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Report a player - Johnathan Jones, 70, 221, 223, other unknown players. - GTA RP

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CodyLtd

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Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Kylo MacCaig
Reported Players: Johnathan Jones, 70, 221, 223, other unknown players.
Date: Jul 30, 2024
Time: 19:40
What best describes this incident: G7.1, G1.7, Vending Machine Robbery.
Please (in detail) describe the incident: I was chilling at Pillbox as G6 usually do, when I was met with a firearm and was told to get in the car. I was then taken hostage and taken to the quarry where I was robbed of my gear, I was asked questions I couldnt answer without metagaming, as I would need to check my dispatch menu with no phone or radio. I answered what I could without metagaming as I already knew Blane was awake. I was then let go once they had my items.

Vending machine robberies are never fun, the only eventful thing that happened in this one was that they had to shoot a cougar. The hostage taking rule states that they must be done with very high quality, and a 5 minute chat(excluding driving while nothing happened) where they decided who got what isnt good RP, this is especially bad considering that this is a whitelisted group that is "going out on the rob", with a community leader taking part in some of the most boring RP possible.

I understand that robberies aren't always going to be fun, as specifically losing your stuff isnt fun, but for that specific reason the robbers should try to mitigate the displeasure, or at least have a story line attached, such as rival gangs shit talking during a robbery. I dont mind if I get heated during a situation in game, it will happen, but a robbery that is downright boring is even worse, as it wasnt even good villain RP, it was just bad RP.

After speaking in liaison we were unable to come up with a satisfactory result so I am making this report with the intention of getting back my stuff.
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I don't know why my name is even on this report I wasn't even there, I just sat in on the Liason.
 
It was my understanding this was resolved in QE. I all can really say to this is that the RP on both sides could have been a bit better, you obviously can't hear your own voice in the clip for some reason but you were not exactly "roleplaying" that you'd just been kidnapped either, at one point I even ask you if you are alright whilst driving away, and you said "aye mate just chillin" despite being zip tied at gun point two minutes before hand, even when we got up on top of that hill someone had a shotgun and you did not seem at all in distress. And for us I will admit and put my hands up to it, our RP could have been a lot better as well (It usually is as we do this a lot) we could have interacted with you a lot more that's fine there is always room for improving your RP. When we were in QE talking about this you were constantly talking about how you lost your stuff "G6 don't get free mechanical kits" I think this report has been created because you are frustrated about getting you gear taking from you.

Thanks - Joee
 
It was my understanding this was resolved in QE. I all can really say to this is that the RP on both sides could have been a bit better, you obviously can't hear your own voice in the clip for some reason but you were not exactly "roleplaying" that you'd just been kidnapped either, at one point I even ask you if you are alright whilst driving away, and you said "aye mate just chillin" despite being zip tied at gun point two minutes before hand, even when we got up on top of that hill someone had a shotgun and you did not seem at all in distress. And for us I will admit and put my hands up to it, our RP could have been a lot better as well (It usually is as we do this a lot) we could have interacted with you a lot more that's fine there is always room for improving your RP. When we were in QE talking about this you were constantly talking about how you lost your stuff "G6 don't get free mechanical kits" I think this report has been created because you are frustrated about getting you gear taking from you.

Thanks - Joee
Thanks for your reply, id prefer if you would provide either exact quotes or a clip when referring to my actions, as your paraphrasing is a lot more out of context than id prefer. sadly my obs doesnt record my mic as I have 0 clue how to fix it, but I agree that I was purposefully not acting distressed due to me role playing my character, who isnt distressed during these situations normally. My characters disposition is done with my best ability to roleplay it, if you think the quality wasnt high enough, then ill try to do better in the future.

Also, I very specifically told you that I was going to take it to the forums and that the situation wasnt resolved.

P.S, im pretty sure Johnathan said he was a part of it during the Liasion, as I thought he said "I was the one with the gun", if I was wrong, then sorry about that, but considering you were the one I was talking to the most during it I assumed you were a part of it, if not, then id prefer if you made that clearer in the future that you were not a part of the situation you were discussing.
 
Thanks for your reply, id prefer if you would provide either exact quotes or a clip when referring to my actions, as your paraphrasing is a lot more out of context than id prefer. sadly my obs doesnt record my mic as I have 0 clue how to fix it, but I agree that I was purposefully not acting distressed due to me role playing my character, who isnt distressed during these situations normally. My characters disposition is done with my best ability to roleplay it, if you think the quality wasnt high enough, then ill try to do better in the future.

Also, I very specifically told you that I was going to take it to the forums and that the situation wasnt resolved.

P.S, im pretty sure Johnathan said he was a part of it during the Liasion, as I thought he said "I was the one with the gun", if I was wrong, then sorry about that, but considering you were the one I was talking to the most during it I assumed you were a part of it, if not, then id prefer if you made that clearer in the future that you were not a part of the situation you were discussing.
As a joke, I said I was there in spirit, and that I was the gun. Logs will show that I was not online at the time. I made it clear that I was not there if you didn't want me there I would have left you to it if it was requested from me. But as you didn't say anything I just spoke my mind. I have nothing further to add to this. I just wanted to reply and clear that up.
 
