Report a player - ID 208 - GTA RP

[Kay__]

Server: GTA RP
Your Character Name: Kay Smith
Reported Players: ID 208
Date: Dec 11, 2024
Time: 21:00
What best describes this incident: RDM
Please (in detail) describe the incident: I believe that this following situation was RDM. A member from Vagos stabbed one of our hangabouts so one of us shot him. We picked him up and put him in the boot then took him to the Vagos turf. On the way there we saw a blacked out sultan which we attempted to approach "G check". He did not stop the car and he just drove down to where his people were located. We followed him there and there was open fire on us without any words being exchanged, im certain the person who intially opened fire was ID 208. I'm disappointed in the way this was approached. It could have been dealt with many different ways. Just a simple conversation. There was no need for a gun fight for just following a car. For further information none of us pulled out any weapons upon him for there to even be a threat. I have attached a clip of this roleplay scenario. If you have any further questions or detail please do let me know. I appreciate your time and effort for looking into this report.
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[Macca_0709]

Hope all is well with everyone.

I am the person driving the black Sultan which you attempted to G Check. In the above, you mentioned that there was no threat at all, however, if you can see in the clip you attached you started ramming the car I was driving, whilst you were holding a revolver against the steering wheel. I could quite clearly see that the people who was trying to G check me was Hustlers as you guys were fully in colours. As a gang that we are currently "beefing" in my opinion, if a gang which you are beefing are ramming the vehicle this is always a threat even without the gun being fully on show. We had a meeting planned at the location which I drove into and as you was following me I said on radio shall I bring it down to you guys (meaning Mara) which I did. I don't really see any other way that this situation would have gone other than a shoot out are you saying if I was to pull over the car with Mara and Hustlers present there would be no gun fire? as this seems unlikely to me.

In my opinion in this situation you tried G checking me and then I regrouped with the rest of my gang, who had already been informed I had Hustlers following and they chose to protect their member which given the situation fits into RP 100% as if there is a gang member who's being pressured by an opposing gang, the other group members are definitely going to back them up and protect a fellow member.

 

[misfit6660]

Hello Kay,

In the Wiki it states "Any clips must include 3-5 minutes of unedited footage before the alleged rule break occurs so staff can gain some idea of context and lead-up." but you have provided 1 minute and 17 seconds before the altercation.

I do not believe this to be RDM as you was clearly chasing someone with a gun in your hand (evidence provided below) which means you were anticipating a shoot out. Marabunta and Hustlers have been "beefing" for weeks now and it wouldn't be a surprise to be met with multiple people from a gang you are fighting when you are ramming into someone multiple times.



I really see this as a revenge report as in QE you was just mentioning Jays ban and asked "What is the difference between this and the situation where Jay was banned".
Just to clarify the difference is you spend time before being shot, ramming someone while chasing them down with a gun in your hand. and expected no reaction. Where in that report we were just approached and shot.

The gun in your hand when chasing someone clearly shows your attempt to go out and look for a situation and that is exactly what you got.

Thank you for reading,
Jess

 

[Kay__]

Hi Jess.

Due to my medal limitations I wasn't able to clip the beforehand events in what happened but I can attach someone's POV instead.

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In the Wiki it also states that this doesn't apply to clear cut rulebreaks, which I believe is the case here.

I did have a gun out whilst trying to ascertain who the individual in the sultan was but is out of my control, It's well known that if you pull a weapon out in a car it'll be visible to everyone unless you ADS, in your conveniently added screenshot you're able to see my gun still on the steering wheel. Meaning I hadn't aimed it even after you had let off shots. I was not anticipating a shootout and don't appreciate you claiming I was.

You raise the point that Hustlers and Mara have been beefing for weeks but this is irrelevant, you still need to provide roleplay before discharging your weapon. It's quite well-known between us that we haven't been able to reach an agreement in war rules so we have stuck to the basic server ones.

The reason for us bringing up Jay's report is due to the fact it's similar circumstances and an example that RP needs to take place prior to shooting. I would like to clarify the ramming is quite obviously not intentional and a result of the weather conditions.

