take your hard drive before he could even get the chance to RP it out, you swooped in with more /me. You mentioned to me in Personal Discord messages that "Not to mention i had very little interaction for the majority of the situation it was .. kidnap .. held in car for 10 -15 mins...taken up cliff.. ranted at .. killed. There wasn't even any hacking attempts or anything. You just used me and dumped me and I was rather disheartened by it."  In reality when we tried to do what we wanted or get what we wanted, it was all ruined and you controlled the scenario with /me by turning yourself into dust.

Video: https://medal.tv/games/gta-v/clips/1lYC5ovpTYfcYR/d1337Ln7AZTr?invite=cr-MSx3UlcsMTU0MDc5MTM5LA

Within this Video you can see everything we have stated about, you can also see the contents of my pocks during this time. You can see that I have nothing on my person that can do harm to Kat/Baby or any other person. And to state this is also how I was when Jeep/ Lucy and Cypress pulled up 15 man deep while being heavily armed. During that time I stayed quite and as hidden as possible so I would not be found and caught/killed myself.

During this video, I will come forward and state that yes I was in a discord call with one of the people that was take and killed. Before accusations get thrown my way, this person died and respawned and staff can check the logs for that if they deem it necessary. And I think we can all agree that the timing between Hope/JJ getting taken by Jeep and then within a matter of split seconds me ordering Envy to take you, no fowl place was to be had. As these clips cover a big timeframe with 1 more clip that can be sent to the staff dealing with this to cover more grounds. After all that, I was occupied with other people who could vouch for me if needed. And have Call logs in game to prove it.

 

[Sanguine]

To cut this long debate short i did know about this situation out of character however with being friends to a lot of players outside of the server where we discuss things on the daily it is practically impossible not to hear about the RP ruckus caused by you (kat) and bingle (lucy). Of course i know of it how could i not? 

Again i would like to express that i did not go out of my way to influence the course of the RP (intentionally) within this situation with OOC knowledge no matter how easy it may seem to be. It feels alot like you are attempting to turn this whole situation onto myself when you yet still seem to believe that it is acceptable to kidnap an on duty NHS worker trying to revive people. And no i wasn't awear of the consequences to my actions at the station with what i stated to lucy. (as stated in previous post)

And as you can see from my DMs from Rise i am awear of the situation however i did "Not" want to be involved in the RP but sadly i had no choice .. it all got dragged onto it In RP by jeep (on the 27th via text) and due to this factor my actions had consequences again i didn't want this but its what i got and i stuck by it.

As for when envy killed me. Envy did "cuts EDI's wires" using the machete in this close range animation (check his audit logs if you feel the need), to me that is an active use of your weapon on EDI so i did infact use /die to kill myself .. you had actively used the weapon  to cut edi's power supply (although not physically) you still created an action in turn which caused a reaction. Just because you didn't get the run around left click animation to kill me pysically with the weapon you're assuming that i was trying to force the situation to my advantage. Again might i ask what advantage would i be gaining?(rhetorical question) You had already doomed Edi at that moment in time. I was simply casting the die and letting the situation come to an end. I still was forced along your hostage RP you controlled the entire situation i was only attempting to accommodate what little room i had to RP myself with you since you was so eager from my perspective to end my life.

I personally believe i was justified in letting you know OOC that you are trying to fumble around with advanced technology. Again feels like you're trying to turn this on me for your actions of taking me hostage in the first place.

Its clear that you believe me to be lying which i understand however don't appreciate. Yes i can see from your perspective how sketchy it looks but to cut a long story short it was simply a bad turn of events and being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Lucy didn't contact me to leave the area and because of this i continued with my duty. Again i will state do you seriously think i would intentionally sit myself in the centre a heated situation just to become a victim? I would think not. 

Again with the G9.4 Rule as stated :

(G9.4) Medics and firefighters can be killed with strong roleplay justification (They refuse to cooperate when they are threatened), but you may not take them hostage

"but you may not take them as hostage" - Just to reiterate you actively took me against my will and used me as a bargaining chip in an attempt to trade me off for hope. You and envy actively had me zip tied and had a gun pointed to my persons. If you seriously think that this isn't hostage taking then i believe you may need to look up the meaning of "hostage".

Just to help you if you need it, looking up the term hostage in a quick google search. 

Hostage : a person seized or held as security for the fulfilment of a condition.

You assisted in seizing EDI and held her in zip ties where i was used to fulfil the condition as a bargaining chip for hopes release.

If you had instead shot me there and then at the gas station for letting all that happen then you would have absolutely be well within your rights to do so. Edi screwed up and gave away the location of hope to lucy where she then called cypress to hit your petrol station and kidnap her. Shooting me would have made more sense due to how enraged you was. 