I was also in QE, not apart of the situation but listening in as my friends were in there. I specifically heard you say "Come give me my mechanic kits back or im going to take it to forums so i can get a compensation request".
 
I was also in QE, not apart of the situation but listening in as my friends were in there. I specifically heard you say "Come give me my mechanic kits back or im going to take it to forums so i can get a compensation request".
I appreciate the malicious misquote considering in the video I very clearly had one mechanic kit, so wouldn’t have said that in the first place. But assuming it was just a miss remembering that I said something quite different then I’ll just ask that you refrain from commenting on a report that you were not a part of. Cheers.
 
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I appreciate the malicious misquote considering in the video I very clearly had one mechanic kit, so wouldn’t have said that in the first place.
Your are right this was a misquote but it wasn't far off what you said.


This is the part of the liaison he was referring to unfortunately as well all know from the discord call it was very buggy and kept cutting in and out but you can hear you say "i mean my shit you took my fucking camera and my me-" and it cuts off where i assume you say mechanic kits, Then from speaking to others i believe you said something about giving your shit back or you having to comp request it by reporting it and seeing what staff think.

To me this situation looks like your upset that you lost equipment and are attempting to find reasons to report to try get your stuff back.
 
Your are right this was a misquote but it wasn't far off what you said.


This is the part of the liaison he was referring to unfortunately as well all know from the discord call it was very buggy and kept cutting in and out but you can hear you say "i mean my shit you took my fucking camera and my me-" and it cuts off where i assume you say mechanic kits, Then from speaking to others i believe you said something about giving your shit back or you having to comp request it by reporting it and seeing what staff think.

To me this situation looks like your upset that you lost equipment and are attempting to find reasons to report to try get your stuff back.
I appreciate you using a clip to clear up that misunderstanding, but if you focus on that I was replying to your friend, he asked what I wanted, and I said I want my stuff back. I did offer saying i'm fine with you just returning the stuff, otherwise id have to take it here, we can see how that went.

Yes, I obviously want my stuff back, I dont report with the intention of getting people banned, a fact I have stated multiple times before, especially during a previous robbery like this that I spoke to staff about in a ticket, where I confirmed that vending machine robberies are at the very least frowned upon. The reason I decided to report it this time is you guys took not only my G6 gear, but pretty much pocket wiped me, all the while in the most boring way possible, at least the last time the people tried to make it somewhat fun.

Since you clearly have a recording of the entire liaison, id be happy for you to post it, I refrained from doing so as my obs doesn't record my mic, and it wouldn't make sense to only show your responses out of context. That would help stop any further out of context quotes and allow staff to come up with their own opinion.

i never wanted your things as i said i generally had questions to ask the loot was just a bonus
Your questions were never a significant part of the encounter, considering they amounted to a borderline attempt to get me to metagame who was online which I had to dodge by saying I didn't have the ability to check the dispatch menu while cuffed, while you specifically asked about someone who hasn't been a part of G6 for over a month, and even has a new character in G6.

Also, at 3:30 in my clip you can quite audibly hear you saying dibs on my gear.
 
feel like this report is cause you got pissed off that you got robbed you said countless times in QE that you want us to bring your shit back or your going to report us, the only things you said you wanted back was a mechanical kit, body kit and a camera otherwise your going to report us but we took so much other shit from you so this report feels like you was just gonna do it either way.
Me and micky both asked you something your answer to my one was "she's not been G6 for a while why are you asking for someone that got fired" where i said oh shit how was i supposed to know she's got fired without asking. You state that were asking about someone who hasn't been G6 for a month but you was saying in QE that she wasn't a G6 for 4 months , but you've just said shes on a different char but how are we meant to know if she looks exactly the same, talks the same and is back as a G6. Without asking the questions how would we find out.
To your comment about Metagaming i think you've thrown that far out the boat, we was just simply asking you who was on duty, no one told you to check a tablet and state everyone who was on, you didn't have to tell us anyone we was just asking the questions. And also you wasn't zipped when we was asking you who's on duty
ill admit the roleplay could have been better of both sides all i can do is a apologies for my side of the RP but i wasn't there for the car journey you had only towards the end i was , you also are saying about bad RP but didn't want to provide any to give your self a better time, our chars don't like fed or some G6 so taking yous to rob/or get info out of yous is not something new to us and tbh yous don't give us the easiest time either with RP (not saying just you) but as stated by all of us the RP could of been better from all parties. You also kept stating that G6 and police couldn't be robbed which isn't the case and you should know that since you are playing 1 of them char.

I also don't have any clips from my side as i had a few things going on in my head and my outplayed has been failing captures recently, Thanks Tim
 
I'm going to put out my usual warning regarding reports before this turns into a novel.