 

[Macca_0709]

Hello,

The reason I mention you having a gun out is just for the simple fact that you stated “For further information none of us pulled out any weapons for there to be a threat” so I just wanted that clarified whether you had ADS’s with your weapon or not is irrelevant you did have the weapon drawn. If your weapon is draw your clearly expect some for of reaction as you don’t just leisurely drive around the street with a revolver drawn.

Your saying this could have been handled in multi different ways, could you please explain how this could be achieved so in future we can enhance our roleplay? I don’t see an outcome of this going any other way other than a gunfight which is what I assumed you would want or expected.

Jess merely came out from a posted position to defend his gang member shouted out which you can hear on your clip and carried on with the RP scenario.

You said yourself “should we check it” and mentioned G checking in your clip if you are going to drive around the city G checking clearly you was after some form or reaction or action to take place.

In my opinion you have used this opportunity to report us because we shot first. Whether this is a rule break or not it is up to staff to decide. You asked us to QE which we happily did where you showed a staff the clip and we had a conversation about it and Jess clearly stated that yes it could have been handled a lot better and that there was a lot going off in the moment as in the space of 30 seconds hustler showed up followed by police.

I don’t want to clog up this report and make it harder for staff to read and go through so I will leave this here as my last reply unless staff ask me to comment.

Thank you

 

[misfit6660]

I don't really know what else to say here you was crashing and following my friend with a gun in your hand what is showing aggression you wasn't chasing him to kiss him was you or for a talk like you state. you was chasing him to either hands him or shoot and kill him so this seems like you didn't like the out come of your reactions what brings us here .
if you hadn't of had a gun out crashing into him would have been a different story I would have reacted different but he felt threatened so did i when seeing you come flying around the corner with a gun out with my member in front of you so we reacted on that... I'm going to leave this now as not too much really to say


Thank you for reading

jess.

 

[Kay__]

The further information is irrelevant as at the time you would not have been aware. You are using it to defend your RDM but I believe it had no sway in your choice to open fire. The gun I daily carry and how I brandish it isn't relevant either.

Your saying this could have been handled in multi different ways, could you please explain how this could be achieved so in future we can enhance our roleplay?

Any roleplay would've been nice, at no point did you provide any RP. You didn't identify yourself before we shot, you didn't have visible gang colours and you were on another gangs turf. At no point did you let any of us know who you are or what you're intentions are. All I received was a hardly audible "Yo, Dickheads." Do you yourself class that as high quality RP? Being a Community Leader I would expect a higher standard of roleplay or atleast some sort of interaction.

You said yourself “should we check it” and mentioned G checking in your clip if you are going to drive around the city G checking clearly you was after some form or reaction or action to take place.

You're fully correct, if we're G-checking we expect some form of Roleplay to be provided given it's an RP server, may I ask where you provided this?

Jess clearly stated that yes it could have been handled a lot better and that there was a lot going off in the moment

Why are you asking us how you could've improved the scenario rather than saying 2 words and opening fire. I feel like a lot more could've and should've been done given you are a whitelisted gang. I would also like to point out the fact you have contradicted yourself within the reply. Claiming a lot more could've been then but then also asking us how it could be improved? I believe this is a cheap dig at Jay's report as he asked that multiple times to you lot but you weren't able to produce an answer.

As for your response Jess you're claiming you saw me with the gun but then also claimed there was a lot going off in the moment, so you're wanting me to believe that you were under that much pressure you could see the silhouette of my gun but not provide me with more than 2 words of RP before shooting?

 

[Charles Vane]

Not entirely sure whats going on here. Its very clear that SOMETHING is happening and yes the 3 minute video is required BEFORE the initial shooting which you claim "RDM" although.. nobody died.

So, yes it looked like you rammed that car there on purpose, you probably didn't mean to but the snow does not help. Either way, was pretty hostile with a rev in hand. They would have no clue what was going on either and if they were all set up just down there of course the safe thing to do would be to go down there. This is not to say that shooting someone because they bump into you is acceptable because the lads who did shoot could have deffo said more than they did. But ultimately i dont think much would have changed based off what we can see.

Either way, not sure why this report has even gone up when everyone on your radio seemed fine with the situation when its happening IG. Just keep it in roleplay.

I will not be deeming this specific scenario as RDM.