It was clear you let your emotions get the better of you in this situation and didn't proactively think about the repercussions of your actions. You made it out to everyone that the kidnapping was justified in your eyes however i see it as an affront to the standards the community. You can't just bend rules to your whim just because you believe them to be justified in your eyes. 

And again it appears to be missing the point of this whole report , every time i state to you about the evident rule break you have made you seem to skirt the point of why i have made this report against you and instead seem to seek out every other thing around this issue to make look like i am the issue.  It personally feels petty and although some points you have made are relevant to context . The overall execution feels targeted away from your actions. 

I believe we are getting nowhere with this debate and that this argument will perpetuate. 

 

[Envy]

If you had instead shot me there and then at the gas station for letting all that happen then you would have absolutely be well within your rights to do so.

Which would have been a very blatant breach of G1.2 as no form of "quality roleplay" would've been engaged if either of us had done that. You were removed from the scene due to a panic button which would've made zero sense to keep you there in order to avoid repercussions from police etc. Willingly or not (even though as you stated you knew ooc what was going on) your involvement caused them both to die, you chose to contact the specific people you did. I believe I have explained myself & the situation to the best of my capabilities.

On a final note I will openly apologize to anyone from the NHS & Fire Service or any member of the community who may feel disheartened by this whole situation, I will state as a fact this is not a usual occurrence, this is a first for me and the last thing I saw coming that day. But due to the context and situation I believe the actions taken were justified.

Unless requested to speak further I will leave this to staff to handle as they deem necessary from here.

- Thanks, Envy.

 

 

[KittyKat]

I'll try keep my response short.

yet still seem to believe that it is acceptable to kidnap an on duty NHS worker trying to revive people.

You was not being a medic for anyone at the time a gun was pointed at you or when to you was Kidnapped. There was a moment where you ran off and ran behind the shop to a car for safety. You then came back round and started to pick up your medic bag and to go to your car. During this process I ordered Envy to grab you. And just because you are on duty does not mean you are off limits. Medics have been kidnapped on and off Duty on multiple occasions so I feel like the who point of being on duty is useless.

Envy did "cuts EDI's wires" using the machete in this close range animation

To have better our RP like its stated in OOC chat as a announcement every so often, Envy had chosen to do /me to "act out" him cutting your wires. If you watch the clip you can see it is evident that you choose to shut down EDI's system before we can interact with her. To note, Envy was still walking towards you when that happened. He was also preparing his /me while you /die Infront of us.

Again with the G9.4 Rule as stated :

(G9.4) Medics and firefighters can be killed with strong roleplay justification (They refuse to cooperate when they are threatened), but you may not take them hostage

I can assure you I understand the rule, and with that being said just because you are NHS doesn't mean you are untouchable. There was strong roleplay justification, I never said to you that I'm holding you for the fulfillment of a condition. I Asked you some pretty simple questions and informed you of what you just did. I explained you ratted on them and you said "on well". 

If you had instead shot me there and then at the gas station for letting all that happen then you would have absolutely be well within your rights to do so.

That would then be breaking the rule: (G1.2) Random Death Match (RDM) - Attacking another player without engaging in any form of quality roleplay is considered RDM. (eg. Giving enough time for them to comply with your order. “Put your hands up or I will shoot” and countdowns are not considered quality roleplay, please at least attempt to create an interesting roleplay story before considering violence.) - Mass RDM is a permanent ban. - There for the only other option at the time was to Kidnap you and ask you questions. 

And to quote you because for some odd reason it wont let me: every time i state to you about the evident rule break you have made you seem to skirt the point of why i have made this report against you and instead seem to seek out every other thing around this issue to make look like i am the issue.  It personally feels petty and although some points you have made are relevant to context.

Not once did you say in our first chat in Discord did you say that you wanted to discuss a possible rule break, all you did was you disliked how everything went and that you wanted to understand everything from my perspective also. Therefore this whole report feels extremally petty as you was not 100% honest with me from the get go, even when i asked if there something you're looking for here because it seems like you are. I'm not skirting past anything here. If you want to put a report up about someone, post the footage of the full scenario. In your first initial report you skipped over a lot of the points and made it look like there was 0 effort at all, you left out the majority of everything that went down with not a lot of context. Not only that you shared half of the discord messages, with also not sharing the full context of what was said there.