Staff have to deal with the contents of the original report as well as any and all replies. From now, only reply if you have additional evidence/context to provide. Think - would providing this change the opinion of the staff member(s) reviewing? If not, then don't post it! If you're unsure, then open a ticket.
 
feel like this report is cause you got pissed off that you got robbed you said countless times in QE that you want us to bring your shit back or your going to report us, the only things you said you wanted back was a mechanical kit, body kit and a camera otherwise your going to report us but we took so much other shit from you so this report feels like you was just gonna do it either way.
Me and micky both asked you something your answer to my one was "she's not been G6 for a while why are you asking for someone that got fired" where i said oh shit how was i supposed to know she's got fired without asking. You state that were asking about someone who hasn't been G6 for a month but you was saying in QE that she wasn't a G6 for 4 months , but you've just said shes on a different char but how are we meant to know if she looks exactly the same, talks the same and is back as a G6. Without asking the questions how would we find out.
To your comment about Metagaming i think you've thrown that far out the boat, we was just simply asking you who was on duty, no one told you to check a tablet and state everyone who was on, you didn't have to tell us anyone we was just asking the questions. And also you wasn't zipped when we was asking you who's on duty
ill admit the roleplay could have been better of both sides all i can do is a apologies for my side of the RP but i wasn't there for the car journey you had only towards the end i was , you also are saying about bad RP but didn't want to provide any to give your self a better time, our chars don't like fed or some G6 so taking yous to rob/or get info out of yous is not something new to us and tbh yous don't give us the easiest time either with RP (not saying just you) but as stated by all of us the RP could of been better from all parties. You also kept stating that G6 and police couldn't be robbed which isn't the case and you should know that since you are playing 1 of them char.

I also don't have any clips from my side as i had a few things going on in my head and my outplayed has been failing captures recently, Thanks Tim
Well, for a start, yeah I made this report with the intention of getting back my mechanic kit, and camera. Both of which I cannot legally obtain on my character, and I dont break the law on him for stuff as simple as that, I dont care about you taking my other stuff, its G6 equipment, I get it for free. As I said in Liaison, I would have been happy to have my stuff returned and this report would have never had to happen.

My point about you asking about Jashley is simply that she hasnt been in G6 for over a month, this is an offhand thought by you about another G6 you might want to rob in particular, but considering you asking that question, which could barely be considered a continuation of a RP storyline considering its been over a month, is your entire arguement that your RP was good, it doesnt really hold up.
If you think that her characters are exactly alike in all aspects, then you should take that up with her, as that seems like a pretty strong accusation of character separation issues.
(dont know exactly how long shes been out of G6 considering im not command, but I believe I stuttered and said for twice, not for 4 months, but thats besides the point.)

My mension of metagaming was minor, as you made the point before about how I wasn't ziptied when you asked for who was on duty, and so I could have been able to do it, yet to be able to check a dispatch menu i would need access to at least something to enable the RP, i.e, a phone, radio, or my car assuming it has a computer inside.

I am fine with having a bad time, getting taken hostage by people who dont like G6 and might take it out on me, is fine. The bad RP is the fact that there was nothing I could have played off of, this was a 5 minute encounter where you debated who got what, then asked me who was online. "G7.1 Taking hostages must be roleplayed to a very high quality". I am not the one that decided to go "out on the rob" or to play it like "GTA not the SIMS", if you are the one taking someone hostage, its not their responsibility to make the RP not shit.
You should have a storyline that leads to a robbery. You could also assume that literally any other person on the server has a gun, as they probably do, just robbing people for the sake of getting a gun isnt good RP. Especially G6 or police, you have just risked life in prison, by robbing a G6 officer at a hospital with security cameras, nevermind the chance that I could have had back up that would have shot you, all for the prize of... a gun that will break in less than 4 hours? If you are roleplaying as a petty criminal that literally cannot comprehend the danger of that, and the fact that the risk is not worth the reward, then I wouldnt expect you to be doing it blacked out as they wouldnt have the intelligence to not get caught, this would allow the potential of continued roleplay. But doing something with that much risk while being a member of a whitelisted faction is simply because you know that in game the crime scene investigation ability of the police isnt like they could do IRL, and your character doesnt care about life in prison, as they are immortal anyway and will either just respawn or get out in 3 hours.

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I'm going to put out my usual warning regarding reports before this turns into a novel.

Staff have to deal with the contents of the original report as well as any and all replies. From now, only reply if you have additional evidence/context to provide. Think - would providing this change the opinion of the staff member(s) reviewing? If not, then don't post it! If you're unsure, then open a ticket.
Apologies the thread updated after I posted my reply. I don't believe there's any more context I could provide without just arguing with people, so ill leave this to staff from now on. Cheers.
 
Hey all,
So let's have a look here. First off, yes, you will get robbed if you put yourself in situations where it's easy sure, but that being said, those things should be carried out with quality RP. In the videos attached i see that more is said about the gear the G6 officer has then is said to him with regards to the kidnapping. There are many other things you could have said to him to make it more enjoyable for him, question him about stuff he may know off the top of his head, about if he knows those G6 for example, even maybe torture him a little bit. You did not do that, instead it looks like you were taking him purely to get his gear and that whole thing with asking for G6 that are about is just a rather bad attempt to have "some" RP to use to defend yourself from claims of not providing quality RP. Obviously no one is expecting you to go up to him at hospital with an essay, but once you have him in a safe area, have some fun, RP a bit more, make it interesting, this is not interesting and not fun for the other side.

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