Not to mention you stated that you expected better off of me, when in the evidence we have now provided you can see we tried our best. 
If you wish to gloss over the Rule you think that i have broken, then that is fair enough. But you also was not the greatest in that situation either.
(G1.6) Being In Character - You broke character and told us you will be back in 30mins... but then later turned yourself into dust, so I'm not really sure now that is possible in turn (G5.2) Believable Character Roles - now this one is a hard one to place, you say you are going to be back in 30 mins but the turned yourself into dust, how does that logically make sense?(This one is at a push) Moving on to my next point, while we are trying to RP with you and cut your wires, you shut down and /die. If I'm correct we never physically touched you, if you was shutting down your system you would just not respond to us correct? Shutting down would be like sleep mode, or energy saving mode. So I'm quite confused as to why you /die, with that being said i personally feel you (G1.5) Powergaming - Forcing a scenario where no matter the roleplay of the other party you will win. There is no way you can sit there and say your fate was sealed as soon as we took you. When I did the Kidnapping the day before, I went into that saying they would die... they came out of it alive. I also tend to feel like this is going nowhere as yes you keep pushing your points which is fine but also when we have stated that our experience was also soiled by what you did, all of a sudden we are "making you the issue". That is not the case, if you wish to get a fair evaluation on the situation then explain the full context of not only what we did, but what you also did.          In turn I will no longer be responding to this post, I would much rather wait for a member of staff to come and look at everything, I would like to apologize for the amount that you have had to read and appreciate the staff member that has to deal with this - Kat

 

[Sanguine]

Alas i disagree with your current statements. Again i feel like this is yourself trying to perpetuate this situation further to better your own goals rather than accept the fact you broke a server rule. IF Staff see what i did as a server rule break then so be it i will accept that fact and punishments that follow but again you forced me into a RP situation with a complicated character who has never been taken hostage before as EDI. G5.2 is a far reach if you think i am liable for this . Again i feel this is just you grasping at straws to drag me down with you. 

You can't expect every little thing in your botched kidnap RP to go to your whim.

Im not longer going to entertain this and will await Staff questions or decisions as this is going nowhere. 

 

[Liam]

Locked, pending action.

 

[LiK]

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Please keep checking this report regularly just in case the reviewing staff member has any questions

Thank you for your report and you doing your part to keep our community clean!

 

[LiK]

Alright, I've been going sitting through this for the past 3 hours, going through this with other staff members for opinions, and this is quite an interesting one, so let's through it a point at a time.

A Medic was taken to be "questioned" however, I would not count it as a full "hostage-taking" to begin with as the plan was to "question" and release and not be used otherwise.

The problem arises, as then, the Medic (E.D.I) has been used as a "bargain chip" to trade for a different person, which at this point, is a rule break (G9.4)

Now, however, after having gone through this even further, we have another issue, which brings this whole report to META-GAMING.

Now, I do appreciate you coming forward with us, and saying you were in a discord call with one of the people, I really do! however, the case here is, it means it influenced your RP, and you as a long-standing member of the community should have known better than to not have done so and you should have not joined/watched/spoken with the person on the other side of the RP situation, as in that, wanting it or not - does influence your rp, and at that point changed your opinion quite drastically from the initial "just taking her to ask her a few questions"  to "Kill her"

As a warning Kat, leaving a person that you have taken hostage, blindfolded, and locked in a boot with no RP for a lengthy amount of time is quite unacceptable, you've given them no choice of doing anything and this has also been part of the decision-making.

So, to summarise this whole thing:

You both, Kat and Envy, could have questioned (E.D.I) after taking it, and even killed it provided quality and strong RP. not used it as a hostage to make demands and therefore both will get punished under G9.4 as FBS.

Now, the metagaming part, as you know we have zero tolerance for metagaming, and even putting yourself in a position that might influence your RP from an OOC standpoint is a big NO-NO, you, whilst knowing that, have done it regardless by joining a call and speaking with a person that was part of the whole RP scenario you were part, and by doing so, influenced your own and others roleplay and as such, will be receiving a ban for metagaming G3.1.

As for E.D.I, as a character, you are a "robot" with human emotions/fear and should feel a bit more scared, however, in this case, it was put before you that you will be dying anyways, and I see why a "robot/human" would technically behave this way, however, take this as a warning for yourself as some kind of self-preservation should still apply!

pretty sure that was the intention of the character, to begin with when it was created,  don't forget roleplaying it.

Character name:  Envy Wolf will receive 2-day ban (FBS) for G9.4

Character name: Kat Billingsley will receive a Perm for G3.1 (There is no cooldown on appealing) and a note of G9.4 will be added.

 

[LiK]

Thank you for doing your part in keeping the community clean.

Your report has been approved and action has been taken against the reported player.

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